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Hugeharford -> I need a mentor. (5/31/2007 11:21:38 AM)

My wife has experience as a sub and has asked me to become her Dom.  She calls me her Master in training and I am studying my ass off.  THere is so much to learn and I am loving every minute of it.  That said, although I am patient, and the things I am doing are definitly sinking in, I am a visual learner and would be best served by example.  I live in the Los Angeles area and am reaching out for an honest, experienced Dom, man or woman, for their expert guidance.  Thank you to anyone who answers this post.




toservez -> RE: I need a mentor. (5/31/2007 11:36:24 AM)

If you cannot find a mentor and just because anyway, you have the most valuable resource available for you to learn, your own wife is your most valuable asset.

Communicate with her and try things out and see what works for you. Learning by seeing, I will not trash but just remember it is your own path with you and your wife that is most important and be sure not to get lost in this is how it should be done type of teaching.




Mercnbeth -> RE: I need a mentor. (5/31/2007 12:49:11 PM)

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I live in the Los Angeles area and am reaching out for an honest, experienced Dom, man or woman, for their expert guidance.  Thank you to anyone who answers this post.
The easy answer is to meet someone. The best place to do it is as a munch. Go to a few, with or without your wife, and meet people. Don't go in announcing "I need a Mentor". Just chat, talk, get acquainted and when the conversation comes to an appropriate segue, bring up your situation and your request. Maybe set up a time/location to talk directly with more details. Treat the process similarly to searching for a partner. Make sure your needs/wants/goals are compatible with the person you solicit. There are many altruistic people in the community, there are also quite a few frauds and manipulators ready to take advantage of people.

The formal term of "mentor" rings the same to me as any of the other labels within the lifestyle, overused with no agreed upon definition. You'll find many people willing to talk to you and some will not only want to be your "mentor" but insist on it; especially when you disclose you have a wife/sub who may need to be brought it to your "mentoring" program.

Be careful, be clear in what you want, don't compromise yourself or your submissive's safety. If you find someone to talk about these issues with, ask some other people in attendance if they know them and how they feel about them.

LA is a big place. Here's a list of Munch locations, dates/times: Here's a list of Munch locations. Find one near you and try to find someone who is easy to chat with and you can relate to. : http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/UJRcRtX6zBvfcZq7NIEtXmv798hibon4uVu8mqZNaHJZHm-K-jvkdkG5pabMNnibVu3OTIT46ia4TkE5L5HKbW2I0_M_1SE/LocalMunches.pdf
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I am studying my ass off.
Good for you! But its better to develop and rely on your own dogma after you've been exposed to some things rather than someone else's.

Good LUCK!




MasterFireMaam -> RE: I need a mentor. (5/31/2007 12:58:59 PM)

If you're a visual learner, then finding someone online isn't likely to get you the best match. Check out your local community and watch others real time. When you see something you like, approach them after the scene AND aftercare are done. Most people are flattered to be asked to teach. Also, sit down and think about what you REALLY want in a mentoring relationship. Are you looking for someone to simply teach you the physical stuff or are you looking for someone who will also help you foster the relationship and perhaps expose you to some of the spirituality that can come from SM/Ms?

Master Fire




Masque66 -> RE: I need a mentor. (5/31/2007 1:05:29 PM)

*nods* I'm in the same area.  Though you're one-up on me already having an experienced sub.  Learn from her, you never learn better than from your sub's reactions.




new2thisinFL -> RE: I need a mentor. (5/31/2007 6:25:50 PM)

*raises hand*   i need one too....




LordDragoncat -> RE: I need a mentor. (6/2/2007 12:11:54 PM)

I can understand your needs, If I could I would help you out, but as I am in the mid west,  I would not be of much help, with hands on. I do have a vast library of infomation if you wish to have the links.  I will give you a link that will at least help you out a bit. the advice to talk with your wife, is one of the best. whn starting out as you are.  Talk with her, get a feel for likes, dislikes, and such. With her help you may find you will do very well. also have confidents in your self.
http://www.soj.org/rules.html




Valyraen -> RE: I need a mentor. (6/2/2007 1:18:40 PM)

I can completely sympathize, having recently come into this sort of position, myself. One of the biggest helps that you can have is your submissive... I know that I wouldn't be half the dom that I am if it hadn't been for Aqua helping me while I was still adjusting to this new aspect of my life.

That said... it takes a lo-ot of work, not all of it pleasant, to be a dom that you could feel worthy of your submissive. I'm still not at a point where I feel like I can start to relax about it, and Aqua and I have been a 24/7 couple for about a year now.

