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Of Labor and Love - 2/4/2004 5:22:55 PM   
Erusvi


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This one's for my friends, the femme dommes:

Love.

That's a big fucking word, eh? Men have warred, empires have fallen, songs and art and fiction and films all hinge on our endless search for it.

So where does love fit into our dark, perverse little corner of the world? Have you ever loved a submissive man? Are you in love with your submissive now? What qualities of a submissive man endear him to your heart? And, perhaps most importantly, what does it mean to you, to love the man that serves you?

Something to ponder...

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RE: Of Labor and Love - 2/4/2004 10:25:08 PM   
msangel4u


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Love only makes the bond and hold I have over my partner that much stronger.

Love is not something that weakens a Dominant. Love empowers.

I have loved my property in the past and would not hesitate to do so again.

Some of the qualities that endear one to my heart are loyalty, honesty, passion for life, having the strength to be himself in service... So many things.

Perhaps Empires have fallen but I have not from the experience of loving.

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RE: Of Labor and Love - 2/5/2004 3:26:42 PM   
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Of Labor and Love


I will tell You Erusvi about love of Ones slave of slaves.
he now watches over My Home when I am far away even
tho he can barley get out of a chair, and I know that the
way I left it will be the way it will be when I return. No
question even that My other slaves will be kept in order
and they will be following My orders till My return under
his eye.

he held Me when I lost My belovid Master of 27 years and
looked past My shortcomming and temporary absence of
Dominance while I greived and told Me I would find tru love
again in another Dominant equal if not more then that I had lost,
till the pain subsided years down the road and I stood strong again,
and that he never had any doubts that I would take well care of
those whom were all now left with in My grasp of Dominance.

befor his stroke he stood at My side and seen that I was on time
to all My functions, he got all up and dressed and fed and seen
that those in My House were up and about as well and has done
this not only for the 28 years I have been in My Home but 37
more years or so in My Parents Home befor being gifted to Me
when I married where he has been My personal slave since My
birth and Jah forbid I cannot even begin to tell of the stories and
situations this slave has gotten Me out of as a Dominant child.

he has worked for and beside My belovid in Our Fishiing Boats,
Our Farm, Our Construction Company, Our Hotel and BDSM clubs
and outside Our Homes. and has always only given his opinion
when it was asked of him and it was always a sound voice which
spoke with simplicity softly.

he was born of a slave of My GranParents and like all children
with in Our Family is given the choice to go out on their own
when they turn 21 or stay with in a life of servitude and sign
a contract to such. he choose a life of servitude in slavery with
out question not once but twice when he signed Me and Mines
contract when he was gifted to Us by My Parents.

When I return home he can nolonger bow in My presance physically
but reaches out for My hands to kiss and rub against his cheek and
always asks in his whispy voice, how may dread serve You M'Lady?

There has not been no way that this slave has not served Me over
the years M/s or BDSM or S/m and I can tell you that to this day
he regrets not being with Me and Mine when We were shot so that
he could of taken the bullets that rang out on Us and he says so in
a prayer every day I am in his presance, so I have no doubt his life
he would of gave if given the chance for Me.

Of Labor and Love....... there is no more Labor and sacrifice then
that of a slave of slaves and there is no more Love I can give then
to care for him daily till he to passes just as he has cared for and
adored Me and speak of Our Lifestyle and Teach what We practice
within Our Alternate Lifestyle and speak his name daily as I carry
it now every where I go ...........dread

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RE: Of Labor and Love - 2/6/2004 6:00:49 AM   
MizSuz


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Erusvi

This one's for my friends, the femme dommes:

Love.

That's a big fucking word, eh? Men have warred, empires have fallen, songs and art and fiction and films all hinge on our endless search for it.

So where does love fit into our dark, perverse little corner of the world?




Erusvi:

I have long been of the opinion that, societally, love is defined incorrectly. Often when people speak of love they refer to the emotion that they feel about something or someone. For me that is a poor and diminished definition for such a glorious thing.

Emotion is a biochemical response in our body, and as those of us who are familiar with endorphin manipulation and the body/mind connect are aware, emotion can be manipulated.

I prefer to think of love as a verb. I believe that if love is not in action then it's not love, it's emotion. When I say this I do not mean to diminish the value of the emotion. Rather, to call attention to the need to project love outwardly rather than hold onto it as a personal experience.

Using my definition of love I believe that love is a great factor in my life, both giving and receiving, especially in my "dark, perverse little part of the world." How could I not see the giving of oneself, ones' will and choice, as anything less than love? How could I not see the sharing of our deepest, darkest parts, and our most basic vulnerabilities, as love? How could I not see the shared dance of S&M between friends as love?

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Have you ever loved a submissive man?


I like to believe that I have given love to every man or woman who has ever submitted to me. Often it manifests in different ways, perhaps more with one than with another, but I like to think that what I gave in return for their submission/love was love.

quote:


Are you in love with your submissive now? What qualities of a submissive man endear him to your heart? And, perhaps most importantly, what does it mean to you, to love the man that serves you?


I do not currently "own" a submissive (and haven't for some time). I do currently love, and am loved by, many who happen to be submissive.

I'm afraid I am out of time at the moment and can not answer your last two questions. I probably will not be able to for at least a week as I just discovered I have a family emergency and will be afk for a time.

I promise to revisit it. I'm looking forward to it.

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“The more you love, the more you can love—and the more intensely you love. Nor is there any limit on how many you can love. If a person had time enough, he could love all of that majority who are decent and just.”
- Robert Heinlein

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RE: Of Labor and Love - 2/6/2004 8:36:11 AM   
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May Your Family crisis be quickly resolved and painless Sis MS....

