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RE: Let's lighten up a bit - 6/1/2007 1:32:42 PM   
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*shudders*  When I find the clueless, half-wit, fucktard that STARTED that whole thing I'm going to get medieval on his ass with a Louisville Slugger.

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'fucktard' ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you Geoff :-)

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RE: Let's lighten up a bit - 6/1/2007 1:34:16 PM   
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Expresso - I used to work in an Italian restaurant and the fact that the other servers could not properly pronounce this favorite coffee beverage drove me nut.  Espresso, really it isn't difficult.


Arrrrrrgggghhhh!  This one is the bane of my existence!  (I lead an uneventful life.)  I managed a coffee house for two years and I despised people calling it expresso.



I am sooooooooo out  it on this one.  HOW is it supposed to be prounced?

I've know it as ex-press-o. Is it ess-press-o?


Uh, yea.  One "s" in the beggining, two at the end.  Check it out next time you hit a Starbucks.

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RE: Let's lighten up a bit - 6/1/2007 1:37:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Zensee

Irregardless = without without regarding. It's just "regardless", without regard.

Note - I ran spell check on this and irregardless passed muster. Oh the horror.

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Irregardless is actually a word, I was horrified to find.  From Merriam Webster:

Main Entry: ir·re·gard·less
Pronunciation: "ir-i-'gärd-l&s
Function: adverb
Etymology: probably blend of irrespective and regardless
nonstandard : REGARDLESS
usage Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that "there is no such word." There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose. Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance. Use regardless instead.

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RE: Let's lighten up a bit - 6/1/2007 2:34:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Zensee

"I feel well!"
do de do de do de doo
"I knew that I... er... that I... aw crap!"

  (Why James Brown fired his editor)


And LaM - it's SORBET! Don't be so common.



James Brown can say it however he wants.

However, sorbet and sherbet are two different frozen concoctions.

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RE: Let's lighten up a bit - 6/1/2007 3:02:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		I dunno mythi - sorbet and sherbet were the same thing in England and Canada - a frozen fruit puree which may or may not have some dairy present. The terms are used interchangably in many recipes though sorbets generally have no dairy. According to the Wiki they have a common origin "The term "sherbet" is derived from the Turkish word for "sorbet", şerbat which in turn comes from Arabic." And I think it improves the flavour calling it sorbet...

As for irregardless, you can't trust Noah Webster, the man who "simplified" spelling for his American dictionary by removing extraneous U's from words like colour and exchanging z for s in certain cased. It does not surpris/ze me that his descendent's are still trying to sneak perversions of perfectly good words like "momentarily" into the ENGLISH language and providing them with legitimacy by giving them equal time.


I just realis/zed we have all been drawn into a trap. The OP says "Let's lighten up a bit." then invites us to discuss language abuse, a topic which ranks slightly above abortion, tobacco control and  gun laws for rabid opinions.


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RE: Let's lighten up a bit - 6/1/2007 3:12:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		I usually stay away from threads like these, but a few years ago I had as a partner a schoolteacher who corrected me on something so common, it is possible that all of us may get this wrong at one time or another.

I try not to pay much attention to 'media', so I guess when I read this word, it's on the Internet 'news' services.  It's a very common word, and it's correct substitute is another common word, but we may as well all give up being correct grammarians if we cannot get it 'right'.

You may have seen the error already, and you may not.  It's hard to say.  But in this thread, I have used the word incorrectly.  It's so trivial, yet it is apparently wrong.

Anyone see it?  And how many times?  And what's the word that might be used in its place?

Jeff

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RE: Let's lighten up a bit - 6/1/2007 3:21:36 PM   
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RE: Let's lighten up a bit - 6/1/2007 3:25:09 PM   
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Anyone see it?  And how many times?  And what's the word that might be used in its place? 


Here you go:

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Usage Note: Its is the possessive form of the pronoun it and is correctly written without an apostrophe. It should not be confused with the contraction it's (for it is or it has), which should always have an apostrophe.


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/its


Oh, and BTW:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sherbert

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RE: Let's lighten up a bit - 6/1/2007 3:28:48 PM   
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Anyone see it?  And how many times?  And what's the word that might be used in its place? 


Here you go:

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Usage Note: Its is the possessive form of the pronoun it and is correctly written without an apostrophe. It should not be confused with the contraction it's (for it is or it has), which should always have an apostrophe.




http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/its


Oh, and BTW:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sherbert


I'll go check my post again, but I suspect I used its and it's correctly every time.  You could say that was my little red herring.  But nice try.

Edited:  my bad, I did use it's once when it should have been its.  That's still not it.  You may have to read the post again.

Jeff , who is now laughing hysterically

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RE: Let's lighten up a bit - 6/1/2007 3:34:17 PM   
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I've know it as ex-press-o. Is it ess-press-o?
HOW is it supposed to be prounced?


Expensive coffee.

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RE: Let's lighten up a bit - 6/1/2007 3:41:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

There are been a lot of very deep, thought probing posts lately and my mind is getting tired (comes with old age I guess).  Anyway, as I was reading the many posts, I began to wonder if there are certain words that people find annoying because they are pronounced incorrectly on a regular basis.  It all started with someone saying "irregardless".  While that is considered a word, it has never become an acceptable form of grammar.  It started me thinking about other words people use that tend to drive us nuts.  Some of my favorites (beyond the above):
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So what other words do people find others using, whether in writing or speech that tend to drive them crazy?


