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4 charged in JFK terror plot - 6/2/2007 3:16:04 PM   
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By ADAM GOLDMAN, Associated Press Writer 3 minutes ago


 
Federal authorities announced Saturday they had broken up a suspected Muslim terrorist cell planning a "chilling" attack to destroy John F. Kennedy International Airport, kill thousands of people and trigger an economic catastrophe by blowing up a jet fuel artery that runs through populous residential neighborhoods.

Three men, one of them a former member of Guyana's parliament, were arrested and one was being sought in Trinidad as part of a plot that authorities said they had been tracked for more than a year and was foiled in the planning stages.

"The devastation that would be caused had this plot succeeded is just unthinkable," U.S. Attorney Roslynn R. Mauskopf said at a news conference, calling it "one of the most chilling plots imaginable."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070602/ap_on_re_us/terrorism_plot

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RE: 4 charged in JFK terror plot - 6/2/2007 3:20:20 PM   
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RE: 4 charged in JFK terror plot - 6/2/2007 3:25:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		      I was wondering if we'd get a thread on this one...  Worth noting that the guy reportedly was as interested in damage to the economy as he was the terror impact...

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RE: 4 charged in JFK terror plot - 6/2/2007 3:45:28 PM   
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Good, we do a lot better when we fight terrorism with good old-fashioned law-enforcement techniques than when we fight it with Marines and National Guardsmen.


It certainly seems so, Lam.

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RE: 4 charged in JFK terror plot - 6/2/2007 3:47:00 PM   
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     I was wondering if we'd get a thread on this one...  Worth noting that the guy reportedly was as interested in damage to the economy as he was the terror impact...


Yes, but I honestly see their desire for economic upheaval as part of the terror impact, Rich. Not as an abrupt impact, in a way, but just as real and unsettling.

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RE: 4 charged in JFK terror plot - 6/2/2007 5:53:08 PM   
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RE: 4 charged in JFK terror plot - 6/2/2007 7:18:54 PM   
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      I was wondering if we'd get a thread on this one...  Worth noting that the guy reportedly was as interested in damage to the economy as he was the terror impact...


Killing people is a double edged sword. On one hand, it scares people and can serve as the exclamation point to whatever it is you're saying. On the other hand, though, it can also cause them to want to kill you even more.

Destroying infrastructure, though, is it's own manifesto. It doesn't even require you to let people know who did it. The damage is already done, and it speaks for itself.

If you shoot a tank driver, there's plenty more to take his place. If you blow up the tank, though, the government needs to spend thousands more buying a new tank, or the drivers are useless. Plus, blowing up tanks won't make you as many enemies as killing tank drivers will

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RE: 4 charged in JFK terror plot - 6/2/2007 7:26:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		Damn Level... thanks for the news. I have about stopped watching the news because it's the same thing nightly. This Marine killed, this drug lab taken down, this molester might be freed.... it's so depressing. So sometimes you have to just take a break from it.

But when I seen this. I had to go on a news witch hunt. And will be watch the news tonight at 11pm.

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RE: 4 charged in JFK terror plot - 6/2/2007 7:42:51 PM   
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I was wondering if we'd get a thread on this one... Worth noting that the guy reportedly was as interested in damage to the economy as he was the terror impact...



Worth noting is that without the FBI Snitch setting people up, the wouldn't have any case.

I've watched these "Terror Cases" get prosecuted.

Could this be another PR stunt, like the "Dirty Bomb Attacks" *allegedly* planned by Jose Padilla?

Or like the 2 guys locally, who were setup by a FBI Snitch looking to get a reduction in his OWN sentence. Oh, and there weren't any rocket launchers either, that was a fabrication of the FBI.

Remember the lesson of the DOJ. The *ONLY* people left in Gov't Service are the Politically Reliable Loyal Bushies, therefore, by being nothing more than Political Whores, who really cares WHAT the FBI/DOJ say these days?



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RE: 4 charged in JFK terror plot - 6/2/2007 11:14:32 PM   
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     I was wondering if we'd get a thread on this one...  Worth noting that the guy reportedly was as interested in damage to the economy as he was the terror impact...


That wouldn't happen, they could simply truck fuel into the airport until the pipelines and tanks were fixed or, they could put tanker ships about a mile off the southern coast of L.I. and run a supply line in.
And if worse came to worse and they had to shut down JFK Airport they could simply divert their flights to Boston/Logan, Newark, La Guardia, Philly and Baltimore.

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RE: 4 charged in JFK terror plot - 6/3/2007 3:12:15 AM   
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It's the same over here. We have the authorities telling us there are boat loads of people trying to kill us. The problem is that they have form for lying to us, and it seems to be the same in the US. Both sets of authorities have an agenda which includes "terrorist" plots.

