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myopic eyes of BDSM - 5/30/2007 12:48:20 PM   
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This thread is generated from numerous threads in the Alt. Lifestyles in the News Board. I am not picking on any one thread or person, but a general tone and attitude/belief seen there regarding news cases of Involuntary Servitude. I will quote myself from a thread I posted in this AM during my rant.

I see quite a few threads started about a current news item, in which a woman
< generally> has been held as a slave by a family, a person, a group of people. The headline will say something like " Slave case to begin today" or "Philipino Woman claims she was held as a slave in basement dungeon". And then it begins. Posters seem to get a bit frazzled that the media would actually ise words like
" slave", " dungeon" and " torture" in a negative way. Somehow those words are percieved by some to be owned by the BDSM world and  anyone who uses them outside the context of BDSM is trying to shine an unfavorable light on WIITWD.
I have posted a few times, that these stories are not of a BDSM nature, but of an involutary servitude nature, a few others have said they are human trafficking stories. The response is * yea, but* they are using this story to reflect a negative view of WIITWD. Or, that the " slave" turned on the Master seeking revenge.

Are some people so myopic that they cannot see that there is a world of difference and that the media is reporting news, not trying to take a jab at BDSMers?  Do people not realize that every dungeon is not a play room, or that not every slave has made that choice, or that not all torture is orgasmic in nature?

I work with an anti slavery group, I have for 15 ish years. I have met " slaves" who were threatened, coerced, intimidated and tortured into a slavery role. I was personally involved in one case here in Boston, and was the person who planned the escape with the police to get her free. That was the first Involuntary Servitude case prosecuted and convicted by the Federal Gvt in over 30 years. < I think I have that number correct>. The young woman who was held in slavery and myself  were interviewed extensively by major national media publications and local ones as well. We did a documentary with CNN on Involutary Servitude in the US. In all our exposure and participation with the media, not once was BDSM ever brought into it. Never a question, never an inference, never as much as an odd glance. She and I testified in the case and never a whisper of BDSM by either the prosecution or defense. I still do this type of work, I still attend trials and testify, I still give interviews and speeches on these types of " slavery " , I do Q&A's at the end of my speeches. I can assure you,  no one has ever implied a connection to WIITWD.

If one is sooooooo sensitive to the term " slavery", that they cannot see it beyond WIITWD, then you need a reality check. True slavery exisits in this country and thrives quietly in many many other countries. It is not nice, it is not fun, it is not erotic, it is not a lifestyle choice.

I wish people would try being a little more sensitive to the human plight, than to a term *THEY* use to describe a mutually satisfying relationship. Because other than the headlines that say " Slave or Slavery", there is nothing in these stories remotely connected to BDSM.

Having been involved in this type of work for many years,  I am delighted when I see this type of story make the news. These people are being enslaved and it is well hidden by the enslavers. In most cases, the neighbors, family and friends weren't even aware. Often times, the " slave " is stumbled upon accidently by a stranger who initiates the process to free them. Other times the " slave " subconsciously decides that s/he will take the risk of being killed and run to an authority, becasue their situation is that bad. The case I was personally involved in was not taken seriously by any local or state law officials for three years. Despite very heavy media coverage.

I think instead of pointing fingers at the media and whining that " they are picking on us" it would be much more productive to speak out against the perpetrator of the
" slave". A little human empathy vs self serving indignation.

Some one on this site has a tag line that reads:

There are no victims here, only volunteers. Those are very true words for * us*, but  there is a whole big world out there who didn't voluteer for the gig.

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RE: myopic eyes of BDSM - 5/30/2007 12:49:49 PM   
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It's mistoferin's sigline, I remember it because it's one of my favorites

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RE: myopic eyes of BDSM - 5/30/2007 12:53:18 PM   
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one of mine faves too !

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RE: myopic eyes of BDSM - 5/30/2007 1:09:54 PM   
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"Involuntary Servitude"...that's a perfect phrase. I will be sure to add that to my list of excelent phrases to help explain the difference between abuse and BDSM.


A lot of the time, people are stuck in the shadow of their victim archetype...and hence, everything can be seen as an attack on an innocent party. It's kinda like telling someone they look great today and they start thinking that you are implying they didn't look good yesterday. It happens. Also, people thrive on drama.  Being or owning a slave isn't bad. It's the treatment of a fellow human being that's bad. Unfortunately, the same words are often used to describe the same conditions and we have a lot of negativity on both sides to overcome.

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RE: myopic eyes of BDSM - 5/30/2007 1:10:08 PM   
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the native americans have a saying....turn your face to the sun and you will not see the sahdows...

keep doing the awesome wonderful work you are doing...keep your focus on those brave men women and children that need your help, and dont give a second thought to folks that dont understand...

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RE: myopic eyes of BDSM - 5/30/2007 1:28:02 PM   
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On the other hand, since the world at large has no idea of this jargonistic term that we mean when we say "slave" as in "fully informed consensual slave" versus what everyone else means which is "involuntary often abused person slave" it is inevitable that such reports will have meaning on what we do and how we are perceived at large.

