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Trampler -> RE: Gosh darned oral sex (6/5/2007 7:40:36 AM)

Wouldn't be a deal breaker for me ethier. Oral doesn't do a damn thing for me. (though I wish it did!)  But overall it depends on how much of a connection we have. And what he/she says about oral sex being a hard limit.




MaamJay -> RE: Gosh darned oral sex (6/5/2007 9:31:12 AM)

If you were to be My 24/7 slave ... then your limit would be a deal-breaker for in that context I would require sexual service, and as Master has overall control on the nature of that, He is far more likely to allow Me to receive oral stimulation from a slave than penetrative intercourse. ALL DONE SAFELY of course!! (For those who can't read anything not in caps!)

However, most of the subs I have played with over time have not been called upon to worship Me orally simply because it's an intimacy I don't feel comfortable seeking until I feel very body-relaxed with a sub AND I know it's not a problem for them, in fact, it's something they are desirous of doing. Basically I'm not going to allow any old T, D or H down there ... a sub has to prove his worth to Me first ... and his growing desire for that level of intimacy tends to remove any lingering questions I have about permitting it! In the absence of that desire and My comfort it's a NO GO Zone! So for someone who was offering service on other levels such as domestic service or simply bdsm play ... this limit would not be a deal-breaker.

Maam Jay




maledave7 -> RE: Gosh darned oral sex (6/5/2007 11:41:58 AM)

Speaking as a sub male, I would find oral sex as a way to worship and honor her. I have thought if circumstances were change, she did not want me going down on her. I would not want to be her sub because I desire a long-term relationship. I feel that oral sex would be an important part of my relationship to my Mistress. It is one way to focus on giving her pleasure.




LightHeartedMaam -> RE: Gosh darned oral sex (6/5/2007 11:45:52 AM)

I would seek first what the aversion to it is.  Is it the appearnce?  The smell? The taste?  Then take it from there.




KaramelGoddess -> RE: Gosh darned oral sex (6/5/2007 5:18:39 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sekhemet

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyeSaige

Not for a primary relationship.   For a secondary relationship where we were not going to be sexually involved, fine.


Who are you - CLINTON???
its called oral SEX because it is sexual involvement - a hooker charges to do it cause ... its sexual involvement - his cock in yer face -is sexual involvement ... your cunt on his nose IS SEXUAL involvement!!

oralSEX - is sex that's why people like those who replied HERE get genital warts all in their throats and bellies and it CAN NOT be treated ... you can get EVERY STD from ORAL SEX, that you'd get from cunt/cock sex - ok - it IS sex, it is not safer for anything but pregnancy ...

and its is a relationship.
Course if you disagree take a moment to figure out how you'd explain it to the BF who walks in on your NONSEXUAL activity ... or HIS GF - SIMPLE RULE OF THUMB: if ya aint doing it with mom in the room - its sex.

And I don't do oral - I have no desire to catch something in such a way to kill Myself - warts orally - will kill you - they turn cancerous.  Cervical cancer - is warts ... throat cancer, is warts - stomach cancer they now suspect - is genital warts ... yeah it aint sex, you just get STD's from it.
And ghonnoreah and syphillis and  the rest - you can so get it orally - a yeast infection will become thrush if it's oral exact same thing ...

You guys - are scary though man - education on these topics is definitely not a group strong point huh: SSC goes right out the window ...


This has to be the most obnoxious post I have ever seen.
 
As for Me - I would never even consider a submissive for the primary position in My household if he doesn't enjoy giving *and* receiving oral.
~Kara




Politesub53 -> RE: Gosh darned oral sex (6/5/2007 5:27:51 PM)

Not only obnoxious but stupid. It was totaly misreading LadyeSaige was saying.
[;)]




undergroundsea -> RE: Gosh darned oral sex (6/5/2007 9:06:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sekhemet
ok - it IS sex, it is not safer for anything but pregnancy ...


It's not even safe for pregnancy! Let's imagine that a woman gives oral sex to a man and then goes and spits in the toilet. And then she pees and a little bit of the semen splashes back up into her vagina. That's all it takes!

Simple solution, you say. Only men should provide oral sex. Fair enough, I say. However, it still isn't safe! Imagine that his erect penis comes into contact with her ankle. I mean if the dude's worth his salt, she'll be all sweaty. That sweat will provide a path to the sperm to reach her vagina! I mean, that's evolution. The only thing sperm knows to do is swim that way. Forces of nature cannot be stopped!

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 SIMPLE RULE OF THUMB: if ya aint doing it with mom in the room - its sex.


