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Need some ideas... - 6/3/2007 6:51:57 AM   
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OK, I have been debating posting this for a while. I am somewhat out of my league with my new playmate, and I need some ideas on what to do with him. Now, normally, I have absolutely no problem with a completely green newcomer. I am having a TON of fun with this one, and we have committed ourselves to at least being together for the summer months, though there is a chance he will be going away to school at which point I will be releasing him for it. For now, this is a grand experiment and he is a very afectionate sensation slut.  My quandry, he has expressed an interest in pain, and I am rather out of the loop on that. I have no objections to it, and since it is all firsttime for him I am REALLY looking forward to the reactions and the experiments. Even things that havent gone wel we have discussed when he was coming back down and have had merit. 
Does anyone have any ideas for things to introduce a boy to the areas of pain without going directly from OTK spanking to major punishment? Any activities at all would really be appreciated, since its been a very long time since I played with a pain slut, and they were usually more experienced and already had ideas of what theyd like or what we could do when we discused scenes. The new boy is a blank slate and aside from some very minor fantasies he has no idea what he wants to try. He has given himself to me, trusts me completely and essentially asked that aside from permanent marks I should use him at will.

All ideas are appreciated, even if I dont use them all.  I have already spanked him, and he's experienced hot wax and nipple clips (well, clothespins) and some very very minor CBT. Beyond that I am lost for ideas of my own, I have been a sensualist fo so long my sadistic side has forgotten what to do *laugh*

Thanks everyone
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RE: Need some ideas... - 6/3/2007 7:14:50 AM   
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move to impact play.. you can control the about of pain recieved.. floggers for example go from thuddy soft to fuckingSTOP.. depending on the one your using.. also... you might try canes.. starp and stingy to heavy and deep.. canes hurt.. and they are a nice transition in OTK...have you tried using a crop and pegs.. peg him out arms down his chest thighs.. and then move to gentials and slap those babies off... with a quirt, chrop.. decrease the amount of skin being held.. ( ive always found less skin more ouchie) and the space btwn them to increase the pain factor. Uhmmmm... this can all be made more uncomfortable depending on the difficulity of bondage he is in..also.. when the skin is abraided.. you could helpful treat it with rubbing alchol.. then blow on it to makey all better..

hope that helps..

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RE: Need some ideas... - 6/3/2007 7:18:05 AM   
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Think in terms of "intense sensation" rather than pain.   I'm assuming you don't want to go out and spend a bunch of money on toys (but perhaps willing to buy one or two?)

- Use your nails - scratching, digging into genitals, etc.  This also leaves some great marks.  Very effective particularly if you have acrylics.
- Flogging with a thumpy flogger (moose, suede, etc) to warm up (more a massage feel than pain so a good warm up)
- You could also make a flogger out of knotted rope that'll hurt :-)
- Get a riding crop that has a wide leather or rubber slapper.  One brand called FlipWhip is particularly great (about $20)
- Uncomfortable bondage positions.
- Binding genitals tightly with a nylon stocking, vetwrap, or ace bandage
- Wax play - raid the dollar store.  The tall religious candles in glass jars are perfect - let them burn for an hour or two until you have plenty of wax built up, then blow out the flame and let sit for a few minutes to cool slightly (or not), then pour.  You can also buy the paraffin emergency candles and drip directly onto sensitive parts - nipples, genitals, etc.  I always rub the victim down with baby oil so the wax doesn't stick, and put down a shower curtain liner or plastic tablecloth for easy clean up.
- Alternate the wax with ice
- Clothespins.  Everywhere.  Yummy :-)

That's some basic stuff to get you started that won't put a hole in your bank account.   As you experiement with more and find what works for you both, you may want to invest in some more toys.

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RE: Need some ideas... - 6/3/2007 7:23:13 AM   
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I think a lot depends on whether he is more responsive to "stingy" pain or "thuddy" pain. Some good "stingy" or sharp sensation ideas are: singletails and/or quirts (quirts are easier to use in small spaces),  zippers (strings of clothespins tied together with a string so you can yank them all off at once), wartenberg wheel, canes, etc. Some "thuddy" ideas are: using fists (in major muscle groups like the ass or thighs), police truncheon (these are great for warming someone up), heavy paddles, etc. I usually start with thuddy sensations, and then move up to the stingy ones. These are basic ideas, but I hope they help you. 