I'd be more than happy to offer what advice I can, should you be interested.

Valyraen




MadRabbit -> RE: I need a mentor. (6/2/2007 1:22:45 PM)

If it were me, I would go to munches and local communities and try and find someone who has something of a considerable reputation for knowing what they are doing as opposed to trying to find one online.





Evlgryn -> RE: I need a mentor. (6/2/2007 2:48:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Hugeharford

My wife has experience as a sub and has asked me to become her Dom.  She calls me her Master in training and I am studying my ass off.  THere is so much to learn and I am loving every minute of it.  That said, although I am patient, and the things I am doing are definitly sinking in, I am a visual learner and would be best served by example.  I live in the Los Angeles area and am reaching out for an honest, experienced Dom, man or woman, for their expert guidance.  Thank you to anyone who answers this post.


What you have going for you is; you already have a personal and sexual relationship with your prospective sub, your wife.

What you don't have going for you is all the baggage of your mundane and unsexy complicated relationship with your wife.

There are many books you can read, and things you can explore here on forums that will tell you about DS play. But I would, state  your most difficult task is to create a cue that will tell your wife, that for the next hour or so, she will be your submissive slut, not the life partner with the shared roll she has the other 24 hrs.

I would fall back on props...I used to gag my submissive, and keep her gagged and seminaked all the time I was there. There is a great deal of communication that can flow from the eyes of a woman, gagged and cooking dinner.

Your first mission in claiming dominance is to establish  a trigger. Some sequence of events that happens before you play. The ritual can be anything from setting out the toys to advanced tasks like flogging herself into a frenzy, whatever works for you. You intention is to establish a cue to trigger an almost pavlovian response in your woman that says..."here it comes....my dominant is going to use me".  The ritual is the point where you step beyond the threshold of your vanilla life and into your BDSM life. There are a million devices in online catalogs, and a million more actions a woman can do without any props to choose from.

Then, to the pursuit of pleasure. Gag her. Cuff her. Watch her naked body wriggle. Listen for cues, catches in her breath,a crimson flush to her throat. Slip two fingers into her and check for wetness...don't ask permission. Use the dom voice. But most important....deliver!! Bind her and blindfold her and have her tell you her fantasies... Beware of telling true stories, sometimes there will be too much baggage to handle.  Set her a task to write up her fondest fantasy with a fountain pen on parchment paper and deliver it to you wrapped in a red bow. Find whatever turns her little subby heart to butter and get good at it. My slave of nearly a decade called during my writing of this and adds that you need to hear the story of her former subby experiences, and you need to hear them in a "non judgemental way". As  a guy I approach such things a little more gingerly, a little at a time. As you have chosen this woman to be the mother of your children, there may be things in her past you don't want to hear. But I have put both sides in this paragraph so you can choose for yourself, now back to our regular programming.


The ritual, the signal whether it be to have her put her cuffs on , or gag in,  plug in, or blindfold on...starts as one small stimulation.

You need to build onto that stimulation by coming through with repeated memorable times in sub space....to the point where all you need to do is voice the words "get your cuffs" and her heartbeat will start to dance. Don't use the cue and not deliver...You will have to dedicate time in your week to just playing with your woman, and no phones to answer.  The first dirty little secret about BDSM, this thing that we do, is that whatever fetishy even trivial thing we do during this time, it is intimate time spent with attention on your partner. Want to turn a vanilla woman kinky? Tell her you plan to spend an hour and a half intimately concentrating on her body this evening. Compare that to the 7 minutes twice a week national average and you will have an instant convert.

Have fun....all her pleasures will not be your pleasures, but with a little imagination and willingness to meet halfway you can coopt many of her fantasies. For your part demand a few of your own fantasies who is dominant anyway? Second dirty little secret about the world of BDSM: none of us feel ( or look ) dominant all the time....I have heard from many doms who lounge in unflattering poses or do a silly little dance once the sub is blindfolded and can't tell anyway. Everybody needs to scratch their ass sometime. I once had a friendly subby orgasming  tied to a table in a darkened room so long and so hard that I had time to eat two slices of pizza and drink a can of coke while she kept going on her own with no end in sight. No vibrators no fingers..nothing. That was a memorable night.


