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SweetDommes -> RE: Male Inferiority (5/28/2005 10:19:22 AM)

I don't have the problem at lit - mostly because ShadowsDream and we (along with a few others who, sadly, don't post often anymore) have kept the FemDom spirit going.




k8 -> RE: Male Inferiority (5/28/2005 11:23:49 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Faramir
I do actually [:)]
Seriously though, have you heard that articulated as a D/s framework at b.com?


Yes, I have seen it specifically articulated, and the attitude is there in general as well.

SweetDommes and Akasha have nailed it in their responses.




Faramir -> RE: Male Inferiority (5/28/2005 12:34:30 PM)

AAkash, Sweet, and k8,

thank you so much for the thoughtful replies.

1) I haven't seen what you are talking about, but I will take your word for it. I don't have comprehensive insight into b.com's posts by any means. Certainly as well we notice things where out interests lie - I just may never have noticed.

2) I agree that the forums there are very hetero-male dom. There are femdoms, some of them like MistressMiranda and TrainerC who post a lot, and post thoughtfully, but there are a buttload more male doms for sure.

Anyway, while this thread meandered a good bit, I feel like I have a tiny bit more insight into this little slice of D/s - thanks.




QnofH3arts -> RE: Male Inferiority (5/30/2005 1:56:23 PM)

This time my post is NOT "tongue-in-cheek" but very serious.

Faramir, I appreciate your thoughtfulness regarding this subject as well as many others where I have read your posts.

If only we were all independently wealthy and could sit around for days on end communicating with others and researching the whys and wherefors of not only this lifestyle, but life in general. I own a business, work more than full-time and attend college. My major is Psychology with a minor in English. I rarely have time to post all of the thoughts I have regarding the different subjects on these message boards, but the reading does always serve some purpose for me and that purpose usually manifests in the shape of personal growth.

Faramir, your idea of female supremacy as a "gateway" for alpha males to express their submissive sexual nature is probably right on target. And Akasha, I do not think that I stated in my original post that these male submissives, these alpha type personalities were "high-powered execs, ceos, lawyers, doctors", but rather that they were employed in positions of high responsibility. I am not a pro and I have stated my opinions on professional dominance elsewhere on these boards. But, it is still my experience, and it may be the specific qualities that I seek in a man, that has exposed me to the type of submissive male I've described above. I have even had it expressed to me that many of these men sought the accomplishments in their education and careers to offset their feelings of submission, which they originally believed to be a weakness. Perhaps they still need that gateway for it to be "okay" for them to express that part of themselves.

I do not believe that submission or dominance is a result of education or career choices or myriad other adult experiences. My jury is still out on whether I believe it to be genetics, upbringing or societal influence. Psychology is a fascinating field and the many possible reasons for exhibiting dominance or submission are as varied as there are humans who exhibit it.

Only recently have I delved into my own psychological reasons for enjoying the female supremacy "roleplay." I am, by nature, not just a mother/nurturer/teacher, but also a "giver". From my own experience, I understand that a lot of a submissive's fulfillment comes from meeting the needs, wants, desires and demands of another. So, in assuming the role of Female Supremacist, I am much more likely to be selfish in my demands and less concerned about the wants of the submissive, thereby being more likely to fulfill that submissive's need. Dissect that one.




AAkasha -> RE: Male Inferiority (5/30/2005 2:06:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: QnofH3arts


Only recently have I delved into my own psychological reasons for enjoying the female supremacy "roleplay." I am, by nature, not just a mother/nurturer/teacher, but also a "giver". From my own experience, I understand that a lot of a submissive's fulfillment comes from meeting the needs, wants, desires and demands of another. So, in assuming the role of Female Supremacist, I am much more likely to be selfish in my demands and less concerned about the wants of the submissive, thereby being more likely to fulfill that submissive's need. Dissect that one.


There is nothing about my femdom "roleplay" that is about behaving in a way that satisfies the needs of the submissive. I am selfish in my demands when I "play" because I want my needs met -- and I have specific, fetish-driven, sensual-drive *needs* that are core to who I am. I need to get them met whether I am dominating a submissive, or someone who does not have a kinky bone in his body.

However, my personality outside of playtime is compassionate, giving, nurturing -- all of those things you mention. But clearly for me, my dominance "roleplay" is not an extension of that when I am dominating. If anything, it's an escape from that. However, I don't think that's the prime motivation. I am not selfish when I play because I know that's what he wants; I'm selfish when I play because that's what *I* want.

For whatever reason, I have a little beast inside of me that absolutely gets off on making a man submit to me. I have no problem "pushing his buttons" or "satisfying his needs" as a submissive so long as my needs come first, and I am the one driving the car. I ultimately use his desires/fantasies to get what I want.

Ironically, this selfish, "I want what I want, your submission is FOR ME" seems to be what submissive men want (rather than a woman going along with it just to satisfy his needs), but in his fantasy, she is *still* doing all the things he wants done. It's just that she happens to want the same things.

There are things I want that he may never want. But when he does it, and sees how hot it makes me, suddenly it's very worthwhile.

At least, that's how I'm wired. I know lots of femdoms that are different.

Akasha




QnofH3arts -> RE: Male Inferiority (5/30/2005 4:50:35 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: AAkasha
There is nothing about my femdom "roleplay" that is about behaving in a way that satisfies the needs of the submissive. I am selfish in my demands when I "play" because I want my needs met....

.... I am not selfish when I play because I know that's what he wants; I'm selfish when I play because that's what *I* want...

...Ironically, this selfish, "I want what I want, your submission is FOR ME" seems to be what submissive men want ...



