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CuriousLord -> RE: Becoming a Master/ Personal Ideas... (5/31/2007 4:47:43 PM)
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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit
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ORIGINAL: SireKane
"I propose everyone act naturally. If, naturally, they guide and such, and give some orders, congrats!, they're a Dom(me). If they naturally demand another follow them, as to be their property, and take control and responsibility, woot!, you're a {Master/Mistress}! If they.. (sub, slave, etc., etc.) "
Well....I agree thats one defintion. Maybe everyone has lowered the bar on this to the point where this is the only politically correct definition.
Note: The quoted quote is actually mine- you typed the wrong name here. :P
It's a bad thing, to be one's self?
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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit
Personally, I havent. I am one of those odd ball people who think this goes past the toys and the relationship into something more.
Do you really feel this is odd for members such as on this board?
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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit
I have some degree of personal character standards I hold myself to and unfortanely, Jimbo the beer bellied one toothed crack smoking slob with the sense of integrity that just barely goes past the bar for the average child molestor who just so happens to convince some naive chick off the Internet to come and stay in his house doesnt qualify.
But do you qualify these to yourself or to your "Master" position? This is to ask, is your personal characteristic standards resultant of your Mastership, or because of your own self-respect and identity?
It's interesting, to consider what it would be like such a wretch as "Jimbo" to be a "Master". I'll admit, it's hard for me to understand such a person. Perhaps I'm making assumptions I don't realize?
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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit
This is just me though. Yes, I do judge, the same way I judge myself and let me assure you I have quite a lot of experience and self development before I feal comfortable with anyone calling me Master.
In fact, I hate the word. I really do. It makes me feal like I am wearing pants three sizes too big.
So, in your words, are you a Master or not? I always thought you said you were, but this sounds like it contradicts it.
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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit
I agree with Archer. I beleive it begins with something inside of you. Call it desire, spiritual calling, an itchy rash, whatever. Certain individuals have it. I've met some of these individuals and when you say the word "Master", they deserve it. I have no idea whether I will ever be one of these individuals and dont really care. I know where I get my fulfillment and know which path has made me into a person I can actually look in the mirror and be proud of.
What do these individuals seem like to you? What sets them apart?
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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit
But this idea that its all about "acting naturally", I dont agree with. Yes, being yourself is what is important, but yourself is constantly changing and growing.
But if yourself naturally changes and grows.. isn't acting naturally implying that you also change and grow?
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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit
I had to learn to be comfortable with the idea of a women carrying all the grocery bags while I had none. I ha
d to learn some of the natural behaviors we develop with visitors to our home and instead let that visitor fix the coffee and tea. As naturally dominant as what we want to claim to be, we're all still socialized to the same extent with the same behaviors....the whole "gentlemen" thing....unless of course we're completely socially dysfunctional and havent learned how to interact with average people successfully. Some of us unfortanely have to unlearn these habits and behaviors that come with being used to being a gentlemen and dealing with vanilla girlfriends and instead train ourselves how to act like a sub or slave.
But...wait...those people are just playing "roles".
Yeah.. the "role" comment was my first thought- letting labels such as "gentleman" and "dominant" influence if you carry the bags or not..? Doesn't that seem like you're making the decision off the play?
Like, for me, I carry bags, no matter what. I love to carry heavy things while I'd normally not be doing anything else anyhow- it's good excerise. (Why be lazy out of the grocery store only to spend your lazy time making up for it at a gym later? I never got that. Like people who park as absolutely close to a store as possible, wasting five minutes driving around a parking lot, only to go on a walk when they get back home.)
A slave wouldn't serve me in taking the bags. I want them. It's not a role where she has to do the mundane things- it's just my decision. To me, that's what dominance is all about. Do you feel differently?
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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit
Wow...I want to know what genes carry the ones that grant someone all the life experience necessary to make good decisions that earn a person's trust. Apparently I missed out on those! Or maybe...its because I am 23 and have many aspects of life to still experience.
Self explanitory, right?
Pretty much. Just think things out. If she's your slave, she does what you say, right?
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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit
Which genes give you all the knowledge necessary to handle every situation and problem that arises in a M/S situation? Oh wait...who needs that? Its super easy! She just does everything I say and we'll have no problems! And if she doesnt, then I kick her to the curve for being a bad slave and disobeying me! Its super easy, guys!
Sure, why not? (Seriously- why not?)
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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit
Which genes...
teach a person how to effectively use corpeal punishment?
You're assuming the need for punishment. For many slaves I've known, telling them that you're disappointed in them worse than any surface pain you can do. And more to the point.
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teach a person how to use different behavior modification techinques to alter behavior?
Always seemed pretty straight forward to me. If there's something that isn't, could you give me an example so that I might see my mistake?
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teach a person how to develop the self control not to have a meltdown and start calling everyone idiots?
Lots and lots of patience. Trust me, it's trying at times.
I'm not sure if "putting up with idiots" is necessary to be a Master, though.
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teach a person how to do laundry, cook, clean, etc so they can turn around and teach a new slave these thing
Well, I know you're going to call me arrogant for this, but, I'm a tutor.. sort of found teaching to be pretty easy, especially to an eager mind such as that of a willing slave. Hell, I've found it pretty easy to teach Differential Equations. Following a cookbook isn't so bad.
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teacg a person how to effectively communicate without causing negative reactions in the majortiy of people?
That's basically just not saying much.
Still, I get that, somewhere down the line, I probably hurt your feelings unintentially. And I get that this probably sounds arrogant to you, as will this: I don't care. I'm not up for the drama stuff. I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings by accident; I really am.. but I haven't said anything mean to you at those times. I think you need to toughen up a bit.
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I really want to know, because I still have yet to hone or completely understand the majority of these skills. I guess I have missed out on some genes.
Is it that hard to teach? I thought you'd have picked it up from your own parents, mentors, and teachers while growing up. It's one of those basic skills kids learn. True, refining it's good, but learning it? You're sort of behind if you can't teach a slave to do the laundary. =/
Anyhow, I love to pick things apart and debate smaller points. I know you sort of basically told me you don't want to, because it just seems like an argument to you. So that's fine. Whatever works. If you change your mind, here it is. (If you do reply- I'd ask you answer the questions thoughtfully. I don't recall asking any saracstic ones this post. This isn't to say that all can be answered well- but none of them are just a mean thing, if this makes any sense.)
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