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RE: Need some ideas... - 6/3/2007 7:25:49 AM   
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Chains--warmed or freezing cold
 
Tylers Flower---a series of plastic clothespins placed along the penis and testicles like a flower with stem--then taken off rapidly or slowly---those have plastic ridges on them, hurt like *&&^%.
 
Cupping
 
Real nipple clamps
 
Shocking dog collar ( heh heh)
 
A razor strop
 
a single tail

 
a tens unit
 
 
Hope those help!

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RE: Need some ideas... - 6/3/2007 7:31:48 AM   
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I maybe have forgotten to mention that I have little to no experience with whips of any kind, so I am really not looking to learn while he does.  I would be too concerned with hurting him and his not saying anything to me about it.

There are a few in here I may try, though some are still well above his tolerance level. He has only been with me 3 times, so we are stil trying to take baby steps.  AS to what he likes better, he still doesnt know.  He is still at the doe-eyed excited phase where no matter what I do to him, it is all wonderful.

DV

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RE: Need some ideas... - 6/3/2007 7:33:10 AM   
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Cling film him, then use the hot wax... It does not dry... 

Or...

Tie him up so he cant move, then tickle him, ok I know this sounds daft, but believe me it is fun...  Maybe not what your looking for?  Again depends on the pain level...

Have fun what every you choose to do...  Love reading these forums... 

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RE: Need some ideas... - 6/3/2007 7:34:43 AM   
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Then you definately don't want a single tail LOL  While I love them, they are pricey and take a fair amount of instruction and practice to learn to use.

However, with a little practice, floggers and crops are pretty simple to use.  You want to stick to the "meaty" areas like shoulders, butt - avoid the spine and kidney areas, as well as joints and other bony areas.  

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RE: Need some ideas... - 6/3/2007 8:00:03 AM   
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Dear DiurnalVampire, Ladies and Gentlmen;
 
For those who are not into whips and or single tails -- I still consider my hands the best tools I have, connected with my mind.
 
Snapping rubberbands is amazingly affective, spanking, soft plain leather belt, rawhide boot lace on the end of a stick can make a nice impromptu whip, sole of slippers or flip flops make great impromptu paddles, Rubbermaid grooming mit (for horses/dogs yellow with a curry out of rubber in the palm and fingers); Rubbermaid's scrub glove (yellow with green scrub surface on palm and fingers; Rubber egg spoon spatchula 'cups' the breast/chest nipple area as well as the round crown of the buttocks--very heavy impact sensation; spatchulas out of plastic ...the wider the better and would be careful if you use metal as they are thin and edges cut.  Scrub/sponges are lovely; baster brushes, especially the round ones--press into the nipple and twist--even seasoned masochists will scream.  I would stay away from Brillo pads but, you can find nylon scrub pads in the puffy round.  Bath scrubs made of netting are great.  Mouse pads (yes for the computer mouse) make a great swat toy.  Just hold at the corner and slap.  Cutting boards and bread boards can be had.  Just make sure that the edges are smooth.  Long shoe/boot horns.  Roughly 15 inches, makes a great paddle.  Yard stick, rulers --make sure the metal edge is not present--that cuts non-consensually.  Wood spoons.  Tongs, metal is best as plastic isn't strong and can fracture.  Forks can rake like vampire gloves.  Clip board can make a good impact tool, just hold where the clip is so that isn't landing on him, clip towards you.  A regular good size book makes a good swat toy.  Dowels work as well as the plastic rod that one twists to open and close the blinds with.  Just make sure that the hook is held in hand.  One can always tape it before holding it but, never should be landing on the buttocks.  Clothesline makes a wonderful rope harness and or dress.  Missing cuffs?  Wrap the belt several times to make cuffs.  If you have a couple of pet collars, wrapping evenly works well.  If you wish to add more safety, place a cardboard around the wrist or at least where the pulse points are and that will keep rope, leather and or silk ties from digging into the vein and causing problems with circulation.  Hair wraps--please do not use the rubber band sorts, as the skin seems to envelope the rubberbands and often are forgotten until there is a medical problem, especially of fleshy folks --but, the ones that are decorated like a cover over rubberband that ladies put their hair in a ponytail, can use that for impromptu CBT; as well as breast bondage for those so inclined.
 
