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MsRose -> RE: Castration (6/3/2007 3:47:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MsSonnetMarwood
That said...did you know you could buy castration equipment on eBay?  [sm=mrpuffy.gif]


I, out of curiousity, searched for 'castration' on eBay. The Reimer Emasculator, is a medical instrument used by vets apparently. I simply  love the name: The Reimer. Only $84.99 USD. Seems like a bargain.

To the OP, I've had a couple of subs express interest in being castrated, and one very specifically interested in a penectomy. I guess I'd agree with many of the reasons stated by others, that there are a multitude of reasons behind it, I think most boiled down to being driven by fantasy. But why get rid of something that can be fun (at least for me) to play with?



LadyHeart -> RE: Castration (6/3/2007 5:25:21 PM)

Is the desire for castration much different from the desire to alter or lose any other body part? There are people who are into amputation and extreme body modifications. They are all related, in that the underlying psychology is dissatisfaction with the way they are made. Some of us live with it, some of us change it. Depending on how extreme the difference is between the reality and the desired body image, we tend to see it as "OK" or "not OK." I was watching a clip the other day about a woman who had huge breast implants that made her (to my eyes) look deformed. They were literally the size of basketballs. That's the opposite end of the scale - augmentation to the point where others see it as abnormal. Because one is reversable (maybe) and the other is not, are they fundamentally different? Of course, for some it is just fantasy and/or shock value. But for those who go ahead, are they more or less psychologically healthy than those who don't? Interesting ....
:))
LH



Aswad -> RE: Castration (6/3/2007 5:49:22 PM)

To the OP:

Check out http://www.eunuch.org/ or something.

There are a lot of people out there who fantasize about it for various reasons.

There are also some who do it for equally varied reasons.

Some examples include a desire to focus more on their Dom, being less focused on sex, a CBT-kink taken as far as it can go, or even the idea of "giving" their Dom something that intimate and precious to them. Giving, in the sense of "giving up", usually, as not all Doms who join in that kink like the idea of keeping it around, preserved or not.

Some also eat the gonads afterwards. Apparently, they taste like pork if properly prepared. This is more of a ritualistic practice, and part of the symbolism involved for those people, than any actual kink. Of course, there are some who have fetishes about consumption of genitalia (their own, or those of others), or even the whole person, but that's kind of a different story. Most likely not the kind you're thinking about.

It takes all kinds.



Aswad -> RE: Castration (6/3/2007 5:52:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: thetammyjo

Now why would I or anyone else want to be so limited to doing something only once?


Making a permanent change, whether it is a brand, genital modifications/removal, or anything else, is a big commitment. It may just as well be the commitment aspect as the kink aspect; some people do this without having any particular kink about it, and indeed without even wanting to. Entering into an M/s relationship can also be a permanent thing, depending on local legislation and how far the M is willing to go; again, it takes all kinds.

A less permanent approach, of course, which achieves the goals that some are looking for, is to use hormone therapy.



Aswad -> RE: Castration (6/3/2007 5:56:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MsKatHouston

Now, granted, I have no idea how truthful this person is but even if he's lying about doing it for real, he obviously has a pretty intense fantasy regarding it.


There's a fair number of people doing it, although it's impossible to say anything about this one in particular. Most people stick to "just" removing the testicles, possibly also the scrotum.

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I also had a guy recently come to me and want me to burn it completely off.  Ouch.


Now, that's hot. (Drum roll for the double-entèndre.)

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I like my toys and don't want a vital piece of equipment gone.


It's mostly vital if it's being used for anything.

Of course, male genital removal will necessitate hormone replacement, unless one wants to undergo some pretty drastic changes with regard to memory, personality, bone and muscle mass, libido, and so forth.



Aswad -> RE: Castration (6/3/2007 5:59:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

i saw a BDSM documentary about a guy who was at a club. he met two other guys and mentioned in passing he had this fantasy. They took him home, tied him up and did the deed, all too late he realised what was going on.


That's what is colloquially known as "rape", with more than a pinch of "assault", thrown in for good measure. If we're thinking about the same guy, he didn't mind all that much, but I'm sure there are some that do. There's all kinds of reasons to make sure one gets informed consent before going over the edge.

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i guess for some men its a mental problem associated with a very low self esteem.


I'd like to hear your reasoning behind this one, because I can't figure it out. Granted, my knowledge is more centered on mood disorders, anxiety, phobias and developmental disorders. Still, it doesn't click with what a lot of the actual eunuchs out there say.