Here are a few:

Less vs. fewer:  I'm hearing and reading a lot of "less/fewer" mistakes recently.  Use "fewer" if you can count it on your fingers.  Use "less" if it's something more intangible.  For instance "I lost fewer pounds than my partner, but I still weigh less."

Data vs datum:  Datum is singular, and data is plural.

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RE: Let's lighten up a bit - 6/1/2007 4:04:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		After "axe", the mispronunciation that most grates on my nerves is pronouncing etcetera as excetera or eggcetera.  I have a district manager who does the former quite frequently and it takes all my willpower to keep from correcting him.

Jeff... I've spent hours editing other's writing, but you've stumped me on this one.  I want to say it's your use of either "us" or "all", but that may simply be a preference of mine.  I give. 

Edited for my own ridiculous typos.  lol


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RE: Let's lighten up a bit - 6/1/2007 4:07:45 PM   
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Jeff... I've spend hours editing other's writing, but you've stumped me on this one.  I want to say it's your use of either "us" or "all", but that may simply be a preference of mine.  I give. 



You may just need to look harder.  Keep trying.

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RE: Let's lighten up a bit - 6/1/2007 4:13:51 PM   
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DOUBLE NEGATIVES FOLKS! JUST SAY NO!

Thanks, I feel much better IRREGARDLESS hehehe of the fact I occasionally use them in a joking manner. Only occasionally.
BTW, what is wrong with irregardless? It has always been in my lexicon .

Oh jeez another one popped into my head.
'I could care less.'
'I could'nt care less'

When it comes to contractions I learned by saying it aloud in my head so I could practice the proper ones. Usually when I type I do not use them because I cannot reach the dang ' key easily hehehe.

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RE: Let's lighten up a bit - 6/1/2007 4:27:25 PM   
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RE: Let's lighten up a bit - 6/1/2007 4:41:44 PM   
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You may just need to look harder.  Keep trying.


*pouts*  Not fair. 




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RE: Let's lighten up a bit - 6/1/2007 4:50:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: losttreasure

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ORIGINAL: mstrjx

You may just need to look harder.  Keep trying.


*pouts*  Not fair. 





Well, since you probably have the 'mad skillz' to be the final arbiter, I'll let you make the call.

It would seem that it is possible that the schoolteacher was incorrect.

What I was trying to get people to look at was the usage of 'may' vs. 'might'.  I was 'told' that 'may' involves permission - 'You may get something to drink', while 'might' is to be used in every other case.

mythi and I have been wrestling with this for the past little while, and she found a reference that says that the two are actually 'tenses' of one another ('may' being present tense, while 'might' is in the past tense).  This doesn't make a lot of sense to me personally, but I guess I'll concede the point.

It would appear in my initial post that I actually used 'may' improperly once (out of 4 times used), and 'might' improperly the only time I used it.  The way that I structured the post with my own little pea-size brain, I thought I was using 'may' improperly EVERY time, and 'might' correctly when I edited the post.

Who knew?  POSSIBLY more importantly, who cares?

Jeff

(and anyone who didn't appreciate my use of 'skillz', well, do whatever you like)

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RE: Let's lighten up a bit - 6/1/2007 5:53:49 PM   
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Well, since you probably have the 'mad skillz' to be the final arbiter, I'll let you make the call.


lol...

To be honest, I had a very fleeting thought to consider your use of "may", but dismissed it.  I will concede that your schoolteacher might have had a point with regard to some usage of the word "may", but it's not quite so cut and dried.

There is the word "may" that is used to ask permission.  There is also the word "might" that is used to ask permission.  "May I have more tea?" and "Might I have more tea?" are both correct in present tense.

There is also the word "may" that is used to express possibility.  In this usage, "might" can be considered past tense, but most of the time I have seen it typically partnered with "have".  For example, "he may jump off the bridge"... present tense, "he might have jumped off the bridge"... past tense. 

But you can also quite correctly say "he might jump off the bridge"... present tense, or "he may have jumped off the bridge", past tense. 

*whispering*  Just don't let "may" in the present tense get you confused as it implies futurity.  Its use is an auxiliary construction amounting to a compound future quasi-tense as there is no proper future tense in English.

To add more confusion to the mix...

May/Might

By the way, the link at the bottom of that page will make your head spin. 


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RE: Let's lighten up a bit - 6/1/2007 6:49:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		That is ABSOLUTELY incorrect.  Christ, where do people get this stuff?  "Might" is the past tense (and also the conditional) of "may."  Simple as pie.

Edited to add: If there is one thing that annoys me more than grammatical errors, it's when people self-confidently spew supposed grammatical rules that are incorrect.

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ORIGINAL: mstrjx

What I was trying to get people to look at was the usage of 'may' vs. 'might'.  I was 'told' that 'may' involves permission - 'You may get something to drink', while 'might' is to be used in every other case.


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RE: Let's lighten up a bit - 6/1/2007 8:41:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Basically what I came up with Lordandmaster...

"Just as could is the past tense of can, might is the past tense of may: We thought we might win the tournament. But might can also be used as a substitute for may to show diminished possibility. Thus, saying We might go to the movies means that the likelihood of going is somewhat less than if you say We may go to the movies. When used to express permission, might has a higher degree of politeness than may. Thus, Might I express my opinion conveys less insistence than May I express my opinion."  --- The American Heritage® Book of English Usage. A Practical and Authoritative Guide to Contemporary English. 1996.

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