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darkinshadows -> .OrganDonationContest. (5/29/2007 5:17:37 PM)

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AMSTERDAM, Netherlands (AP) - A Dutch reality show that claims to be trying to draw attention to a shortage of organ donors said Tuesday it would go ahead with a program in which a terminally ill woman will choose a contestant to receive one of her kidneys.
 



LuckyAlbatross -> RE: .OrganDonationContest. (5/29/2007 5:33:09 PM)

I'm all for organ donation and understand the horrible ethical maze people must go down in order to try and make sure the most good is done (if such a concept even exists) but this is just so exploitative.

On the other hand, we should be able to decide what to do with our body parts, even after we die.



earthycouple -> RE: .OrganDonationContest. (5/29/2007 6:55:29 PM)

I'm very biased regarding donation:  Just do it.  What do you need them for?  You are dead.  Someone else can live.  It is very cut and dry for ME. 

Yes I am fully aware of other peoples' opinions regarding this....religious, family, personal, etc. I simply don't agree is all.

The terrible bitch that I am believes we should outlaw cemetaries and cremate everyone too....so much space saved.



soultoshare -> RE: .OrganDonationContest. (5/29/2007 8:01:53 PM)

pretty much the prevailing opinion in our family is to harvest what they can use, and then burn us and bury us!  Me, just scatter me over either ocean......i love the water......I think most of us in the family are organ donors.......i've also thought about leaving what's left to a medical school...they always need cadavers to practice on.



handlewithcare -> RE: .OrganDonationContest. (5/29/2007 8:25:52 PM)

LA, I agree that the television show is exploitive but it is getting its point across.  People all over the world are talking about it.  More importantly, they are talking about organ donation.

I buried my 10 year old daughter three weeks ago.  She lost her battle with leukemia.  She had undergone a Bone Marrow Transplant and was cancer free for two years.  The leukemia returned.  Her original donor's marrow could not be used again. The race was on for another donor.  We finally found one but her little body was too tired to fight any longer.

I am still shocked that people are so ignorant about organ donation.  Most people that I have spoke with are not aware of the Bone Marrow Transplant process.  People die every single day because we fail to help.  We are too selfish.  We do not want to have someone cut us open or stick a needle in us. 

So, I applaud the show.  I am glad that someone has the guts to take a stand, to speak up.  One person is waking up milions!



slaverosebeauty -> RE: .OrganDonationContest. (5/29/2007 8:33:29 PM)

Thats kinda creepy. I'm a donor, I'm even listed on the CA Donor site; plus on the living donor registery and on the bone marrow registery.

After everything that can be donated that can be donated; I want to be creamated because I don't believe in burial in the ground, its too yucky, I would rather be in an urn someplace where my place cannot be resold to another person, at least if I am in an urn, I have a better chance of NOT being displaced, because I don't take up much room.



dcnovice -> RE: .OrganDonationContest. (5/29/2007 8:41:14 PM)

Thre really frightening thing is that my first reaction, seeing the story on Yahoo! earlier today, was "I need to start a collarme thread about this!"



slaverosebeauty -> RE: .OrganDonationContest. (5/29/2007 8:54:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: handlewithcare
I buried my 10 year old daughter three weeks ago.  She lost her battle with leukemia.  She had undergone a Bone Marrow Transplant and was cancer free for two years.  The leukemia returned.  Her original donor's marrow could not be used again. The race was on for another donor.  We finally found one but her little body was too tired to fight any longer.

I am still shocked that people are so ignorant about organ donation.  Most people that I have spoke with are not aware of the Bone Marrow Transplant process.  People die every single day because we fail to help.  We are too selfish.  We do not want to have someone cut us open or stick a needle in us. 

So, I applaud the show.  I am glad that someone has the guts to take a stand, to speak up.  One person is waking up milions!


I was suppose to donate 2 years ago, the little girl died the day I was leaving to go to UCLA {I was packed and ready to leave, I was just spenind a bit of time with my own son}, her mom called me in tears and said she told the coordinator she wanted to be the one to tell me. I got to know the family, by mutual request, we had had to wait until she was stronger, and it looked good, then, God took her before I could get there; it broke my heart, her parents thanked me for being willing to go down there, I still would have gone to see them, but, it was best I stayed here. I have not been called since, but, when/if that call comes, I will be there.

{{hugs}} handwithcare, some of us DO care.