Third dirty little secret of bdsm relates to claiming a female submissive it is that a woman can be intimidatingly tough. As long as it is part of the game...and the pain stays below the tolerable threshold they can take a lot. Warm up to it slowly get her heart beating, anticipating. Work up from a small stimulus, lets say a spanking, and with good timing you will be amazed at what she will take and ask for more. Word of caution....a little fear and pain is an aphrodisiac (how little depends on the woman). Panic, is a pleasure killer, and too much pain is like a  bucket of cold water thrown on your carefully developed scene. Keep it like a symphony rolling to crescendo. Warm up and cool down. And when you have enjoyed using your woman like a farm animal for an hour or two , all the while hearing  her ask beg for more (if she is gagged, looking into her eyes while she emplores you for more), remember this is a strong stimulation, a real physical workout. It can be too much.  She will eventually need time to rest and recoup.  Tuck a comfy blanket around her, give her a sip of water. When you are playing hard a submissive can even start "teeth chattering" and going into shock. Treat her like you want her to be around for a long time.  So you can do this over and over.

The way I see it, you are halfway there. The woman is already yours. All you have to do is manage both your  time and energy, while you develop your domly skills.  Remember, whenever and wherever the scene starts that is when the foreplay counts from. Be patient, you have to earn this one....but there will come a time when you tell your submissive to put in her anal plug and get into bed naked and you will be home in a half hour...and all that half hour she will be steeming and thinking of you and what is to come. When you get home, your job will be half done. All that remains is to claim the benefits.

Hope that is of help. Of course getting out and watching other dominants do their things is best. Do you have DS clubs where you are?





aldompdx -> RE: I need a mentor. (6/3/2007 12:15:27 AM)

Dom or Master in training? This tends to indicate the degree and extent of surrender, which she wants met with the opposite polarity. You need to get clear on how polarized of an interaction is available, and then do some inner work to find how to manifest that polarization which is already within you.

You do not say in what areas you seek training. Generally, you will need to find a deeper level of control within yourself, in order to take your partner to a new level of surrender. But there are infinitely different manifestation of the dynamic, and you need to be as specific as possible about what you want to learn.




marsman -> RE: I need a mentor. (6/3/2007 11:44:39 AM)

One good way to learn to be a Dom is to go take classes, observe and play at public dungeons.

caryl's Page has a good listing of resources in Southern California.




Celeste43 -> RE: I need a mentor. (6/3/2007 1:49:22 PM)

I'm not sure what you want to learn. If it's techniques, how best to swing a flogger, how to use a cane, where not to hit, that's s&m and you can take workshops.

Control isn't something you can watch simply because your preferred things to control will be different than every one else. Do you want to order her about every possible action, requiring her to call and ask permission to go to the bathroom, eat lunch, go to the grocery store, buy you a birthday present? Or are you more relaxed and want only to pick out that day's clothing and dinner? Both are dominant ways to be, but what makes you dominant is that you decide which one you want to do and then you do it.

Plus you have to decide how you will handle things that aren't done. Will you listen to an explanation of why she didn't wear the red panties when she discovered they were waiting to be washed or will you punish her anyway? Demand chicken sorrentino for dinner and there weren't any good eggplant, how will you handle it. Do you demand absolute obedience no matter what? When no matter what can include sick offspring, car accidents, required overtime at work, death in the family? Do you propose to order her not to do as her boss says and yet you know you still need the second income?

True dominance doesn't just mean the kneeling and naked fun stuff. It means taking control of the problems as well and handling them in a way that makes her want to hand them over to you. So you taking control of the finances when you frequently bounce checks isn't a good idea. Basically you lead by example.




Hugeharford -> RE: I need a mentor. (6/4/2007 9:41:54 PM)

Thanks to all who have sent advice.  I think that in the short time that has passed since I threw out that request for a mentor, I have realized what some of you have advised, my wife (sub to be) is my best ally and source of information.  She has opened up just enough and at very opportune times.  She has started a journal which is a major help.  We are trying to discover that balance of family and when is the appropriate time and what are the appropriate situations for me to practice my dominance, and for her to be in the role of Sub, or mother or wife.  I realize more than anything, no one can tell us what the right or wrong way is to go about this, we have to discover that for ourselves.  It is afterall our relationship and our life.  That said, I love getting advice on techniques and where to find good sources of information.  I think right now I am most interested in finding my Dom "Voice" the one which will make my wife slip instantly into her submissive self.  I am sure that in time and with practice I will have that voice down, but for now, I do enjoy learning and possibly gaining insight that will help me work towards my own perfection.  Thanks again to all.




Evlgryn -> RE: I need a mentor. (6/5/2007 11:37:50 AM)

We have all heard the dom voice.
Repeat after me in a loud and threatening tone;
"DON'T MAKE ME STOP THIS CAR!!!"






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