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RE: Of Labor and Love - 2/6/2004 10:31:05 AM   
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Wait, I agree with MisSuz -

Its not a sign of family crisis that a person has second thoughts to a mystical meaning to the word "Love"

From my thoughts, Love is really a mixture of 3 common Emotions that are commonly over looked. When Identifying relationships with others, especially in the Love catagory there is to be seen Commitment, Compatability and Passion. In a majority of quick relationships, these Emotions never get much past the Passion (or Lust) of a meeting. Compatability sparks into what can be a very long term relationship, if the two people can trust and build with one another, and Create Commitment.

Especially in BDSM its easy to see how Passion, Compatability and Commitment is not only common place but easy to attain, and so if you have a special submissive, Masters and Mistresses, then there is a good chance that you love them, just in a special way.

I would worry about someone who is scared of using the word love so scarcely - is there something not macho about loving someone so frail???

Just my two sense

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RE: Of Labor and Love - 2/22/2004 8:38:24 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MistressDREAD

May Your Family crisis be quickly resolved and painless Sis MS....



Dread:

Thank you for the kind wishes. It was quick (at least the crisis was) but not painless. Time will take care of that.

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“The more you love, the more you can love—and the more intensely you love. Nor is there any limit on how many you can love. If a person had time enough, he could love all of that majority who are decent and just.”
- Robert Heinlein

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RE: Of Labor and Love - 2/22/2004 9:24:37 AM   
MizSuz


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quote:

ORIGINAL: MizSuz

quote:

ORIGINAL: Erusvi

Are you in love with your submissive now? What qualities of a submissive man endear him to your heart? And, perhaps most importantly, what does it mean to you, to love the man that serves you?


I do not currently "own" a submissive (and haven't for some time). I do currently love, and am loved by, many who happen to be submissive.

I'm afraid I am out of time at the moment and can not answer your last two questions. I probably will not be able to for at least a week as I just discovered I have a family emergency and will be afk for a time.

I promise to revisit it. I'm looking forward to it.


The last two questions: "What qualities of a submissive man endear him to your heart?" and "And, perhaps most importantly, what does it mean to you, to love the man that serves you?" are what I address here (and are not all inclusive).

The qualities of a submissive man that endear him to my heart. What a wonderful way of putting that. I thought a lot about this question and realized that my struggle to define was because I was trying to pinpoint specific traits across the board when, as I have oft mentioned on these boards, I do not believe there are any cookie cutters (at least none that I've found work for me). I tend to try to find the beauty in the individual, searching for strengths and vulnerabilities for that one person, and then try to build a relationship around what I perceive are the needs and wants of the relationship. The qualities that endear me to one may be very different from the qualities that endear me to another.

Then I thought "surely there are things in general that attract me." The answer is yes there are and surprisingly few of them have to do with BDSM; rather, they are qualities that tend to permeate the individual and thereby effect his submission.

The usual standards apply. Honesty, integrity, commitment. I think of these as minimum standards. But what makes my heart skip, what catches my breath, what engenders awe and humility in me?

For a plethora of personal reasons that I won't go into here I have come to have a passion for what is called, in the self-help jargon of our time, self-actualization. In a previous thread ErusVI made some mention of "the mirror of self examination." It is very difficult for me to have deep and/or profound respect, especially in a personal relationship, for someone in which this mirror does not exist. He must have a passion for knowing himself and all his dark little corners. He must also have looked long and hard in this mirror, and come to love what he sees. Invariably this will be the person who, in the practice of his own self examination, will engender humility in me and often take my breath. From this comes the most profound gifts.

The by-product of this sort of self examination is self-esteem, confidence, quiet humility. Those are some of the outward manifestations that first attract me. It usually doesn't take very long to discern whether you are dealing with someone who has done the prerequisite self examination or one who has learned to project the appearance of the qualities alone (referencing self-esteem, confidence, humility). Usually those that are projecting the appearance miss the quiet humility.

What does it mean to me to love a submissive man? It means I have a passion for giving him a safe (although not necessarily easy) place from which to look in the mirror, and it means he is someone I know would (and could) do the same for me.

< Message edited by MizSuz -- 2/22/2004 10:10:34 AM >


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“The more you love, the more you can love—and the more intensely you love. Nor is there any limit on how many you can love. If a person had time enough, he could love all of that majority who are decent and just.”
- Robert Heinlein

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RE: Of Labor and Love - 2/22/2004 6:51:07 PM   
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I have loved slaves...love makes it a lot better, stronger, more erotic....I recently released a slave I was very much in love with because he couldn't serve Me the way I required. The combination of both-love and Ds-is magical, wonderful but also so rare. But when you have one without the other, it is often not fulfilling. I loved this boy, but he could not be what I needed him to be. One day, I'll find that right combination!

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RE: Of Labor and Love - 2/28/2004 5:07:07 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Erusvi



Have you ever loved a submissive man? Are you in love with your submissive now? What qualities of a submissive man endear him to your heart? And, perhaps most importantly, what does it mean to you, to love the man that serves you?

Something to ponder...


Yes. I loved my submissive so much that we were married 5 mths ago. It would have been sooner but I had a family crisis to deal with. The things I feel in love with immediately was his sincerity and his honesty. It means so much to have my submissive and my husband in one man. Keeps Me from finding satisfaction in an extramarital affair.

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RE: Of Labor and Love - 9/3/2007 2:55:42 AM   
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Sure, I could love a submissive, but I will not likely "be in love with" a sub.

I like smart, funny, thoughtful men of integrity who really like to fornicate.

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RE: Of Labor and Love - 9/3/2007 3:09:24 AM   
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My submissive is smart, funny, thoughtful and has all sorts of integrity and loves to fornicate.  lol  In love?  Oh yeah! lol  I'm having a blast!

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