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Submissive Questionaire - 5/29/2007 2:51:37 AM   
PagerNY


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I recall seeing several questionaires that a master can have a sub fill out, likes, dislikes, have/have not done or willing...a whole lot of stuff. 
Does anyone have a copy or a link to one?  I prefer one in DOC that can be downloaded, that way I can modify or delete items if need be,
Thank you all.
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RE: Submissive Questionaire - 5/29/2007 3:10:27 AM   
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This one is ok:

http://www.bdsm-education.com/checklist.html

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RE: Submissive Questionaire - 5/29/2007 3:19:07 AM   
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Hi Pager,
Before administering such questionnaires I'd like to point out that a large number of submissives views their use as a possible red-flag of the dominant not having the right stuff to find such things out in conversation. You'll get some, or a lot of, negative reactions from submissives you approach with the questionnaire.

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RE: Submissive Questionaire - 5/29/2007 3:22:07 AM   
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I think GS is correct.  Although those lists may seem helpful and, in fact, sometimes are, you may not want to approach a submissive with one until after you've established some sort of rapport. 

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RE: Submissive Questionaire - 5/29/2007 3:28:42 AM   
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Didnt think the op mentioned that he was sending one to a submissive as a first approach?  He may just be after the link, dont you think?

I found this list very interesting when I sat down with my master one evening after we had been together for a month or so - was very enlightening to both of us, and very entertaining too

And also, after 1 year together, we got the list out for a laugh, and discovered some of my "hard limits" that I had ticked on the list were no longer hard limits.  Was great fun to look back on what I wanted/needed then to now.

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RE: Submissive Questionaire - 5/29/2007 4:00:54 AM   
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I'm a big fan of actually talking to someone I'm considering.
If he pulled out a questionaire at any point in our realtionship I'd be out of there so fast.  It loses the human touch.  Plus I hate tests. 
That kind of thing seems so cold and impersonal.  It isn't a job interview.

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RE: Submissive Questionaire - 5/29/2007 4:30:03 AM   
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I prefer my girls to fill out the proper forms and make a written request to be reviewed, critiqued, and approved by me before giving me a blowjob.

If they fail to make me cum, they get written up, the paperwork gets filed, and its taken into consideration during their quarterly performance review.



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RE: Submissive Questionaire - 5/29/2007 4:37:44 AM   
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I have found questionnaires to be completely worthless. The questions are vague, predictable, far too focused on play style/orientation & in all reality they offer no manner of actually learning anything about a person.

Who can say that when someone I don't know marks down something as a 5 that their 5 is going to be anything close to what I would consider my 5 to be?

--- OTK
 
them:  "Oh I really like getting my bum spanked so I'll list that as a 5"

me: "well hey now, they checked this off as a 5 so that means I can beat the holy hell out them & leave marks that will last for the next 3 weeks"

See what I mean....?

These lists seem to be devised as some sort of short cut but often all they really do is side track the conversation down a one way road.

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RE: Submissive Questionaire - 5/29/2007 4:41:27 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: PagerNY

I recall seeing several questionaires that a master can have a sub fill out, likes, dislikes, have/have not done or willing...a whole lot of stuff. 
Does anyone have a copy or a link to one?  I prefer one in DOC that can be downloaded, that way I can modify or delete items if need be,
Thank you all.
Pager.


I would be uncomfortable and turned off on a basic level if it were a new relationship. He doesn't need to know what kinky sex I want/need/like before we know we are compatable, it kinda feels like he would want wank material if asked to fill one out right away.
But.. after a relationship is established it can be fun and a way for me to say things I would normally have a tough time verbalising out of embarrassment. Yikes I feel like I can't spell today.

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RE: Submissive Questionaire - 5/29/2007 4:45:29 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Sinimint

Didnt think the op mentioned that he was sending one to a submissive as a first approach? 


This sends a clear cut message:

"Click this link, fill out the form & send it back to me. I pick you as being someone who I could get kinky with. I don't care about you as a person, other than I found you to be someone local when searching through profiles & so long as you are into the kinky things that I enjoy we can proceed, so hurry up & get that form filled out."
 


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RE: Submissive Questionaire - 5/29/2007 4:58:42 AM   
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I have used lists LIKE that, after geting to know a complete newcomer.  Its almost like a shopping list. I wil let them look at the terms, ask questions about wat they dont understand and see if there are any possible interests or limits.  Only reason I do it with newcomers is because I cant always think of everything theyd want to know and a list makes it simpler. I would never send it to them unless it was to print, look and and bring over later.
For someone who is not a newcomer, the list is almost insulting. This is a list of your likes, and for someoen who already knows enough about the lifestyle to have experienced some of their own, you need to talk to them, not send a survey.  Unless, that is, you are willing to fill one out for them as well.

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RE: Submissive Questionaire - 5/29/2007 5:02:50 AM   
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I actually checked out the check list linked.  WOW. That list is unbelievably detailed.  I have to admit that there are somet higns on there that I don't even know what it is.

Anyway, if someone sent me that list or any list in an initial email, yes, I would be very turned off.  But I believe that when entering into the phase of the relationship where limits are being discussed, a list like this could be very helpful.  I feel like I am always forgetting about something.  Who wants to remember when it is too late?

I think MstrssPassion makes a valid point about the "service" types of things that may be left out.  Another list covering those items could be helpful in that regard.