These are a few things on the top of my head, beyond the standard spanking, whip work, etc.
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
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RE: Need some ideas... - 6/3/2007 8:05:25 AM   
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This is just an idea..but sit both of you down at the computer and go to stockroom.com or adulttoychest.com and look at the toys and tools on those sites.  Pick the ones that you like and make note of the ones that he likes, then you can probably come to some sort of agreement on what to use on him next. 
Now doing this can be interesting in all *sorts* of ways...you could sit behind him or on his lap (or he in yours, My boy loves this) and you can tease and play and gauge his reactions to certain pictures or descriptions of toys. 
You could also do this with fetish/bondage/S&M videos.  I've done this before and stood behind the boy while he's watching, just playing with him...the physical reactions are just so delicious to watch and feel! It'll really give you an inkling to what he might like to have done to him.
Do have fun, I'm excited for you!
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RE: Need some ideas... - 6/3/2007 8:06:03 AM   
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If you get a smallish flogger made out of deerskin, suede, etc. you would be hard pressed to hurt him unintentionally. The ones with the soft wide extensions (no knots!) would be perfect for stingy.  A riding crop, as been mentioned before, with a wide tip. The extreme restraints link at the bottom of this page should have a pony crop, and I believe mine was 19$ from them.  If you want stingy and simple, get a flyswatter, it will bring a reaction from him. A leather cord to tie with cbt, it will stay put.  These are the first things that come to mind, to start play with. 

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RE: Need some ideas... - 6/3/2007 8:48:25 AM   
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What a great opportunity!

You might want to figure out whether he is attracted to the sensation of pain, to the idea of liking pain, or to the idea that he is enduring something unpleasant for your pleasure.

First, as you know from non-pain sensation play, there are different categories of sensation. Impact (hitting) has divisions within it--surface sensation versus deep sensation, broad, diffuse sensation versus narrow, specific sensation, essentially. If you have an idea of the kinds of sensations you want to deliver, and perhaps also the kinds of sensations that your bottom enjoys, then you can collect items that offer those sensations. Cheap options: a diffuse, deep sensation might do well with a rope flogger, or a big paddle (an oar might do nicely here, or even a sanded and finished big piece of wood). Tire retread might do nicely, too. Deep, narrow sensation--a metal or wooden rod, perhaps--as I've mentioned more than once on here, I like one used for hanging shower curtains. Superficial, narrow sensation--for something rigid, get a rod for controlling miniblinds, or a cooking chopstick. For something flexible, take a field trip to Goodwill and get a narrow belt--those patent leather ones that were trendy in the early 90s are perfect. For superficial, diffuse sensation, obviously, you have hands, but you also have yellow rubber dishwashing gloves, rice paddles, some hairbrushes, and most spatulas and wooden spoons.

Muscle grabs and punching with good follow through are other fun ways to deliver deep sensations--the pecs, trapezius, calves, glutes, and quads are good places for this, I've found. Also consider pressure points, like the nerve along the outside of the thigh and another place that mirrors it on the upper arm--if you poke at yourself, you should be able to find it. Essentially, take your fingers, knuckles, or the heel of your hand, and dig in. You can also pinch muscles--dig your fingers into the armpit and keep your thumb on the front of the chest and squeeze, or pinch the traps in the same way.

Smaller compression sensations can be good too. Take those clothespins and think about where else, beyond the nipples and cock, you could clip them. Underarms, ears, webs of feet and hands are some of my favorites. Other kinds of clips can be nice, and can create different sensations. It's particularly helpful to use clips that have attachment points, like the open handles of binder clips or the holes in bulldog clips, because then you can run string through and cause interesting, uncomfortable predicaments. For other "small" sensations, rubberbands, either compressing an area or snapping to hit one. Bamboo kebab skewers--they have pointy ends to scratch with, and they are flexible enough to be bent back and snapped onto the skin. Very effective on genitals and feet.