That's awesome! I know this gal who says she never smokes weed with her mom in the room. And one time she smoked weed with me in the room. So we had sex! And all this time I was thinking she was out of my league! Wait till I tell all my buddies!

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And I don't do oral - I have no desire to catch something in such a way to kill Myself - warts orally - will kill you - they turn cancerous.  Cervical cancer - is warts ... throat cancer, is warts - stomach cancer they now suspect - is genital warts ... yeah it aint sex, you just get STD's from it.
And ghonnoreah and syphillis and  the rest - you can so get it orally - a yeast infection will become thrush if it's oral exact same thing ...


You can never be too safe! I don't even kiss. When my date wants to kiss, I have her stand by the window and I go outside. We then kiss with the glass between us. You can tell if it's a good kiss by how much steam there is on the glass at the end. Now I'm a thoughtful and considerate date. If I am seeing more than one woman, I make sure I clean the glass in between so that they don't catch anything by kissing glass kissed by someone else. Instead of being grateful, some complain that the kiss tastes like Windex!

And what's up with all these handshakes? Yuck! It's a pain to have to carry latex gloves around with me everywhere. Why can't we just abandon that practice? I am going to call Planned Parenthood and suggest they include handshakes in their abstinence discussion.

Cheers,

Sea




Red82 -> RE: Gosh darned oral sex (6/5/2007 9:38:48 PM)

quote:

Who are you - CLINTON???
its called oral SEX because it is sexual involvement - a hooker charges to do it cause ... its sexual involvement - his cock in yer face -is sexual involvement ... your cunt on his nose IS SEXUAL involvement!!

oralSEX - is sex that's why people like those who replied HERE get genital warts all in their throats and bellies and it CAN NOT be treated ... you can get EVERY STD from ORAL SEX, that you'd get from cunt/cock sex - ok - it IS sex, it is not safer for anything but pregnancy ...

and its is a relationship.
Course if you disagree take a moment to figure out how you'd explain it to the BF who walks in on your NONSEXUAL activity ... or HIS GF - SIMPLE RULE OF THUMB: if ya aint doing it with mom in the room - its sex.

And I don't do oral - I have no desire to catch something in such a way to kill Myself - warts orally - will kill you - they turn cancerous.  Cervical cancer - is warts ... throat cancer, is warts - stomach cancer they now suspect - is genital warts ... yeah it aint sex, you just get STD's from it.
And ghonnoreah and syphillis and  the rest - you can so get it orally - a yeast infection will become thrush if it's oral exact same thing ...

You guys - are scary though man - education on these topics is definitely not a group strong point huh: SSC goes right out the window ...


oh oh oh wow!

This in so many ways just reminds me of the mother off of "The Waterboy" but in a different setting. Think about it. I can actualy hear her saying "Oral Sex is the Devil!"

Then again, if any of you are south park fans, it might have reminded you of Ms. Chokesondick teaching sex ed to the girls.

Eh, i thought it was funny. Quack. 




SDFemDom4cuck -> RE: Gosh darned oral sex (6/5/2007 10:43:46 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sekhemet

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyeSaige

Not for a primary relationship.   For a secondary relationship where we were not going to be sexually involved, fine.


Who are you - CLINTON???
its called oral SEX because it is sexual involvement - a hooker charges to do it cause ... its sexual involvement - his cock in yer face -is sexual involvement ... your cunt on his nose IS SEXUAL involvement!!

oralSEX - is sex that's why people like those who replied HERE get genital warts all in their throats and bellies and it CAN NOT be treated ... you can get EVERY STD from ORAL SEX, that you'd get from cunt/cock sex - ok - it IS sex, it is not safer for anything but pregnancy ...

and its is a relationship.
Course if you disagree take a moment to figure out how you'd explain it to the BF who walks in on your NONSEXUAL activity ... or HIS GF - SIMPLE RULE OF THUMB: if ya aint doing it with mom in the room - its sex.

And I don't do oral - I have no desire to catch something in such a way to kill Myself - warts orally - will kill you - they turn cancerous.  Cervical cancer - is warts ... throat cancer, is warts - stomach cancer they now suspect - is genital warts ... yeah it aint sex, you just get STD's from it.
And ghonnoreah and syphillis and  the rest - you can so get it orally - a yeast infection will become thrush if it's oral exact same thing ...

You guys - are scary though man - education on these topics is definitely not a group strong point huh: SSC goes right out the window ...


