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RE: Are Black Americans Concerned at all about Illegals? - 6/1/2007 1:54:41 PM   
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RE: Are Black Americans Concerned at all about Illegals? - 6/1/2007 4:30:22 PM   
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I was driving by a school construction (a major repair job) project today. This is a government project which means among other things a higher scale. It dawned on me that just about everyone I saw was Hispanic, in fact there were no African Americans at all and I thought, in this city, with the political clout of the Black community here, how can a schools project's contractor not be hiring African Americans?


WTF???

Davis Bacon (The federal jobs program you refer to) wasn't set aside for black people...

It was set aside for those who didn't have...and for those who might have more (by virtue).

WTF????

This comment (the previous) is all about people who don't have a fucking clue...but wish that some fucking social program will take care of those who YOU wish you had taken care of by virtue of your lack of social consciousness.

Stop worrying about fucking black people.

Truly...they wish you would.

Honest to God...if you asked them they'd tell you..."Seriously...all you white people....quit fucking worrying about us"....

Gawwwwwd.....all you white folks....we've (you've) spent the last 30 years worrying about how the world is fucked up based on how you've treated black people....and in the meantime....every other race has jumped ahead in the "I've been fucked over" gig.

They've fucked up their own gig.  We've fucked up our own gig.

It's about fucking time we all started thinking about how we can start fixing our own gig...White, Black, Latino, Asian....

It's about time we started thinking about how we can fix the shit we're all dealing with...instead of worrying about how we can fix the shit that should have been fixed by our own people....and how we can fix the shit that no one but ourselves has fucked up.

(Just my 3 cents).


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RE: Are Black Americans Concerned at all about Illegals? - 6/1/2007 4:34:31 PM   
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RE: Are Black Americans Concerned at all about Illegals? - 6/1/2007 4:37:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		It would be interesting to hear Tom Joyner and Tavis Smiley's take on the subject.  i would think a bigger concern was that the illegals are becoming a greater minority than blacks.  i would think that would make them concerned as it would lessen their power to influence matters.

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RE: Are Black Americans Concerned at all about Illegals? - 6/1/2007 5:01:16 PM   
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It would be interesting to hear Tom Joyner and Tavis Smiley's take on the subject.  i would think a bigger concern was that the illegals are becoming a greater minority than blacks.  i would think that would make them concerned as it would lessen their power to influence matters.

minnetar


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RE: Are Black Americans Concerned at all about Illegals? - 6/1/2007 5:02:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: minnetar

It would be interesting to hear Tom Joyner and Tavis Smiley's take on the subject.  i would think a bigger concern was that the illegals are becoming a greater minority than blacks.  i would think that would make them concerned as it would lessen their power to influence matters.

minnetar


The sad thing is that if the illegals realized that America works on the supply and demand principal (unfortunately that would require they earn about OUR culture), they would understand that the more of them  (illegals) the less value they have and they will be no better off here. 

They are breeding nothing more than a slave race and in the doing making the whites the minority in which we will benefit from the programs we set up for minorities.  Actually, we  (good'ol whities) deserve a break.

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RE: Are Balck Americans Concerned at all about Illegals? - 6/1/2007 5:24:33 PM   
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RE: Are Black Americans Concerned at all about Illegals? - 6/1/2007 5:27:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Griswold

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ORIGINAL: minnetar

It would be interesting to hear Tom Joyner and Tavis Smiley's take on the subject.  i would think a bigger concern was that the illegals are becoming a greater minority than blacks.  i would think that would make them concerned as it would lessen their power to influence matters.

minnetar


Tavis Smiley has sold Coca Cola for 10 years.


i apologize what is that supposed to mean?

minnetar

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RE: Are Balck Americans Concerned at all about Illegals? - 6/1/2007 5:32:45 PM   
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Why were there not any white folks working at the site?....Maybe the Hispanics were the only ones willing to do the job.


This may just be me, and I could be wrong, but is it really appropriate to classify the entire socio-economic-racial structure of the United States based on the individuals working at a construction site a person drove by?

I work at a place.  The socio-economic and racial structure is as follows:

1/4 of the people I work with in the harbor are black.  1/4 of the other people are white, predominantly from eastern Europe.  1/4 of the people are Hispanic.  There is some cross over between the three groups.

Asians are completely underrepresented, except for a few Samoans and Pacific Islanders.

I dont think any are illegal immigrants since they have to provide a high school diploma, a driver's license, and a social security card to get a job there.

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RE: Are Balck Americans Concerned at all about Illegals? - 6/1/2007 5:40:57 PM   
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Luckily for all you concerned white guys... the 'construction' racket here in New York is still 90% run by the mob.  My cousin Rocco, he's in construction.... er when he is not breaking knee caps and such...



the construction racket here is how well you can grease the palm of da Mayor of Chicago - it's all about who has the best connections to Daley ...and please remember we're a union town too - so you better hire one of their own.


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RE: Are Black Americans Concerned at all about Illegals? - 6/1/2007 5:48:01 PM   
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lemme take a guess at this one.

being that blacks were FORCED as slaves and  kidnapped from Africa; and toiled in cotton fields- and were whipped and sold like property. being that backs were 3/5 of vote. if i were black- ild say- hey look- I paid my dues! get to the back of the line for your piece of pie.

ALSO- in the 80s- the govt was repaving the Dan Ryan expressway. this freeway cuts thru many black neighborhoods. the black leadership insisted on minority owned businesses getting a fair share of the pie. not just the grunt worker.  they had even threated to clog that freeway- to en masse drive 5 mph- to purposely make the point- that hey- you driving thru OUR neighborhood.
the proposed 'compromise" was window dressing.....

someone back me up on this pls...


