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"Detroit expects half of Iraqi refugees" - 6/3/2007 8:41:28 PM   
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"Detroit expects half of Iraqi refugees"
 
By JEFF KAROUB, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 57 minutes ago

" DETROIT - Immigration aid workers here expect that as many as half of the nearly 7,000 Iraqi refugees who will be brought into the United States by the end of September will settle in the area.

Lutheran Social Services of Michigan has received government data on numerous refugees recommended for resettlement, said Belmin Pinjic, the service's director of refugee services.

"That's the first sign that someone is in the process and should be coming," he said. "How long that process should take, we don't know."

The agency has already started to contact the prospective refugees' family members who live in the Detroit area, Pinjic said.

The Department of  Homeland Security said this week it has approved the refugee applications of 59 Iraqis who should be arriving in the coming weeks. The department provided no details about where they would settle but said it has already completed interviews in refugee cases involving more than 700 men, women and children.
 
The Bush administration announced in February it would allow up to 7,000 Iraqis into the U.S. by the end of September — up from 202 in 2006. It would be the largest Iraqi influx since the 2003 invasion.

Besides contacting relatives of refugees, immigration groups in the Detroit area have been locating translators, transportation and housing, and fielding donations of furniture, clothing and appliances, Pinjic said.

Southeastern Michigan has about 300,000 people who trace their roots to the Middle East. They are heavily concentrated in the Detroit suburb of Dearborn, widely considered the capital of Arab America because of its national Arab-American museum, many mosques and scores of Arabic-signed businesses.

Pinjic and others expect that as many as half of the new refugees will come to the area — either initially or after first resettling elsewhere.

Iraqi community leaders in Los Angeles and Orange County, Calif., which also have large Iraqi populations, said they hadn't yet heard of any refugees being settled in the area. They also complained about the small number of refugees being allowed to enter the U.S. compared with the 2 million who have fled Iraq.
 
"Fifty-nine people is too little, too late," said Imam Mostafa Al-Qazwini, leader of the Islamic Educational Center of Orange County. "What's the big deal about 59 coming here when we have hundreds of thousands of people in Syria, Jordan, Iran and others displaced inside Iraq?"

Mosques in Southern California helped resettle refugees after the 1991 Gulf War, he said. They provided English classes, health services and financial help to new arrivals, he said, and would be ready and willing to do so again.

Tennessee also is bracing for refugees. Nashville is home to the nation's largest community of expatriate Kurds, estimated at 8,000. They were a persecuted minority under Saddam Hussein's rule.

"Frankly, we've got so many Iraqis ... (they'll) be easy," said Holly Johnson, director of refugee and immigration services for Nashville-based Catholic Charities of Tennessee. "They're the least of our worries."

Nashville immigration groups also are preparing for refugee groups from Burma and Burundi, she said. "

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RE: "Detroit expects half of Iraqi refugees" - 6/3/2007 9:17:57 PM   
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RE: "Detroit expects half of Iraqi refugees" - 6/3/2007 9:58:59 PM   
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RE: "Detroit expects half of Iraqi refugees" - 6/4/2007 3:34:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think anyone living in/near Detroit pretty much expected this.
Or at least... I did. We have a very large population here from all over the Middle East.

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RE: "Detroit expects half of Iraqi refugees" - 6/4/2007 9:17:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well I wasn't expecting it, but can't say I am really suprised.

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RE: "Detroit expects half of Iraqi refugees" - 6/4/2007 10:16:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		there is a ton of Arabs on Chicagos southwest side.

Detroit- have you SEEN Detroit?   100s of abandoned baorded up houses. no jobs.  Motown days are over.

yet- per haps the influx can make Detroit world class once again? never say never...

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RE: "Detroit expects half of Iraqi refugees" - 6/4/2007 10:31:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		I thought we where over there to make it better for the Iraqi's.  Why are we letting them come over here with their problems rather then helping them fix the ones in their country so they can stay there?    Helping a few thousand isn't going to make a bit of difference over there, all it does is make it easier for terrorists to come to the US.  Larger communities of Iraqis here make it easier for the terrorists to hide here, and to get into the US as well.  Make them fix what is wrong with their country so all of them are better off.  Don't bring a bunch here and expect things to get better there.  Look around LA, Vegas, any large city with a lot of immigrants, mostly illegal.  They move into the area, and ruin it.  Yes, some actually come here to work and improve themselves, and do that.  The majority though don't do anything to improve the area.  We are already doing more for these people in their own country then their own government was willing to do for them.  Let them stay there and work with what they are given.  We have enough here already that we are trying to help, most who don't seem to want anything other then the free hand out.  I live around a bunch of them right now, they don't bother learning English, or even trying to find work here.  They just want it given to them.  Okay...Enough ranting on my part. 

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RE: "Detroit expects half of Iraqi refugees" - 6/4/2007 12:25:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Azriel, I agree.
And all these "Refugee" and "Asylum" programs are *supposed* to be temporary!
And we STILL have 300-500,000 so called "refugees" here from Bosnia and Kosovo from 1997 and a few hundred thousand from Honduras and Nicaragua because of Hurricane Mitch!
The Geneva Conventions says in section one that once the situation in a country stabilizes the "refugees" from that country can be repatriated.
There is no reason for those people to still be in this country.
None of those "Refugee" or "Asylum" programs should ever involve U.S. Citizenship. I don't know how they get around that.
We've been way more than "nice" to these people.
Of course it seems we can never expect the people we elect to actually enforce our laws. There always seems to be an "exception" only "exceptions" are becomming the rule for whatever reason.