WTF? I think the person that needs some education here is you Sekhemet. Especially one regarding comprehension and the ability to hesitate prior to clicking ok before posting a completely rude, incoherent, unbelievably assinine response. I rarely get nasty here on the boards but this truly just pisses me off to no end. you misunderstand a post and then have the nerve to denigrate everyone who's posted on the topic. Auuughhh!

I will not even get into the cytological differences between warts and malignant cancer cells. I have a feeling it is much too far over your head seeing your simplistic notions as stated in your post. I will state that the only case that you may be partially correct on is that some forms of HPV can lead to cervical cancer. However there are multiple strains of HPV and only 2 strains or types (types 16 and 18) are associated with a percentage of cervical cancer. Not every wart has the potential to turn cancerous as you seem to be proposing. That is patently ridiculous and yet another need for education on your part. Before you even think to take me on regarding this I'll explain that I'm a studying nuclear medicine and I'm not simply talking out of my ass regarding this subject.

The one part I will respond to is this. Although I'm not sure why.

quote:

Course if you disagree take a moment to figure out how you'd explain it to the BF who walks in on your NONSEXUAL activity ...
  Although the only person claiming that any of us think it to be non-sexual is you. I do disagree to your quoted statement above. Personally, not only would I not have a problem explaining what was occuring to my sub but he would be well aware of what was going on prior to it's occurance. It's called cuckolding sweetie. Look it up.

One last thing. Are you referencing the blood thirsty War Goddess (also called Hathor) from Egyption Mythology that attempted to destroy mankind through your screenname of Sekhemet? The one that was believed to be a daughter of the Sun God Ra?  Although seeing how She was known as a bringer of disease your post actually becomes quite clear now. Not any more coherent or correct but it definitely becomes clear. Anyway, If that's who you're referring to you might want to know...it's spelled Sekhmet.

you might want to change that.




GoddessDustyGold -> RE: Gosh darned oral sex (6/6/2007 12:28:30 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: thetammyjo


It entirely depends on the type of sub you are going to be. If sexual submission isn't your thing and isn't what your Ds dynamic is about, why should your sexual limits even be an issue? I've trained women before and sex wasn't what either of us wanted. We did SM and we did service of the housekeeper or personal assistant nature.

If however you want to offer sexual service or submission then you may have to work on giving as well as receiving. I for one would call someone who only receives in a BDSM dynamic a bottom rather than a submissive. Absolutely nothing wrong with bottoms just not the same as a sub (and definitely not the same as a slave) in my useage.

I suggest looking at the Miss Abernathy books. There are some good "tests" in there to help one think about what type of submission or slavery one is best suited for.


I checked the OP's profile and she does state that she is a "bedroom slave" and she is autistic.  So there is a hard limit on kissing and oral. The profile more or less led Me to believe that this is less service oriented, and I am not sure what bedroom activities would be involved.  I have no doubt, given the description, that she is having a problem finding the right Lady.




Red82 -> RE: Gosh darned oral sex (6/6/2007 2:06:43 AM)

quote:

WTF? I think the person that needs some education here is you Sekhemet. Especially one regarding comprehension and the ability to hesitate prior to clicking ok before posting a completely rude, incoherent, unbelievably assinine response. I rarely get nasty here on the boards but this truly just pisses me off to no end. you misunderstand a post and then have the nerve to denigrate everyone who's posted on the topic. Auuughhh!

I will not even get into the cytological differences between warts and malignant cancer cells. I have a feeling it is much too far over your head seeing your simplistic notions as stated in your post. I will state that the only case that you may be partially correct on is that some forms of HPV can lead to cervical cancer. However there are multiple strains of HPV and only 2 strains or types (types 16 and 18) are associated with a percentage of cervical cancer. Not every wart has the potential to turn cancerous as you seem to be proposing. That is patently ridiculous and yet another need for education on your part. Before you even think to take me on regarding this I'll explain that I'm a studying nuclear medicine and I'm not simply talking out of my ass regarding this subject.

The one part I will respond to is this. Although I'm not sure why.


quote:

Course if you disagree take a moment to figure out how you'd explain it to the BF who walks in on your NONSEXUAL activity ...
  Although the only person claiming that any of us think it to be non-sexual is you. I do disagree to your quoted statement above. Personally, not only would I not have a problem explaining what was occuring to my sub but he would be well aware of what was going on prior to it's occurance. It's called cuckolding sweetie. Look it up.

One last thing. Are you referencing the blood thirsty War Goddess (also called Hathor) from Egyption Mythology that attempted to destroy mankind through your screenname of Sekhemet? The one that was believed to be a daughter of the Sun God Ra?  Although seeing how She was known as a bringer of disease your post actually becomes quite clear now. Not any more coherent or correct but it definitely becomes clear. Anyway, If that's who you're referring to you might want to know...it's spelled Sekhmet.

you might want to change that.