Concerning the genitals, remember our friend the hairbrush? The bristle side can be useful to abrade sensitive parts. Especially nice combined with cold. Rubber bands, clips, postal tape (especially if he doesn't shave)...I'm sure I'm forgetting something. Ball compression--take your hands, or a couple of plastic-wrapped books if you want to use your hands for something else, and squeeze the scrotum. Slap the scrotum. Kick the scrotum. Do knee strikes into the scrotum.

And, too, back to those predicaments, I seem to think you are an adept binder. If so, you can use uncomfortable positions and uncomfortable bondage, which is a lovely form of muscle pain and stress all by itself.

I'm mad about electricity, and I think a TENS unit is a tremendously good investment. But if you want something less expensive, you could acquire one of those "electric flyswatters". Likewise, I think needles are great, but they do take a bit more work to figure out--it's pretty hard to really harm someone when you're armed with a hairbrush and common sense.

Have fun!

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RE: Need some ideas... - 6/3/2007 9:16:56 AM   
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Karamel, I think I might try that with one of the checklists I have from a previous thread. He is still so adorably sy when it comes to talking about things, since it was always bad before.  But, even when he doesnt feel comfy enough to comment, he will still squirm.

Now, how is it I nver thought of abrasion play, scrubbers and hairbrushes?!? I told you I was out of practice!!!

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RE: Need some ideas... - 6/3/2007 10:26:29 AM   
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You could buy one of those vibrating cock rings and make him wear it to a restaurant while you hold onto the remote. Turn it off and on, wear a low cut blouse and lean towards him giving him an eyefull. Tease him until he has a raging hardon, then make him standup and walk out to the car, drive to some sleazy motel and then spank him for being such a naughty slut in public I find a nice wooden long handled back brush is great for spanking and for training a new painslut. Make him bend over a chair and start slow and work your way up from there.

good luck, newbies are fun!

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RE: Need some ideas... - 6/3/2007 10:46:34 AM   
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hi Maam DiurnalVampire Here is a thread from a day or so ago on another part of the forum.
i hope this helps.

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RE: Need some ideas... - 6/3/2007 11:11:41 AM   
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When starting play with a newbie that "thinks" they are a pain slut,I usually start with most usual things,nipples wax ice and fire, a little electrical play but one of the most humiliating things so they tell me  is this,send them to cut some switches,if the are the correct size send them to peel  bark from them,I find this process of anticipation only heighten the experience for those new to the life style..For the more experience sub that likes the cane a 4 length of half inch pvc pipe sure makes a believer of them..bounty

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RE: Need some ideas... - 6/3/2007 11:16:00 AM   
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Speaking of rubber bands,DIANE  and I were at the OHIO leather fest last year and for the first time saw those huge  rubber bands in play,boy oh do the have the whop to them.I haven't been able to find a few but would like to add some to our toy chest..bounty

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RE: Need some ideas... - 6/3/2007 11:17:59 AM   
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I have to avoid humiliation. He has major depression problems, and humilation is a step I am not ready to take with him becasue of them.  Not until he knows me well enough that he understands it is scene related and not personal.

You are evil, Lashra, and I have thought about something like that farther on.  Not yet, I dont think he can handle it quite yet. He is still not confident about his submission in private, so taking it public isnt an option quite yet.

Newbies are such a chalenge, but he has a lot of promise.

EDIT TO ADD: Bounty, want a rubber band with a nice twang to it, get a waterproof camera and save the rubber band strap.  I have used these to hold thigns together and been snaped by them a few times, so its definately a good option for playtime

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RE: Need some ideas... - 6/3/2007 11:27:53 AM   
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I here you,but theses are evil weapons smile about an 1.5  and wops.I saw a sub shot across the room like a ball out of a cannon...bounty

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RE: Need some ideas... - 6/3/2007 11:36:32 AM   
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Maam. as I read your post my most painful memory came to mind during some of my training. Black eye peas dumped on a hard floor and required to kneel on them for an hour or so as I was required to bathe my Mistress. The more I moved around the more they really hurt, and the removal of each one was a very screaming experience.
Thank you for allowing my 2 cents, sub ray

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