Let's face it, these people are power mad, and they'll say anything to maintain their power.

Personally, I don't believe a word of it until suspects have had a fair trial.

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RE: 4 charged in JFK terror plot - 6/3/2007 7:11:11 AM   
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suspects in Pearl murder arrested - 6/5/2007 2:40:49 PM   
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RE: suspects in Pearl murder arrested - 6/5/2007 3:35:13 PM   
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a radio dj clogged trafic to get his haircut on the 405 [???]
this was in protest to Bill Clinton holding up air traffic at LAX all so he could have his hair cut.

can you imagine how hard they would fry that guy if it were to occur today?

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RE: 4 charged in JFK terror plot - 6/5/2007 5:27:26 PM   
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As far as not trusting the government, then why would you trust a trial done by the government?

Terrorism is a tactic, not a country you can go to war on. Instead target the Islamic Fascist that are using terrorism. Hold governments, and the people that are elected, accountable for their actions. What has occured in the US is that politics has become a sport, with cheerleaders on each side, and to win you have the most elected officials. Ignore ethics or anything else, just cheer for your side, dig up the negativity and to hell with doing the right thing.

Reps and Dems both make me sick because no one wants to fix the system because they might lose power and the masses divide into different cheering sections. Get involved in local politics if you want to change something.

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RE: 4 charged in JFK terror plot - 6/5/2007 6:18:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Time Magazine and the LA Times have shown that this "terror plot" was not a serious threat.  The wannabe terrorists lacked the resources to execute their plan, and their plan was impractical--Jet fuel is simply not as highly flammable as people think it is.  It's basically kerosene and it will only ignite when mixed with large quantities of air (like in a jet engine or when aresolized in an airplane crash).

The JFK Plot: Overstating the Case?
Monday, Jun. 04, 2007 By AMANDA RIPLEY/WASHINGTON

But the 33-page complaint against the men, issued by Mauskopf's office, describes a plan that is somewhat less impressive. The four suspects, Russell Defreitas, Kareem Ibrahim, Abdul Kadir and Abdel Nur, allegedly schemed to blow up fuel tanks and a fuel pipeline at JFK Airport. This plan did not target passenger terminals or airplanes. It was an attack on ... jet fuel. Which would have been rather hard to pull off successfully. "Jet fuel is flammable and can be made to explode, but it's difficult," says Richard Kuprewicz, an independent energy consultant who has worked with pipeline operators for 33 years. Even if someone did manage to blow up a fuel tank, the resulting fire would not spread through the main pipeline, he says. "Are they true terrorism targets that would shut down JFK for weeks or even days? No."

Excerpts from taped conversations with the suspects, included in the complaint, make it clear that while they may have dreamed of pulling off a major terrorist strike, they had very little idea what they were actually doing. In the worst-case scenario, there might have been a fire — which would have been contained to an unpopulated area of the airport, since that's where the tanks and the pipeline are located. "This whole theory that they were going to blow up this entire 40-mile pipeline shows naïveté in my mind," says Roy Haase, spokesperson for the Buckeye Partners LP, which runs the pipeline in question. "They were foolish."

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1628169,00.html

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RE: 4 charged in JFK terror plot - 6/5/2007 8:17:31 PM   
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    I was wondering if we'd get a thread on this one...  Worth noting that the guy reportedly was as interested in damage to the economy as he was the terror impact...


That wouldn't happen, they could simply truck fuel into the airport until the pipelines and tanks were fixed or, they could put tanker ships about a mile off the southern coast of L.I. and run a supply line in.
And if worse came to worse and they had to shut down JFK Airport they could simply divert their flights to Boston/Logan, Newark, La Guardia, Philly and Baltimore.


Not sure you heard Keith Olberman's response to the threat.  Well the pipelines could have been cut off to avoid total destruction.   It is not all that is reported and yes would be bad but not as devastating as made out to be.

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RE: 4 charged in JFK terror plot - 6/5/2007 8:27:58 PM   
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That is , of course, when the Press Releases get really, really quiet. When it turns out there's not such a strong case.




ah that is just maintaining staus quo!   keep the word "terrorist" on the forefront of peoples minds so its an everyday unquestioned phrase and taken for granted that its real.

Big "NEWS FOR A DAY"...   then oops complication,   oops no case, oops oops and whatever and the quietly get released.

people hear the terrorist part and how rough and ready underdog saved polly purebred and then the bs slowly dies off without a mention.


Its all mass programming 101


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