We come from two entirely different worlds of thought. The men that I meet have no interest in women who think "it's all about ME."

I prefer to engage in relationships where the needs of both partners are stated as equally important.

I think, in the end, even given the different psychological dynamics of myself and the men with whom I engage and Akasha and the men with whom she engages, the result is still the same. Everyone is happy and satisfied.

Like I said before, "Psychology is a fascinating field and the many possible reasons for exhibiting dominance or submission are as varied as there are humans who exhibit it."




AAkasha -> RE: Male Inferiority (5/30/2005 5:03:43 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: QnofH3arts


quote:

ORIGINAL: AAkasha
There is nothing about my femdom "roleplay" that is about behaving in a way that satisfies the needs of the submissive. I am selfish in my demands when I "play" because I want my needs met....

.... I am not selfish when I play because I know that's what he wants; I'm selfish when I play because that's what *I* want...

...Ironically, this selfish, "I want what I want, your submission is FOR ME" seems to be what submissive men want ...



We come from two entirely different worlds of thought. The men that I meet have no interest in women who think "it's all about ME."

I prefer to engage in relationships where the needs of both partners are stated as equally important.

I think, in the end, even given the different psychological dynamics of myself and the men with whom I engage and Akasha and the men with whom she engages, the result is still the same. Everyone is happy and satisfied.

Like I said before, "Psychology is a fascinating field and the many possible reasons for exhibiting dominance or submission are as varied as there are humans who exhibit it."


It's important that I clarify:

I also engage in relationships where the needs of both partners are stated as equally important. I have a pretty much 100% balanced relationship regarding power, sex, social life, decisions and finance.

However, when it's time for me to "be femdom" (whether it be for 10 minutes or 2 days over a weekend -- although most of the times is an hour or two or three) -- then it's *all about me*. In that context, I'm putting my needs above his, and he understands that, but he knows he is not going to be neglected.

Outside of that time, I spoil my partner rotten.

Akasha




Faramir -> RE: Male Inferiority (5/30/2005 8:17:19 PM)

One thing I try and keep in mind is that I select my own sample.

In one sense I am enormously expereinced in D/s - in another I'm not because I only get to see up close those women who are on the same track as me, have a basically similiar D/s model as I do. I skew my own sample.

Each of us sees our little slice of the D/s pie, and I think we have trouble sometimes communicating because something we see so clearly is really only clear for our D/s pieslice.




sarbonn -> RE: Male Inferiority (5/30/2005 9:40:40 PM)

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However, when it's time for me to "be femdom" (whether it be for 10 minutes or 2 days over a weekend -- although most of the times is an hour or two or three) -- then it's *all about me*. In that context, I'm putting my needs above his, and he understands that, but he knows he is not going to be neglected.

Outside of that time, I spoil my partner rotten.


For some, specifically me, the previous sentence is how to spoil me rotten (not outside of the time).

I always find male inferiority and female supremacy very interesting topics because I'm on the record as being a strong advocate of both activities, yet quite often I'm addressed from extremist viewpoints and then forced into conversations where I have to defend absolutes that I have never spoke about.

For me, what Akasha describes here, and what she has described many, many times in the past (not necessarily just here in this set of boards, but over a period of a number of years where I have followed the evolution of her commentaries) is exactly what I have always found to be something I would seek. Unfortunately, I've never really been able to achieve the type of activity that she indulges in, but at least I can take some comfort in knowing that someone down the line has benefited from the types of activities that she purports as the type in which she partakes. And that, in itself, is pretty cool.

I have been a member of a number of organizations and groups that advocate really extremist, dogmatic viewpoints in the concept of female supremacy and superiority, and being someone who has bought into this lifestyle from that perspective, it is somewhat of a humorous observation that most often when one tries to achieve such a status within greater group communities, such activities tend to usually fail. I was once a member of a commune type of group that put forth the belief of female supremacy where males were treated on multiple submissive levels, but the group fell apart because the women in charge began bickering amongst themselves until they gutted the group and splintered it into about ten other groups that all died their own silent deaths. I have been involved with women who have claimed to be female supremacists, and it sounded great until the relationship actually became serious and then they revealed they were really good at talking about it, but weren't actually all that interested in pursuing it for long term reality. Other times, it has sounded so great, only for one to finally realize that you were turning yourself over to a toxic individual who could talk the talk and play very well until it became serious, and then suddenly the toxicity started to rise up in levels.

For me, I don't feel I'm inferior in any way. But in a one on one relationship, I feel more comfortable in becoming the inferior in the power struggle, which quite often is misinterpreted by the one wayism that exists in this area of the demographic. I place women on a higher level than myself, but only the women to whom I feel out and believe I would be comfortable being in an inferior position to them for a long term relationship.

Quite often, someone from my perspective is interpreted by one wayists (who make great critics more than great participators) as weak, boring and too easy in a relationship. We're treated this way because it is easier to make this claim without actually ever involving oneself in what we actually are. I have a great sense of humor, a wonderful personality, and I can sometimes be a very hard slave to completely tame to a particular woman's directive. But once that struggle has been broken through, I make a great slave because I take great pleasure in pursuing the pleasure of the woman who has enslaved me. People like me are vibrant, strong personalities that completely participate with 100 percent energy, yet those who know nothing about us tend to think we're doormats because they know nothing about us and it's so much easier to stereotype a group of individuals than to actually get to know them.

I have always been a fan of Akasha's way of thinking, even if she tends to criticize me almost every time I post. One day, I hope to find someone like her as both ends of that bridge have been burned down a very long time ago.




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