Aswad -> RE: Castration (6/3/2007 6:05:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SDFemDom4cuck

One, that was interested in complete removal of both, was simply tired of feeling controlled by his male parts. He felt he would be a better sub/cuck if he wasn't constantly distracted by his male hormones. Even while in chastity he still felt controlled by them. He felt that the removal of the male organs would finally solve that problem.


Androgen suppressants.

A doctor (IIRC) in Norway felt the same way, and started on hormone therapy to stop the production of testosterone, among other "adjustments". It's mostly reversible, albeit the reversal will take a lot of time even after the treatment is stopped, but it does provide a good way to achieve the desired result, and it also works wonderfully as a way for people to "try it before you buy", so to speak.

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He seemed very intent on having it done but didn't want to do so on his own.


Perhaps he wanted to do it for someone, or some other such thing.

I'm assuming you meant as in "didn't want to go get it done himself", as it's really quite understandable that a guy, even a CBT fan, wouldn't want to just go take a knife or a hammer to his nutsack.

I mean, blood loss aside, just thinking about popping my nuts ... ~cringe~



Aswad -> RE: Castration (6/3/2007 6:12:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

castration is like a snuff fantasy to me, a fantasy, and you can roll it around in their nasty little heads all day long, but how you gonna top it tomorrow?


With all due respect, what makes you think it needs to be topped, or that they'll want to top dying when they're dead? Besides, not everyone needs to go "bigger and better" every time around; some are happy to go to a certain level and stick to that. And some people do take that fantasy into reality. I could list a few cases, but the mods may not approve of that.



HybridMoments -> RE: Castration (6/3/2007 6:14:14 PM)

This entire topic makes me...wince.



Aliya -> RE: Castration (6/3/2007 9:48:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Aswad

A less permanent approach, of course, which achieves the goals that some are looking for, is to use hormone therapy.



Or anti hormone substances.  There are various substances that will suppress testosterone production.

The upside though is that it's mostly reversible.  Although low testosterone can damage sperm production, and if breast growth results it can leave some of that tissue behind even after the supressing substance is removed and testosterone levels rise.

Actually some of those substances have killed people who were using them to suppress testosterone and that suppression was for medical reasons and they were being monitored by doctors.  Some medications that get used can be very toxic and so should really be avoided, others can affect blood pressure, cause heart attacks, or cause liver tumours with long term use.

There is no garuntee one won't be adversely affected by any way of stopping testosterone.  It's why I'd never do it to a guy.  Just way to many health risks.




Aswad -> RE: Castration (6/4/2007 12:25:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: HybridMoments

This entire topic makes me...wince.


I get that. The idea itself doesn't make me wince, though. But the hammer + nuts idea does.



Aswad -> RE: Castration (6/4/2007 12:33:50 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Aliya

Or anti hormone substances.  There are various substances that will suppress testosterone production.


Antiandrogens, yes. I count that as hormone therapy, i.e. not therapy with hormones, but therapy related to hormones, in this case lowering some of them.

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The upside though is that it's mostly reversible.  Although low testosterone can damage sperm production, and if breast growth results it can leave some of that tissue behind even after the supressing substance is removed and testosterone levels rise.


Mostly reversible, yes. In any case, far more reversible than castration. And breast growth can result from many things the docs prescribe "all the time", though it rarely goes quite that far. Proper hormone therapy will aim for a profile that doesn't cause significant breast development, but one can expect a more feminine appearance due mostly to redistribution of fat; this takes time, though.

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Actually some of those substances have killed people who were using them to suppress testosterone and that suppression was for medical reasons and they were being monitored by doctors.  Some medications that get used can be very toxic and so should really be avoided, others can affect blood pressure, cause heart attacks, or cause liver tumours with long term use.


Of course, there are concerns. My point was just that the risks associated with being castrated are greater, from what I've read. And castration is irreversible.

There's also a difference between gender reassignment and testosterone suppression, though both should be done by the exact same doctors. That is, if you're looking to do chemical castration (in the sense of dropping testosterone, not dropping libido, since the latter can be acheived with e.g. serotonergic drugs) then a SRS doctor should be taking care of it, and should know the purpose of it, so as to minimize the risks.

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There is no garuntee one won't be adversely affected by any way of stopping testosterone.  It's why I'd never do it to a guy.  Just way to many health risks.