_____________________________

Ms Jo

She dealt her pretty words like blades,
how glittering they shone.
And every word unbared a nerve
or wantoned to the bone.

I want a sensitive man - one who'll cry when I hit him.


Honestly, if I had a "Domme #1" Large Foam Finger like at basketbal games, I would have been wavin that thing all over the place while I read your post. Loved it!




tulipgoose -> RE: Gosh darned oral sex (6/6/2007 2:16:40 AM)

Well, seeing as there are such people as anti-sexualists (rare of course) who also take part in this lifestyle there would be all various mixtures of preferences within the lifestyle. I, like you, am not one for kissing, something I too am working on, but... we all have our own thing. Most of course do desire oral things, be it kissing, or sexually. Some do not need it, some do not desire it, and some do not even allow it, even if the relationship is sexual otherwise. I can't give oral easily, because I have TMJ, and I know of a handful of other women, and even a couple men with TMJ who cannot take part in some oral activities. Granted medical needs are more widely accepted than desires, it's just who you are, and many, though a low number compared to the entire spectrum, are willing to work with you!

Good luck!




Politesub53 -> RE: Gosh darned oral sex (6/6/2007 2:53:33 AM)

Thank you sea. i know have a visual of being told to " Kiss My glass "
[:D]




thetammyjo -> RE: Gosh darned oral sex (6/6/2007 6:01:52 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGold

quote:

ORIGINAL: thetammyjo


It entirely depends on the type of sub you are going to be. If sexual submission isn't your thing and isn't what your Ds dynamic is about, why should your sexual limits even be an issue? I've trained women before and sex wasn't what either of us wanted. We did SM and we did service of the housekeeper or personal assistant nature.

If however you want to offer sexual service or submission then you may have to work on giving as well as receiving. I for one would call someone who only receives in a BDSM dynamic a bottom rather than a submissive. Absolutely nothing wrong with bottoms just not the same as a sub (and definitely not the same as a slave) in my useage.

I suggest looking at the Miss Abernathy books. There are some good "tests" in there to help one think about what type of submission or slavery one is best suited for.


I checked the OP's profile and she does state that she is a "bedroom slave" and she is autistic. So there is a hard limit on kissing and oral. The profile more or less led Me to believe that this is less service oriented, and I am not sure what bedroom activities would be involved. I have no doubt, given the description, that she is having a problem finding the right Lady.


I didn't look at her profile.

If she is describing herself as a bedroom slave then I think she needs to work damn hard at getting over any sexual hangups she has. Autism or no autism if you are going to claim to be a particular type of anything you need to make sure you fit that model.

Bedroom or sexual slaves need to be at minimum open to all forms of sexuality activities (with legal or moral considerations). Being skilled at them is also a huge plus but everyone has to start somewhere.

If someone isn't interested in some types of sex then I think she'd be better off categorizing herself as something other than a bedroom or sexual slave. Maybe a bondage bottom or whatever better describes what they are open to and skilled in.




tulipgoose -> RE: Gosh darned oral sex (6/6/2007 7:58:06 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: thetammyjo


Bedroom or sexual slaves need to be at minimum open to all forms of sexuality activities (with legal or moral considerations). Being skilled at them is also a huge plus but everyone has to start somewhere.

If someone isn't interested in some types of sex then I think she'd be better off categorizing herself as something other than a bedroom or sexual slave. Maybe a bondage bottom or whatever better describes what they are open to and skilled in.


Actually, I am nearly certain there are many sex/bedroom slaves which will not engage in many forms of sex which are technically out there! Oral is simply a particular, just like someone may have a thing for doing a pillow... it's merely something to "do"... There are in fact quite a few forms of sex which are illegal.... and would not be done by anyone of a sound mind..... Obviously pillows and mouths are not illegal, but just aren't for some. Saying that a person isn't a sexual slave because they don't give oral is like saying someone isn't a maid because they don't turn on your dishwasher when there are dirty dishes in it.....While thaty is something which can be negotiated, it's not always standard even if part of the most "commonly purchased  package..." I've in fact met many bedroom Doms and Masters who refuse to do anything but have intercourse which they lead.




LightHeartedMaam -> RE: Gosh darned oral sex (6/6/2007 7:58:09 AM)

I see it as "secondary type sex" also.  The holy PV (penis/vagina) is seen as ultimate possession as it is the reproductive portal.

