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"White House follows new path to secrecy" - 6/1/2007 6:08:52 PM   
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"White House follows new path to secrecy"
 
By PETE YOST, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 32 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - A newly disclosed effort to keep Vice President  Dick Cheney's visitor records secret is the latest White House push to make sure the public doesn't learn who has been meeting with top officials in the Bush administration.

Over the past year, lawyers for  President Bush and Cheney have directed the    Secret Service to maintain the confidentiality of visitor entry and exit logs, declaring them to be presidential records, exempt from a law requiring their disclosure to whoever asks to see them.

The drive to keep the logs secret, the administration says, is essential to assuring that the president and vice president receive candid advice to carry out their duties.
Cabinet officers often don't want to give up their meeting calendars to journalists. They have no choice under the Freedom of Information Act, which provides public access to some records kept by federal agencies.

But the  FOIA disclosure law, which doesn't apply to Congress, also doesn't apply to presidential records.

The Bush administration has exploited that difference, triggering a battle in the courts.

The administration is seeking dismissal of two lawsuits by a private group, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, demanding Secret Service visitor logs.

In trying to get the cases thrown out, the Justice Department has filed documents in court outlining a behind-the-scenes debate over whether Secret Service records are subject to public disclosure. The discussions date back at least to the administration of President Bush's father and involve the Justice Department and the National Archives as well as the White House and the Secret Service.

The government's court filings show that the Bush White House focused on the issue in the months before Election Day 2004.

Discussions moved into high gear when the Jack Abramoff lobbying scandal prompted news organizations and private groups to demand that the administration turn over Secret Service records of visitors to the White House complex and the vice president's residence.

There was precedent for the demands.

During the Clinton administration, Republican-controlled congressional committees obtained Secret Service visitor logs while conducting investigations of the president and first lady.

Christopher Lehane, a former special assistant counsel to President Clinton and press secretary to then-Vice President Al Gore, points out the political implications of the Bush administration campaign to close off access to the records.

"The question it raises is 'what are these guys hiding?'" said Lehane, now a Democratic consultant. "They can live with it because they've only got a year or so left, but it doesn't do a lot for public confidence in open government." "

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070601/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_cheney_secrecy

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RE: "White House follows new path to secrecy" - 6/1/2007 6:10:27 PM   
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Please apologize this rant.  It continues to amaze me as to how the Bush Administration treats the law and Constitution. i truly believe they have no regard for it.

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RE: "White House follows new path to secrecy" - 6/1/2007 6:26:38 PM   
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That is the opinion of many Americans about the current administration.

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RE: "White House follows new path to secrecy" - 6/1/2007 6:30:28 PM   
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This whole government is corrupt.

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RE: "White House follows new path to secrecy" - 6/1/2007 6:30:51 PM   
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It is amazing as i believe Bush thinks he is above the law and based on his presidential powers can do anything.  i also believe that he can't say he is ever wrong and that makes him able to justify his behavior.  i think he also uses his religious beliefs to back what he is doing.


Again i apologize as i am continually astounded,

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RE: "White House follows new path to secrecy" - 6/1/2007 6:31:57 PM   
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quote:

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This whole government is corrupt.


dangit Popeye we are discussing opinions

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RE: "White House follows new path to secrecy" - 6/1/2007 7:11:40 PM   
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before i moved from Chicago to Pennsylvania- I said- the guys in the ties were as bad as the gangs.

"activist" judges.

ya know- no matter what you think of hillary-  it would appear we bumped into a "vast right wing conspiracy"


bush is harming our children this way. a child will observe that certain children don't have to follow rules. not only that- but every child in America gets to pay cash money for CEO-big oil-Iraq.

the legacy for the children is where no child will be left behind.

consider it delayed abortionistic.  the chilren will have negative- debt- they will pay.  CEOs you S-U-C-K!

you are doing this to the children!

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RE: "White House follows new path to secrecy" - 6/1/2007 8:44:29 PM   
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Actually....I love the way they continue to operate with a ''cloaked mentality'', it spawns more cynicism.





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RE: "White House follows new path to secrecy" - 6/2/2007 4:10:26 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: minnetar

Please apologize this rant.  It continues to amaze me as to how the Bush Administration treats the law and Constitution. i truly believe they have no regard for it.

minnetar



no regard?  that is the understantement of the century!  LOL  They spent 8 years trying to dismantle and supercede it in any way possible!


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RE: "White House follows new path to secrecy" - 6/2/2007 4:12:05 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: popeye1250

This whole government is corrupt.


we really dont have government as its more akin to mob control.


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RE: "White House follows new path to secrecy" - 6/2/2007 11:38:06 AM   
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Yes I read the article and a follow up to it that states the White House has order the Secert Service to destory the logs.  I remember that Bush denied ever seeing Abramoff when the scandal broke, then pictures appeared of Bush and Abramoff in the Oval Office, Bush then claimed he simply forgot.
 
It has been stated that this Administration appears to operate in secert and not open to public view.  Consider that Bush is pushing for more power to spy on the public without the legal safeguards.

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RE: "White House follows new path to secrecy" - 6/2/2007 7:45:33 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: minnetar

It is amazing as i believe Bush thinks he is above the law and based on his presidential powers can do anything.  i also believe that he can't say he is ever wrong and that makes him able to justify his behavior.  i think he also uses his religious beliefs to back what he is doing.


Again i apologize as i am continually astounded,

minnetar



The fact that the Bush administration does all this is, while surprising, is not overly astonishing.  He said as much about his approach to Government prior to ever winning the job.

What is shocking to me is the number of people who support him doing it.

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RE: "White House follows new path to secrecy" - 6/2/2007 7:58:59 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: minnetar
Please apologize this rant.  It continues to amaze me as to how the Bush Administration treats the law and Constitution. i truly believe they have no regard for it.

minnetar


I KNOW! How about that Senoator from New York wire tapping all those people.. the blonde gal... what's her rname?

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RE: "White House follows new path to secrecy" - 6/2/2007 8:23:27 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: minnetar
Please apologize this rant.  It continues to amaze me as to how the Bush Administration treats the law and Constitution. i truly believe they have no regard for it.

minnetar


I KNOW! How about that Senoator from New York wire tapping all those people.. the blonde gal... what's her rname?


So who did Hillary Clinton wiretap?  I'm not one of her biggest fans but I can't wait for your latest gem.

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RE: "White House follows new path to secrecy" - 6/2/2007 9:25:54 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy

quote:

ORIGINAL: minnetar
Please apologize this rant. It continues to amaze me as to how the Bush Administration treats the law and Constitution. i truly believe they have no regard for it.

minnetar


I KNOW! How about that Senoator from New York wire tapping all those people.. the blonde gal... what's her rname?


Eschelon?

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RE: "White House follows new path to secrecy" - 6/3/2007 8:29:31 PM   
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There is a Spanish proverb that translates as -
 
"The dagger needs the cloak!"

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