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RE: "Detroit expects half of Iraqi refugees" - 6/4/2007 2:26:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		I agree with you, citizenship should never be an option.  I had a discussion once with a man who had some very good points.  One of them was that if we deported all the illegals here in the US back to their contries, they would more then likely force change there since they have had it so good and easy here.  These illegals would know things could be better and force the government of thier contries to change.  Instead, we give them hand outs, and free passes every time they ask for it or demand it, not that I see any difference between the two with these illegals.  People don't like to see that these illegals, refugees, or whatever nice term you want to put on the illegals bring with them gangs, and over population.  They have no interest for the most part in adapting to the USA, trying to fit in or even learning English.  The gangs know that these illegals don't trust the police so they terrorize them, and this just breeds more crime and a enviroment for more illegals to come here.  With that comes the home grown terrorist problem, among so many others.  Nice is not the term I would use with them, we have elected "officials" that bow to them in such a pathetic way it is a crime.  Why should these elected officials care what some illegal in the USA thinks?  They are not a USA citizen.  Rather, they are already a criminal, several times over.  If the problem with illegals was taken care of, I see a great deal of the other problems in the USA going away as well.  Cut welfare, taxes can go down.  Fewer illegals, fewer prisons needed, taxes can go down again and the police can deal with other problems.  Then crime goes down.  I am not saying that illegals are the one cause to everything in the USA, just a major problem that if removed, the rest would become better.  Think of them as an infection or cancer.  Once that is removed, the rest of the body becomes healthy again.  The treatment might hurt, only for a short time though.  Okay...I have rambled on and on....  Just gets me all bent out of shape.  Thanks for showing I am not the only one that thinks this way.  Have a good evening. 

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RE: "Detroit expects half of Iraqi refugees" - 6/4/2007 2:29:24 PM   
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Exactly what law are they supposed to be enforcing?  You were a little vague on that.  Instead of quoting the Geneva Convention for refugees how about quoting it on torture?  Or do we just pick and choose the pieces we want?  BTW the part you quoted says they "can be" not that they "must be".

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RE: "Detroit expects half of Iraqi refugees" - 6/4/2007 2:42:11 PM   
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Dear Popeye,

Exactly what law are they supposed to be enforcing?  You were a little vague on that.  Instead of quoting the Geneva Convention for refugees how about quoting it on torture?  Or do we just pick and choose the pieces we want?  BTW the part you quoted says they "can be" not that they "must be".

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Playfull one, "can be" is good enough for me!
Maybe we should change it to "WILL".
"Can be" does sound a little ambiguous doesn't it?
And what does "torture" have to do with refugees remaining in this country? Are you suggesting that we torture them before we send them back to their home countries?

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RE: "Detroit expects half of Iraqi refugees" - 6/4/2007 3:01:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Good afternoon,  I can see the hate mail I will get on this already...  It is a thought though.  If the elected officials here weren't so yellow and gutless, and we let w few of these "refugees" be tortured before sending them back to where they came from, maybe they wouldn't want to come here to start with?  Perhaps it would be a incentive to stay where they are and fix what the problem is there, not bring the problems to the USA and make more when they get here.  The USA already has been trying to help every country out we can, yet those countries never say thank you, or even seem appreciative.  Maybe if we made them stay in their country, and showed them how to improve things, make their lives better, rather then bringing them here, we wouldn't have any problems.  On the other side of that though, the reason so many terrorists hate the USA is that we do have a bad habbit of sticking our noses where they don't belong and telling others that their lifestyle/culture is wrong.  I see it a great deal when I travel.  People from the USA seem to think their way of life is the only way of life, and every other country should become just like the USA.  I noticed that other countries seem to get along just fine with their way of doing things without us messing around in their affiars.  Yes, all countries have problems.  Right now, one of the USA's biggest is illegals.  Perhaps we should spend more time fixing that problem at home, then worry more about other countries.  Just some food for thought. 

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RE: "Detroit expects half of Iraqi refugees" - 6/4/2007 3:30:32 PM   
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RE: "Detroit expects half of Iraqi refugees" - 6/4/2007 5:33:17 PM   
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I thought we were fighting in Iraq so that Iraqis could live there.


Didnt the Iraqis already live in Iraq before we got there?

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RE: "Detroit expects half of Iraqi refugees" - 6/4/2007 7:16:39 PM   
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I thought we were fighting in Iraq so that Iraqis could live there.


Even if everything was peaches and cream conflict wise in Iraq tomorrow I would leave to. There is enough DU blowing around in Iraq to cause birth defects and cancer rate increases for 1000s of years.

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RE: "Detroit expects half of Iraqi refugees" - 6/4/2007 7:37:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thank you.  Glad someone does. :)    I will say I got a lot of mail on this one sent to my box though.  Some not so friendly, oh well.  Everyone can live in a fantasy world if they choose. lol  Hope you have a good night Popeye.

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RE: "Detroit expects half of Iraqi refugees" - 6/4/2007 8:37:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		7000 new Middle Easterners in Dearborne? Who would even notice? The town is near 100% Arabic/Islamic already. Just as in the wake of VietNam when we cut and run we have to drag along those who worked for/with us or they will simply be executed.

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RE: "Detroit expects half of Iraqi refugees" - 6/4/2007 8:41:08 PM   
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7000 new Middle Easterners in Dearborne? Who would even notice? The town is near 100% Arabic/Islamic already. Just as in the wake of VietNam when we cut and run we have to drag along those who worked for/with us or they will simply be executed.


Welcome to my world.

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RE: "Detroit expects half of Iraqi refugees" - 6/4/2007 8:53:46 PM   
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Welcome to my world.

After the Vietnam exodus, the comment in Orange County was "When the last caucasian leaves Orange County, take the flag."

Sinergy


Whoa! You mean there are caucasians in Orange County? I thought that was just on TV.

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RE: "Detroit expects half of Iraqi refugees" - 6/4/2007 9:10:12 PM   
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