But I tell you, if I ever saw a warty penis or poontang, I wouldn't let it in the house let alone suck the thing!





MistressLorelei -> RE: Gosh darned oral sex (6/6/2007 8:52:32 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LightHeartedMaam

I see it as "secondary type sex" also.  The holy PV (penis/vagina) is seen as ultimate possession as it is the reproductive portal.

But I tell you, if I ever saw a warty penis or poontang, I wouldn't let it in the house let alone suck the thing!




You likely wouldn't know it was warty till it was already in the house.  I have been surprised a couple of times in the past as to just what existed beneath the boxers. 

Perhaps the males sending those penis photos are on to something.  Hmmm....




thetammyjo -> RE: Gosh darned oral sex (6/6/2007 9:39:38 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: tulipgoose

quote:

ORIGINAL: thetammyjo


Bedroom or sexual slaves need to be at minimum open to all forms of sexuality activities (with legal or moral considerations). Being skilled at them is also a huge plus but everyone has to start somewhere.

If someone isn't interested in some types of sex then I think she'd be better off categorizing herself as something other than a bedroom or sexual slave. Maybe a bondage bottom or whatever better describes what they are open to and skilled in.


Actually, I am nearly certain there are many sex/bedroom slaves which will not engage in many forms of sex which are technically out there! Oral is simply a particular, just like someone may have a thing for doing a pillow... it's merely something to "do"... There are in fact quite a few forms of sex which are illegal.... and would not be done by anyone of a sound mind..... Obviously pillows and mouths are not illegal, but just aren't for some. Saying that a person isn't a sexual slave because they don't give oral is like saying someone isn't a maid because they don't turn on your dishwasher when there are dirty dishes in it.....While thaty is something which can be negotiated, it's not always standard even if part of the most "commonly purchased package..." I've in fact met many bedroom Doms and Masters who refuse to do anything but have intercourse which they lead.


Sorry but I stick to my point.

If one is going to use a term to describe what type of slave or sub or bottom or top or whatever, you need to be careful about which terms you use. Saying you are a bedroom or sex slave gives the impression that you are open to a very wide manner of sexual activities and indeed it may also suggest that you have skills in these areas.

There are many ways to describe oneself and if one or two words won't do it, use a sentence or a paragraph or a bloody essay if you must.

I think the OP is using terms that are misleading and that is greatly affecting her finding partners and keeping partners.




MySweetSubmssive -> RE: Gosh darned oral sex (6/6/2007 9:53:48 AM)

I second this.  By saying that she is a bedroom submissive, the OP indicates that sex and sexual activities are on the agenda.  I believe that she wants to indicate that she is not *universally* submissive, but submissive in a scene.  This, to me, would be a bottom.  If she said "sensation-play bottom" or "pain bottom," she would set clearer expectations (from what I can see in her profile).  I am not looking for a sexual (only) submissive, but if I were, I would certainly want oral and kissing from him.  Those are big for me.

What is odd to me is that the OP also states that she is married, but in her journal states that this is a platonic marriage to a straight woman.  Certainly I've heard odder things, but the OP seems a curious blend of extreme intimacy and making herself unavailable.  It might be that she has a complex life and is candid about it, but this combination looks like drama with a capital D to me.

To address the OP more directly, you offer a challenge.  You don't like kissing or oral, you are in a commited relationship (though you state that you would be willing to move out of it), and you say that you are the equivalent of an 11 year old.  That last would also give me pause.  It would make me very concerned about how fragile you might be, how your relative inexperience might make you more open to harm through play.  Your own narrative suggests this as well, as you mention your extreme sensitivity.  Those are *big* challenges for a stranger to take on.  You seem to desire a lot of care.  I would gently ask, what are you giving in return to offset the considerable amount of work this would require?

MSS




DiannaVesta -> RE: Gosh darned oral sex (6/6/2007 11:04:15 AM)

I agree with Tammy Jo. It depends on the relationship and the type of slave you are going to be. I have slaves where there is no intimate contact and its rare that I ever exchange any type of body fluids unless it is with a personal primary slave. I can count on one hand people I have been that intimate with and anyone that knows me knows that I'm VERY open-minded.
 
 
 
Aside from BDSM the main dynamic for me is female domination- the whole Goddess with servant thing. So many things can take place on that platform & for me the mental & emotional aspects of it is what I find the most stimulating. When they are bad they get spanked really and not because they happen to be into spanking. If I want to get off I will. If I let them get off there are plenty of ways other then exchanging body fluids.




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