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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

One party wants to pass a constitutional amendment against gay marriage, if not on the platform, a large percentage of them would like to do so.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

One party wants to pass a constitutional amendment against gay marriage, if not on the platform, a large percentage of them would like to do so.

And you keep telling everyone that you're not affiliated with any party... you were so proud of that claim, too. Is this what changed your mind, special rights for gays?

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ORIGINAL: Sanity
So then, by your logic, if one Gay kills one straight person, no straight people are free either... right? So long as one Lib is intolerant towards one Conservative... we're all prisoners, or slaves, or whatever. According to you.

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ORIGINAL: Archer

Well a quick check of the party platforms shows that NIETHER party wants to make it legal for gay couples to marry.

The Libertarian party was the only party I know of that actually has legalizing gay marriage a plank in their platform. (as of the 2004 Presidential Elections)

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ORIGINAL: Archer

BTW for those who are still behind the power curve of legal decissions already made.

The US Supream Court struck down the anti gay sodomy laws in 2003, the case was Lawrence V Texas.

There is no Sodomy law outlawing homosexuality in the US today that holds any force.

For those behind the power curve of knowing why there are Gay Pride Parades I suggest you do a litle reading about the Stonewall Riots in NYC. They are the reason for the "Pride" Parades to begin with.

Just my opinion but at 7 years old if your kid doesn't know what "gay" is (in age appropriate terms of course) then you are not doing your job. The existance of gay people isn't something you have to protect your child from any more than the existance of people of races and colors different than your own. ( You know mommy and I love each other? Well some men love men that same way and some women love women that way.) Wow that's gonna scar them for life now isn't it? *sarcasm dripping*

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

This is not a hijack, take this thread to it's proper destination !

I have learned alo, and I mean alot. I used to have a touch of homophobia. I knew a couple of "fag basher", that is guy who would beat homosexuals for no other reason than that the were gay. Turn them in to the law ? I wouldn't be here today. And I never participated.

However, at the time I was homophobic. We are talking over twenty years ago here. I have done alot of learning since then, and now I have watched one of the gay bashers take the biggest dildo up the ass I have ever seen.

But long ago I didn't want to shake hands, or in any other way touch a gay Man. As if he had cuties or something. Grown up now I realize how irrational that is. And I have learned alot more. Alot more.

Human nature, he fag bashed because he identified with it, and he hated that in himself. Then he lashed out at the source of the stimuli that caused his internal dilemma. That is what people do before they are grown up. They don't understand themselves and haven't a prayer at understanding others.

You see the dislike the part of them that likes it. That is hard to handle. When I hear Women talk about how lat Men mature I would like to smack them in the head, because it takes them just as long. But I have never met a real Man less than 35 years old, and I fully admit I was not at that age.

Anyway, back to the subject and whatever. So they have bashers in Russia, go figure. Bashers are the reason most gay Men keep themselves fit, and they have put a few bashers down in this country. Good.

I am going to jump right through tolerance, and tell you this. I'll go hug Hunkyboy if he can control himself (lol) on my way to Jillian's to get my chastity belt. He doesn't have cuties, so why not. Jillian was born a he, and there is not much chance she can take all the measurments without touching me. That no longer gives me the creeps.

But we all have to think of others. I really do accept Gays now, I have lost my childish ways, but I don't think they should have parades. I can actually understand the part that is actually normal sensibility. When you got a seven year old who asks "Dad, what does gay mean ?". Will you allow that to force you to lie to your kid ? You see there is a different side to this.

But similarly you don't want a 'straight' parade either, then the kid will just ask "What does straight mean ?". Do you think it would be appropriate to have a BDSM parade ? How about ""Mommy, what does BDSM stand for ?".

This is fucking sex. Hmmmm, think I'll just let that stand. Even the most normal Man and Wife relations are kept from the child until he/she grows. So why do some Gays want to flaunt it so fucking bad they piss people off.

I don't know what else to say. What's next, a Domme's march, a people who like enemas march, or to get mundane, a blowjob march. Get what I am saying. Why have a march ?

Trying to garner new members ? Don't do that, it seems they come that way from the factory.

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Company, be back later.

T

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

One party wants to pass a constitutional amendment against gay marriage, if not on the platform, a large percentage of them would like to do so.

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Shakespeare may also agree......
"The quality of mercy is not strain'd . . .

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We need to separate the marrige ( religious) from the civil union

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

One party wants to pass a constitutional amendment against gay marriage, if not on the platform, a large percentage of them would like to do so.

And you keep telling everyone that you're not affiliated with any party... you were so proud of that claim, too. Is this what changed your mind, special rights for gays?

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ORIGINAL: Sternhand4

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

One party wants to pass a constitutional amendment against gay marriage, if not on the platform, a large percentage of them would like to do so.

Actually a large percentage of people ( not just a party position ) want to ban gay marrige. Everywhere this idea has been presented ( banning gay marrige ) for public referendum it has been passed.

There are a lot of problems with this issue, and the basis is that marrige is a religious concept that was used in a civil function. I am sure that our ancestors could not have concieved the idea that "gay" people would be open or want to be married in a church.

We need to separate the marrige ( religious) from the civil union ( where your rights to things like property division, children etc ) are granted. It would be better to make all couples get a civil union for your rights and leave the religious aspect ( marrige ) to whatever church you attend. If your church allows gay marrige, great have one.
The problem with granting "gays" the right to be married is that then the next step is to sue to force your church to perform your wedding. Even if its not accpted by that faith. We will be trying to force religious institutions to obey civil laws.
As an example of this, look at catholic hospitals, they have been sued to provide birth control to their workers and abortion services. Both of these things are forbidden under church law, but that hasn't stopped them from being sued to provide these services.

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I hadn't realized marriage was a special right.