There are also potential health benefits, from what I gather.

Mostly, though, I'd tend to agree. It's risky business either way, and not something I think I would do with a male sub/slave, if I had one. Or, at least, not without getting a proper mental workup in advance, as well as having it done in a competent manner and learning the subject as well as I possibly can up front, and making sure the sub/slave has the same information.

I'm quite fine with other Doms and Dommes popping nuts or whatever, but it's not for me.



Politesub53 -> RE: Castration (6/4/2007 1:22:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Aswad

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

i saw a BDSM documentary about a guy who was at a club. he met two other guys and mentioned in passing he had this fantasy. They took him home, tied him up and did the deed, all too late he realised what was going on.


That's what is colloquially known as "rape", with more than a pinch of "assault", thrown in for good measure. If we're thinking about the same guy, he didn't mind all that much, but I'm sure there are some that do. There's all kinds of reasons to make sure one gets informed consent before going over the edge.

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i guess for some men its a mental problem associated with a very low self esteem.


I'd like to hear your reasoning behind this one, because I can't figure it out. Granted, my knowledge is more centered on mood disorders, anxiety, phobias and developmental disorders. Still, it doesn't click with what a lot of the actual eunuchs out there say.



Hi Aswad. With regards to the guy i mentioned, and i think the show i saw this on was Sexcetera, he agreed for it to be done. He went back with the two guys ( Australians i think ) let himself be tied and gagged, and then the dead was done.
i dont see how this was "rape" but it was indeed assault and consent or not the other guys would be facing major charges if it was in the UK.

With regards to your question on my views, i did say it was only a guess. To be honest i didnt think of anyone wanting it done for Transgender reasons. my thinking was that a guy who felt he wasnt good enough for a woman sexually, may well see this as an option. Getting rid of the root of his problems, as it were.
i have to admit i have never met anyone wanting this, or read too much about it, so when i get time i will read the link you kindly supplied the OP.



Aswad -> RE: Castration (6/4/2007 2:41:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Hi Aswad. With regards to the guy i mentioned, and i think the show i saw this on was Sexcetera, he agreed for it to be done. He went back with the two guys ( Australians i think ) let himself be tied and gagged, and then the dead was done.


Ah, that's a different case. The one I'm thinking about, the guy basically aired the idea that he had the fantasy, and they took it upon themselves to carry it out without asking further about it.

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i dont see how this was "rape" but it was indeed assault and consent or not the other guys would be facing major charges if it was in the UK.


Your story didn't seem to involve rape, no. And under the laws where I live, they wouldn't face any charges, though they'd face lots of cops and doctors rolling around on the floor laughing before being sent on their merry way.

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To be honest i didnt think of anyone wanting it done for Transgender reasons.


I doubt many transgender people would want to do this bit. Quite simply, there's a lot of tissue you'll want to preserve and attempt to reuse when constructing the artificial vagina. Basically, if you don't have the dangly bits to cut'n'paste from, you'll be stuck doing cut'n'paste out of the arse ... not so good.

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my thinking was that a guy who felt he wasnt good enough for a woman sexually, may well see this as an option. Getting rid of the root of his problems, as it were.


I don't quite see the logic of that, though I don't discount the possibility.

It seems more likely that it's a kink like any other, though.

I find the female equivalents a quite entertaining notion, though I wouldn't put it into action without a damn good reason and a better checkup. Nothing confidence-related about it; some of the same thoughts that I've heard some of the eunuchs voice, though, so I imagine my thoughts might be reasonably congruent with those of a hypothetical female partner-in-kink in this regard.

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i have to admit i have never met anyone wanting this, or read too much about it, so when i get time i will read the link you kindly supplied the OP.


With all due respect, the nice pale-looking lady, whose name I cannot for the life of me recall at the moment, supplied it first, I think. And she's clearly spent time there more recently than I have. It's a good choice, though. You'll find a lot of different views expressed there. Both from people who go through with it, people who consider it and back off, and people who keep it at a fantasy level.

You might also want to survey some of the erotic fiction on the subject; it doesn't give an accurate picture of things, but it gives you an idea of what turns the fantasy-crowd on, at the very least, and possibly some in the do-it-crowd as well. Kristen's Archives have a bit of that, generally under Extreme, as I recall. Only title I can recall offhand is "Castration Party", which I seem to recall was rather B-grade, if that; the title is funny, though. That'd make an interesting thread. ~lol~



LadyEllen -> RE: Castration (6/4/2007 2:55:58 AM)

In pre-Christian times in northern Europe, the statue of the Goddess Nerthus (possibly analagous to the later Anglo Saxon Eostre) would be wheeled on a cart through the countryside every spring, hauled by her male priests.