It is important to note that there are a lot of people who do not use the word slave in their relationships because of the historical and overall world usage of the term.

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RE: myopic eyes of BDSM - 5/30/2007 1:35:47 PM   
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so i hear you saying we should give a second thought to folks that dont understand us...and i agree: if you have time to teach them something new great!

but what i was saying to her is dont let their ignorance stymy the work you do in any way...and dont sweat the small stuff.

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RE: myopic eyes of BDSM - 5/30/2007 1:41:08 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

On the other hand, since the world at large has no idea of this jargonistic term that we mean when we say "slave" as in "fully informed consensual slave" versus what everyone else means which is "involuntary often abused person slave" it is inevitable that such reports will have meaning on what we do and how we are perceived at large.

It is important to note that there are a lot of people who do not use the word slave in their relationships because of the historical and overall world usage of the term.


I would like to think so too. LA. But almost all of these cases involve, starvation, death threats, caustic chemical usage, confiscated passports, removal of all identifying documents, as 99 % of these women are from Asia and Indonesia.
That is why I use the term myopic. If one actually reads the acts that these young woman are having to endure at the hands of their captors, it is very plain to see that there was no consent at all. Hell, half the time they don't even speak the same language as their " Masters". So consent is very obviously not there.

You are right the world at large doesn't have any idea what the terms meaning is on this end. And they are not the ones complaining, nor do they see any connection to it. The cries of " foul ball" comes from inside this world.

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RE: myopic eyes of BDSM - 5/30/2007 1:43:47 PM   
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RE: myopic eyes of BDSM - 5/30/2007 1:45:19 PM   
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Cmon, are you REALLY surprised that people in bdsm are myopic?  You do a good rant though.  Very well stated.

And Crouching, that was a FR not a DR.

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RE: myopic eyes of BDSM - 5/30/2007 1:49:21 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: crouchingtigress

the native americans have a saying....turn your face to the sun and you will not see the sahdows...

keep doing the awesome wonderful work you are doing...keep your focus on those brave men women and children that need your help, and dont give a second thought to folks that dont understand...


Thank You, crouchingtigress !
Here is where my frustration comes. There are tons and tons of negative portrayals of BDSM in the news and the media. I lived in "Paddleboro" during that debacle. And when I read WIITWD portrayed in an ugly, evil light it disgusts me and I am one to speak out on it without hesitation.
But I see an element, even a small element who pick out anything they can twist into a " Lifestyle " story to perpetuate the cause, so to speak. As a human being, I don't like seeing innocent victims being held up as examples of this lifestyle. That is * us * using them a second time without their consent, IMO. If what these woman have gone thru is an example of what we are all about, I need to revoke my membership.

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RE: myopic eyes of BDSM - 5/30/2007 1:54:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

Cmon, are you REALLY surprised that people in bdsm are myopic?  You do a good rant though.  Very well stated.

And Crouching, that was a FR not a DR.


No, LA I am not surprised, Where did you read that ?   Because I asked if people were that myopic? It was a rhetorical question.

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RE: myopic eyes of BDSM - 5/30/2007 2:34:20 PM   
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"Involuntary Servitude"...that's a perfect phrase. I will be sure to add that to my list of excelent phrases to help explain the difference between abuse and BDSM.


Those are the words used in the 13th Amendment to the Constitution when slavery was abolished.

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RE: myopic eyes of BDSM - 5/30/2007 3:50:33 PM   
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If one is sooooooo sensitive to the term " slavery", that they cannot see it beyond WIITWD, then you need a reality check. True slavery exisits in this country and thrives quietly in many many other countries. It is not nice, it is not fun, it is not erotic, it is not a lifestyle choice.
It's for this very reason that I don't refer to myself as slave. I feel it makes a mockery of what they've been through. They've been through hell, while I'm having fun and enjoying my life.

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RE: myopic eyes of BDSM - 5/30/2007 5:47:15 PM   
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First off, glad you are here looking out for unwilling slaves...and second, yes Isee where you are coming from in your rant...so many people fel they have to jump to defend their lifestyle choices that they percieve enemies that are simply stating facts...sad really


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RE: myopic eyes of BDSM - 5/30/2007 7:12:13 PM   
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Is everyone being myopic though, or is it perhaps fear that makes them sound off? I think we all know there are some risks involved in this lifestyle that probably aren't anymore than vanilla dating really, but it seems so because we give ourselves over to others. I also think we have all seen enough idiots on here and in the lifestyle who claim to be "All Powerful Doms" and spout off the most inane bs and suggest truly stupid and dangerous practices to wonder when we hear these stories (maybe just the tag lines of slave, made to call them master, made to clean after them and kept in a cage), that we wonder if one of the crazies got someone to actually trust them.

Unfortunately some of the nomenclature and terms are the same and going to be used no matter how much education is out there. Excellent rant btw, and kudos for what you are doing to save some of the least able to save themselves

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