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beargonewild -> RE: WooPah! (6/2/2007 7:26:17 PM)
Greetings, For this sub/switch, I have no favorite form of punishment I enjoy against me. My former master used punishment as a tool for discipline and to teach a lesson he determined I needed to learn. If and when I acquire my own sub, I will strictly use punishment only under worse case scenerios and not as a form of play.

OnyxDelphi -> RE: WooPah! (6/3/2007 11:59:51 AM)
Well thank you all for your comments. I have learned a great deal from this.

bliss1 -> RE: WooPah! (6/3/2007 12:04:20 PM)
When being disaplined I expect my Dom to know what works and does not. Ignoring me is not one that is very effective due to reasons that are still being worked on from my childhood. (Some of those damn tapes take a lifetime to get rid of.) Time outs work well for me - making me sit and be still is sooooo difficult for me. I would think that it would depend on the Couple - for me a favorite would be just another way to say "this is what works best for us".

CitizenCane -> RE: WooPah! (6/3/2007 12:36:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: fairerthanshe A wise Man once remarked, "If its something the sub enjoys, it's not discipline, it's play." As to the intent of your post, fairer prefers being spanked to just about anything. The best way to actually discipline her though is cutting off communication for a specific period of time. It allows her time to reflect on what ever she has done to warrant punishment. well wishes, fairer I would amend that to 'If it's something the sub enjoys, it's not PUNISHMENT'. Discipline need not be painful or unpleasant- it's about restructuring habits, and making connections between desired behaviors and pleasant feelings is at least as important as making connections between undesired behaviors and unpleasant feelings. In the long run, the connection a sub makes between desired/required behaviors and a sense of positive accomplishment are what will sustain the behavior. In that context, 'negative' discipline, like a quick spanking, is more about making the sub pay attention to the issue at hand than it is about deterring a negative behavior. If a sub is expected to address her dom as 'Sir', for example, and fails to do it, a quick slap on the ass is a reminder that may actually be experienced in an enjoyable way- but the momentary 'pain' sensation still helps focus her mind on seeking the correct behavior. It's neither a punishment for an egregious crime or a deterrent of negative behaviour, it's simply a stimulus that helps build a desired habit.

TemptingNviceSub -> RE: WooPah! (6/3/2007 3:33:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CitizenCane quote: ORIGINAL: fairerthanshe A wise Man once remarked, "If its something the sub enjoys, it's not discipline, it's play." As to the intent of your post, fairer prefers being spanked to just about anything. The best way to actually discipline her though is cutting off communication for a specific period of time. It allows her time to reflect on what ever she has done to warrant punishment. well wishes, fairer I would amend that to 'If it's something the sub enjoys, it's not PUNISHMENT'. Discipline need not be painful or unpleasant- it's about restructuring habits, and making connections between desired behaviors and pleasant feelings is at least as important as making connections between undesired behaviors and unpleasant feelings. In the long run, the connection a sub makes between desired/required behaviors and a sense of positive accomplishment are what will sustain the behavior. In that context, 'negative' discipline, like a quick spanking, is more about making the sub pay attention to the issue at hand than it is about deterring a negative behavior. If a sub is expected to address her dom as 'Sir', for example, and fails to do it, a quick slap on the ass is a reminder that may actually be experienced in an enjoyable way- but the momentary 'pain' sensation still helps focus her mind on seeking the correct behavior. It's neither a punishment for an egregious crime or a deterrent of negative behaviour, it's simply a stimulus that helps build a desired habit. Interesting concept...well thought out...a more positive reinforcement rather than a negative...Tempting

RedheadGirlNY -> RE: WooPah! (6/3/2007 3:46:02 PM)
I differentiate between discipline (correcting unwanted/displeasing behavior) and punishment (volitional disobedience); the former is constructive, the latter signals to me clear problems with the core relationship. If problems exist that merit punishment, it's unlikely that the relationship is viable. Cutting off communication? Raises all sorts of ugly abandonment issues, and if used, would not have a good outcome. To me, that's not punishment, it's emotional blackmail. I'd be gone in a heartbeat. Red (speaking only for me, of course)

TemptingNviceSub -> RE: WooPah! (6/3/2007 5:15:51 PM)
I agree with you Red...to cut off communication to me as punishment will not engender the response a Dominant may look for such as introspection or lesson learned..All that cutting off communication would do in my own case, would be do establish a distancing, and distrust almost sure to be hard to overcome in the relationship...Tempting

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