Real0ne -> RE: .OrganDonationContest. (5/29/2007 9:24:14 PM)

i told my family to roast my azz and drop kick me in the nearest lake



Vendaval -> RE: .OrganDonationContest. (5/30/2007 1:24:04 AM)

I saw a mention of that on the news tonight.  The show is in very poor taste, to say the least.    [&:]



Einzelganger -> RE: .OrganDonationContest. (5/30/2007 9:40:48 AM)

Suddenly I'm reminded of the time Peter Griffin was teaching sunday school to the little kids, lol..."...and when you die, you go to this really wonderful place called heaven."  *kids are all smiling*  "Naah!  I was just yankin' ya!  Ya just rot in the ground, hahahahaha!!"

But the way I see it, if there's something perfectly good that I can't use, I find someone who can use it.  I don't understand why my organs should be any different.

-Einzelgänger



selfbnd411 -> RE: .OrganDonationContest. (5/30/2007 1:06:42 PM)

This is one reason I'm not and will never be a donor:

Police probe death in organ donation case
Authorities investigate allegations that a Kaiser surgeon in San Luis Obispo hastened a possible donor's demise.
By Charles Ornstein and Tracy Weber, Times Staff Writers
February 28, 2007
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According to San Luis Obispo police, Navarro was near death after being found unresponsive at Casa de Vida, a long-term care facility. He was taken to nearby Sierra Vista Regional Medical Center and placed on life support. When it became clear he would not live, his family agreed to allow his organs to be harvested, and transplant surgeons were summoned Feb. 3, 2006.

State law specifies that transplant doctors cannot direct the treatment of potential organ donors before they are declared dead. This restriction is designed, in large part, to assuage concerns that organ retrieval might take priority over patient care.

In this case, however, Roozrokh entered the operating room at Sierra Vista and was directing the administration of drugs to Navarro, the sources said.

When the patient didn't die, Roozrokh allegedly told nurses: "Let's just give him some more candy," according to a person who was briefed on what took place but spoke on condition of anonymity because of the ongoing investigations.
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slaverosebeauty -> RE: .OrganDonationContest. (5/30/2007 2:54:37 PM)

Thats a load of bs. Those stories are always floating around; it happens, sure, but, its a very very small fraction of the time. Thats why you get a living will, etc made up and have in there your wishes, as well as being a donor. Its not that hard. Sheesh. People are a bunch of wimps and self-obsessved. When you die, your organs are wasted if you don't donate them. You don't need them after you are gone, they might as well save as many lives as possible.

If you are scared of donating while you are dead or on the verge of death, then be a living donor or donate bone marrow. Its not that bad. I feel it is our duty to help our fellow man, this is one way.



darkinshadows -> RE: .OrganDonationContest. (5/30/2007 3:02:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: selfbnd411

This is one reason I'm not and will never be a donor:

Police probe death in organ donation case
Authorities investigate allegations that a Kaiser surgeon in San Luis Obispo hastened a possible donor's demise.
By Charles Ornstein and Tracy Weber, Times Staff Writers
February 28, 2007
...
According to San Luis Obispo police, Navarro was near death after being found unresponsive at Casa de Vida, a long-term care facility. He was taken to nearby Sierra Vista Regional Medical Center and placed on life support. When it became clear he would not live, his family agreed to allow his organs to be harvested, and transplant surgeons were summoned Feb. 3, 2006.

State law specifies that transplant doctors cannot direct the treatment of potential organ donors before they are declared dead. This restriction is designed, in large part, to assuage concerns that organ retrieval might take priority over patient care.

In this case, however, Roozrokh entered the operating room at Sierra Vista and was directing the administration of drugs to Navarro, the sources said.

When the patient didn't die, Roozrokh allegedly told nurses: "Let's just give him some more candy," according to a person who was briefed on what took place but spoke on condition of anonymity because of the ongoing investigations.
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That is the silliest thing I have heard in a long time and a terrible excuse.[8|]
You do not have to be dead to donate certain products.
 
Blood, platlets and bone marrow may be uncomfortable, but you do not have to be dead to give them.
Women can donate Cord Blood and placentas.
You can even donate a Kidney.
Tissue donation is another.
And to donate your hair, well, 'nuff said.
 