The 3/5 rule is often misunderstood and taken out of context.  Congress members are given to states on the basis of population.  For the purposes of counting population to assign congressmembers, each slave was counted as 3/5 of a person; however, this was a rule created by the ANTI-slavery movement to limit the amount of representation that slave owners and slave states had in congress.  Counting slaves as full members of the population for this purpose would have resulted in increased political power for slave owners and the states that tolerated them.

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RE: Are Black Americans Concerned at all about Illegals? - 6/1/2007 5:55:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Among African American political and socio-political writers/professors/scholars/spokespeople/etc, this is a divisive issue.  On one hand are (almost exclusively liberal) commentators who believe that the general African American position should be to band with all generally disadvantaged groups, and thus have solidarity with illegal immigrants; on the other hand are (mostly but not entirely conservative) commentators who believe that as a generally economically disadvantaged group, African Americans are hurt more than most groups by the influx of mostly unskilled labor, often paid under the table, that goes along with illegal immigration, and that as legal residents, African Americans should oppose illegal immigration and the policies that encourage and reward it.  There's not really a general consensus.

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RE: Are Black Americans Concerned at all about Illegals? - 6/1/2007 6:05:38 PM   
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there has to be better answeres.

the "man" criminalized, non whites drug of choice- even fed LA crack to fund the nicaauga war in the 80s.

ild say- anyone who is in the bottom 80%, economic latter is being shorted.

did you file papers on your imported nanny?? 

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RE: Are Black Americans Concerned at all about Illegals? - 6/1/2007 6:08:13 PM   
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What difference does it make about the percentage of black men who are incarcerated?  To me that is nothing more than inflammatory and doesn't address the question.

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RE: Are Black Americans Concerned at all about Illegals? - 6/1/2007 6:22:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: minnetar

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ORIGINAL: Griswold

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ORIGINAL: minnetar

It would be interesting to hear Tom Joyner and Tavis Smiley's take on the subject.  i would think a bigger concern was that the illegals are becoming a greater minority than blacks.  i would think that would make them concerned as it would lessen their power to influence matters.

minnetar


Tavis Smiley has sold Coca Cola for 10 years.


i apologize what is that supposed to mean?

minnetar



Tavis Smiley...the Black Folks "Saviour" has been selling the game for 10 years.

He's got his gig all figured out.

He just looks black.

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RE: Are Black Americans Concerned at all about Illegals? - 6/1/2007 6:27:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: minnetar

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ORIGINAL: Griswold

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ORIGINAL: minnetar

It would be interesting to hear Tom Joyner and Tavis Smiley's take on the subject.  i would think a bigger concern was that the illegals are becoming a greater minority than blacks.  i would think that would make them concerned as it would lessen their power to influence matters.

minnetar


Tavis Smiley has sold Coca Cola for 10 years.


i apologize what is that supposed to mean?

minnetar



Tavis Smiley...the Black Folks "Saviour" has been selling the game for 10 years.

He's got his gig all figured out.

He just looks black.


i apologize but i do not understand that statement.  He is so involved in the black community and promoting it.  His yearly  conferences and his involvement on Tom Joyner's show.

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RE: Are Black Americans Concerned at all about Illegals? - 6/1/2007 6:55:02 PM   
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pa,
What difference does it make about the percentage of black men who are incarcerated?  To me that is nothing more than inflammatory and doesn't address the question.

minnetar



larger society- backed em into a corner- which is like saying a group  is disposable.  

the laws are written in such a way- that- blacks can be placed in jail- whites- a lessor punishment- in so far as the drug war goes. [cocaine law, vs crack law]

as a society, we were/are too quick to lock em all up. rather then- giving a person a decent chance.

alot of talent- wasted.

the war on drugs in the 80s- basically put a whole lot of nonwhite folks in prison.

larger society- could have come up with something more constructive then that.


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RE: Are Black Americans Concerned at all about Illegals? - 6/1/2007 6:57:01 PM   
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pa,
What difference does it make about the percentage of black men who are incarcerated?  To me that is nothing more than inflammatory and doesn't address the question.

minnetar



larger society- backed em into a corner- which is like saying a group  is disposable.  

the laws are written in such a way- that- blacks can be placed in jail- whites- a lessor punishment- in so far as the drug war goes. [cocaine law, vs crack law]

as a society, we were/are too quick to lock em all up. rather then- giving a person a decent chance.

alot of talent- wasted.

the war on drugs in the 80s- basically put a whole lot of nonwhite folks in prison.

larger society- could have come up with something more constructive then that.




pa,
thanks and that gave me an idea on your thoughts and where you are coming from.  i agree.

minnetar

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RE: Are Black Americans Concerned at all about Illegals? - 6/1/2007 7:16:29 PM   
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I think it all has to take place after we have the super secret official black persons summitt and the race draft (any takers for Condozela Rice? We'll throw in Clarence Thomas for free).

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RE: Are Black Americans Concerned at all about Illegals? - 6/1/2007 7:22:40 PM   
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I think its time for an "Ask a Black Person" section on the forums.  We could try and get Paul Mooney (aka Negrodaumas) to answer questions. 

I think it all has to take place after we have the super secret official black persons summitt and the race draft (any takers for Condozela Rice? We'll throw in Clarence Thomas for free).

C~



thanks for the sarcasm.  i was only trying to speak up about black men who prove themselves leaders based on beliefs and how they conduct themselves.  Tom Joyner's foundation which endows HBCU's and Tavis has his talks on PBS which i believe he uses to empower the black community.

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