At the end of the procession, the cart was taken into a lake where the whole would be "washed down" (possibly more likely blessing the water) ceremonially, and the initiate priests, in an act of devotion to the Goddess would castrate themselves to commit to her service.

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nonu -> RE: Castration (6/4/2007 6:15:49 AM)

Castration, to me, would be part of a committed relationship where my Lady and i both agree on me living without my testicles. It would have more to do with me giving up something very valuable for Her, than to get rid of a part of my body.

It would happen only if W/we both decide that O/our relationship would be for a lifetime, and that W/we wouldn't regret later. It would probably be with the following 2 goals:

1. To enable Her to cuckold me without limits.
2. To ensure that my devotion towards Her is not related to seeking carnal pleasure out of Her.

It does seem a bit depressing, considering that it's an irreversible process, but still turns me on, thinking about the extra 'power' i would be giving to my Lady by willingly giving away something so vital.



MistressTaboo -> RE: Castration (6/4/2007 7:41:25 AM)

My submissive husband came with this fantasy. So I have quite a bit of experience in this area.


First of all let me say...DO NOT DO IT YOURSELF. The Elastrators are not meant to be used on humans. Animal anatomy and human anatomy in this area is NOT the same! If you do it this way, not only is it extremely painful, but you risk gangrene/infection and losing more than just your balls...like ummm your life!  Anytime you read someone having it done this way you can just instantly assume without a shadow of a doubt they have slipped into the fantasy realm.

Second he does not have low self esteem. He is a confident secure man who feels he could serve  me better if he didn’t have all his hormones  pushing him to think about his dick. We do long term chastity play and even with it locked up he takes a while to focus on me instead of his dick. He also loves the idea of not being able to cum easily.  It also falls in with his cuckolding fantasy.

I find it funny that a group of people who think nothing of flogging someone till they bleed or some other kink are upset by someone else’s kink. Yes, it’s permanent.  But then again, so are tattoo’s.  

  Now the guy who wanted me to flog him while quoting the bible and telling him how far he’d falled from God’s grace…now he was a freak! *grins* Just kidding.  But he taught me that everyone has something that’s kinky to someone else and never to judge anothers kink.

  Mistress Taboo



hijra -> RE: Castration (6/5/2007 3:21:25 AM)

as a submissive, driven by this desire from early early childhood.  From a time way before orgasm (as my first orgasm came with my clothes on in 8th grade study hall, reading about eunuchs in an encyclopedia.  way too embarassing to make up), i can tell you from experience (mine) that i have no clue where this comes from.  its from deep within the core.  is it fantacy driven?  i sure have never fantasized about anything else, ever. 

but i am 50 and still a guy.  i never identified as one.  i never identified as a woman either. i worship them.  why would i want to become what i adore?  i just never felt clean during sex.  and i suck at it.  so if i feel guilty or dirty, and during sex, i am fantacizing about not being able to have sex EVER again, how can this be normal or healthy?

i am not flaming anyone here as this is me i am referring to.  we all have feelings we do not understand.  i am a regular participating member at the EA and there are 7,000 stories there that are solely for the purpose of continuing anyones fantacy for a night or two.  They even have a chat room and there are always helpful and friendly people there to converse with.

here is a story from someone i personally have chatted with and it is written for those that have a little problem understanging reality.  i hope you enjoy:

http://www.collarchat.com/m_1057059/mpage_2/key_castration/tm.htm

it is one of around 7000 so it is nothing special




hijra -> RE: Castration (6/5/2007 3:22:41 AM)

wrong tab, sorry

http://www.eunuch.org/Alpha/D/ea_32811decissio.htm





Politesub53 -> RE: Castration (6/5/2007 3:48:45 AM)

I finally found time to read the link to Eunach.org. There seem to be so many reasons for wanting to be casterated other than fantasy or kink. One guy wanted it done because " i have no idea why i wanted to do it, i just knew i did, and it was the best thing i ever done " Another said " i am thinking of having it done for health reasons as i am HIV + and dont want to pass it on "
i found the site interesting and informative, especially about the heath aspects. Its certainly not for me but anyone interested in learning more should really have a read.
[;)]



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