Peace



maybemaybenot -> RE: .OrganDonationContest. (5/30/2007 5:40:23 PM)

I find the concept of this show appalling. Having three ill people basically publically humiliating, begging and trying to beat the other out of the one kidney up for grabs. On some  psychological level I understand the potential recipients motivation to do this < desparation>, but I have no understanding of why a dying woman would want to exploit threee other dying people. It's like some sick Far Side spoof.

handlewithcare: So very sorry that you lost your child. There is no greater loss a human being can endure, IMO. I agree with you, that there needs to be greater awareness and education, but I do not agree that this is sending any positive message to people. When you have sick and dying people begging on a television show to recieve an organ, it cheapens the whole concept, IMO. And the public votes on who should get the organ ? It reminds me of the Roman Colliseum and the thumbs up or thumbs down when the Christians were being thrown to the lions.

I, like many others here, am an organ donor. They can have anything of mine that a living person can use. I am very vocal about the importance of organ donation to friends and family, and have discussed it with patients many times. It's funny tho, I have kidney disease, and there may come a day I will be told I need a transplant. I made a decision very early into this that I would not accept an organ. I really have no idea why I don't want one. But the idea of it squicks me out and I just don't think I would do it. But one never knows until they are faced with the situation.

                                 



Guilty1974 -> RE: .OrganDonationContest. (5/31/2007 11:20:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

this is just so exploitative.



It depends a litlle on how you see it. What the English article on Yahoo doesn't mention is that the founder of BNN was a kidney patient, who basically retained the look of a child until his death at age 35. A kidney transplant gave him a few very active, happy years. So although it's true that BNN has been running controversial shows about items sex (they even did an item on shibari once) and drugs, they also have somewhat more understandable motives to call for attention to the huge donor shortage we have here. They might have chosen a less controversial way, but this does fit the profile of BNN and could well have been a big prank by its founder had he still been alive.



Rayne58 -> RE: .OrganDonationContest. (6/1/2007 4:27:18 AM)

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ORIGINAL: maybemaybenot

I find the concept of this show appalling. Having three ill people basically publically humiliating, begging and trying to beat the other out of the one kidney up for grabs. On some psychological level I understand the potential recipients motivation to do this < desparation>, but I have no understanding of why a dying woman would want to exploit threee other dying people. It's like some sick Far Side spoof.

handlewithcare: So very sorry that you lost your child. There is no greater loss a human being can endure, IMO. I agree with you, that there needs to be greater awareness and education, but I do not agree that this is sending any positive message to people. When you have sick and dying people begging on a television show to recieve an organ, it cheapens the whole concept, IMO. And the public votes on who should get the organ ? It reminds me of the Roman Colliseum and the thumbs up or thumbs down when the Christians were being thrown to the lions.

I, like many others here, am an organ donor. They can have anything of mine that a living person can use. I am very vocal about the importance of organ donation to friends and family, and have discussed it with patients many times. It's funny tho, I have kidney disease, and there may come a day I will be told I need a transplant. I made a decision very early into this that I would not accept an organ. I really have no idea why I don't want one. But the idea of it squicks me out and I just don't think I would do it. But one never knows until they are faced with the situation.


The chance of Master surviving a kidney transplant with all His other health problems is less than 50%, so we have decided to just carry on with dialysis and hope for the best. However He always said He would not accept a kidney from a living donor, because you never know what may happen down the track with the donor's own family.

We are both donors - Master has said they can take anything they can find from Him even though there may not be that much to give [;)]



Guilty1974 -> RE: .OrganDonationContest. (6/1/2007 4:23:18 PM)

And then it all turns out to be one big hoax :-)

I can't fill you in on the details as I was out tonight, but the donor turned out to be an actress and the potential recipients (who are really sick) were in on the joke. Great prank, especially as BNN has such a history with controversial shows that everybody here believed they really were gonna do this.



MrrPete -> RE: .OrganDonationContest. (6/1/2007 4:41:06 PM)

It's a hoax people.

http://www.shortnews.com/start.cfm?id=62812



minnetar -> RE: .OrganDonationContest. (6/1/2007 4:41:57 PM)

dark,
Thanks for the post.  The woman donating her organ has to be a match for the contestant so have they done studies where all the contestants are compatible?  i do all my anesthesiologists claims for transplants.  It is a subject which is very dear to me and i feel this show in some way makes light of it.

lol by the way, i am donating my body to science.

minnetar



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