While I don't think that exchanging lists like this is necessarily creating a positive experience, I think that someone having it handy or looking it over before they begin negotiating limits could be very helpful reminding them of things they may not think of at the moment.

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RE: Submissive Questionaire - 5/29/2007 5:48:48 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Aileen68

I'm a big fan of actually talking to someone I'm considering.
If he pulled out a questionaire at any point in our realtionship I'd be out of there so fast.  It loses the human touch.  Plus I hate tests. 
That kind of thing seems so cold and impersonal.  It isn't a job interview.



The questionnaire is for your safety. Assume that I am gonna do all them in the first 5 minutes......

And you're right, it is not just a job, it's an adventure, but it's a job too.

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RE: Submissive Questionaire - 5/29/2007 6:02:09 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

I prefer my girls to fill out the proper forms and make a written request to be reviewed, critiqued, and approved by me before giving me a blowjob.

If they fail to make me cum, they get written up, the paperwork gets filed, and its taken into consideration during their quarterly performance review.



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RE: Submissive Questionaire - 5/29/2007 6:08:22 AM   
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if i had to fill out a questionaire, it would that the Dom in question has no communication skills.  you cannot read a person's body language off a piece of paper.

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RE: Submissive Questionaire - 5/29/2007 7:26:03 AM   
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I find them mostly useless.

But, I've got a guy I've played with a few times, a guy I really like and am getting to see again at LR.  We want to be able to make the next scene we do really intense and awesome for eachother, so we both filled out the lists with commentary on EACH item, and discussed and will continue to discuss the major points leading up to our scene.

The list itself is mostly useless, but it can be a great springboard.  I often suggest people using them as a third date thing to fill out together and share fantasies and ideas.

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RE: Submissive Questionaire - 5/29/2007 8:02:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: NakedGirlScout

Hi Pager,
Before administering such questionnaires I'd like to point out that a large number of submissives views their use as a possible red-flag of the dominant not having the right stuff to find such things out in conversation. You'll get some, or a lot of, negative reactions from submissives you approach with the questionnaire.
Not using things such as questionnaires is also a great scapegoat. This way you can always go back and say "Oh, thats not what I meant, I actually meant.........", "Oh, I didn't say that at all. Thats not like me." blah, balh, blah. Personally, I feel that if someone can't fill one out, they're most likely full of shit. JMO.  I tend to look over a questionnaire and talk to them about things they have an interests in as well as things they don't.

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RE: Submissive Questionaire - 5/29/2007 8:05:49 AM   
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I have created a play/checklist that is more extensive than most you will find online it also has questions. Email me if you would like a copy. I found the ones online were too boring and left a LOT out, not to mention, they didn't weed out the fakes. In a few days I will have the play/checklist on my lj blog, until then, any one can email me and [polietly] request a copy, please make sure you send an outside email {it is a doc}.


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RE: Submissive Questionaire - 5/29/2007 8:43:09 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: sambamanslilgirl

if i had to fill out a questionaire, it would that the Dom in question has no communication skills. you cannot read a person's body language off a piece of paper.


Wow, what a comment. A Dom should be able to read the subs mind just by watching body language. What about all the newbies who don't know enough to know they should indicate if things are getting too intense for them. What about the subs who don't want to disappoint, and try to hang in there even when they are already past their comfort zone. Whatever happened to communicate, communicate, communicate. A Dom can indeed learn a great deal from the sub's body language, but that is no substitute for real information from them.

I think it also depends on whether one is into scening with friends at a fetish party versus a one on one ongoing relationship. Of course, no-one should be presented with such a list at the first meeting (and again the OP never said that). Nor even the first several meetings.

Once you reach a certain level of comfortableness, and both believe it is a relationship that might be worth pursuing, bringing up such a list is critical to my way of thinking. I have used one with every sub I have had, and never once was it received negatively. Rather, they were encouraged that I cared enough about them to really understand what intrigued them, what scared them, what they would never want to do.

For my list, I don't use a numbering system; rather I ask them to list whether each kink is something they:

already love;
are eager to try;
are uneasy about;
and lastly what they consider their hard limits.

We then discuss her answers, and I tell them what MY hard limits are. Yes, Masters have them, too. If someone just has to have breath control play to get off, we are not right for each other as that is not something I will ever do.

Of course, this document is not set in stone. We all know that as a relationship builds, and trust deepens, very often what was once considered a hard limit doesn't seem so scary anymore. But as a starting point, this is where we are Right Now, it is invaluable.

The newer you are to fetish, the more important such a list is to teach the dominant where to go slowly, where to go more forcefully. Personally, I believe even Doms that have had several subs/slaves should still use such a list. You may have ten years experience, for me it is over 20, but with each new person it is like starting from the beginning. It is a careless Master who thinks he is above needing such things because he is so experienced, i.e. full of himself.

I’m not suggesting that you can’t feel that sense of trust, that belief that you are with the one who will cherish you just the way you desire. But if you could, now with me, I think a big part of that is to have as much detailed information as you can acquire.

Namaste, Sir Dominic

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RE: Submissive Questionaire - 5/29/2007 8:52:40 AM   
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I have never used a questionaire, nor do I have use for one. I would have to agree with both LA and SirDominic though in that for those who are newer, they can be of use in attempting to determine what a person may or may not want to try.

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