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We`ll be right back with Dog the Bounty Hunter and his wife, Beth.
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BECK: All right. For the past three seasons, we have watched Duane Chapman, better known as Dog the Bounty Hunter, clean up the streets by capturing fugitives from justice, and here`s a look.
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DUANE CHAPMAN, DOG THE BOUNTY HUNTER: Come on, Mona Lisa, we`re coming through the door.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Watch your back.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mona Lisa, open the damn door. (INAUDIBLE) We know you`re in there.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`ve got a warrant for your arrest!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: One, two, three. Take it!
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BECK: Now, in a strange plot twist, the hunter has now become the hunted. Dog is being sought by the Mexican authorities for deprivation of liberty. Let me translate that, you know, from bull crap-to-English.
He captured Andrew Luster. This is a predatory monster who is hiding in Mexico after U.S. authorities charged him with 86 counts of rape. With more of the story now is Dog himself and his wife, Beth.
He was convicted of that, was he not?
BETH CHAPMAN, DOG CHAPMAN`S WIFE: He was convicted.
D. CHAPMAN: He was convicted of 86 counts of rape. Well, he was tried on 87. I believe he beat one case.
BECK: Oh, well, there you go.
B. CHAPMAN: Really good for you.
BECK: An innocent man. So now he was in Mexico. Everybody knew where he was. He was not hiding really in Mexico. You decided to go down and get him. What happened?
D. CHAPMAN: Well, we actually didn`t know exactly where he was. We had one of four places. We happened to luck upon him. We hired a police officer, took him to the police department. The next thing we knew, we were under arrest.
They said, well, he did not kidnap Andrew Luster, the Mexican government said, but they deprived him of his liberty. We said, well, what does that mean? Well, you held him against his will. Well, we`ll see about it later.
Our lawyer then said this is a minor crime, so did the judge in Mexico, said this is a very minor crime. Our lawyers said you may leave the country of Mexico; we`ll call you later for a fine. So we left. Adios, we shook hands. Everything was fine.
Three years later, over three-and-a-half years later, one night after we do an arrest right in the middle of filming of our show, the federal marshals knock on our door, they come in with warrants for Leland, my son, Tim Chapman, my brother, and, of course, myself for kidnapping and conspiracy to kidnap out of Mexico.
And we`re like, wait a minute. We were never charged with kidnapping. That was never even brought up. There`s no kidnapping even bail in Mexico. There`s not a bond set for kidnapping there. If you`re charged with it, you stay. So where did the kidnapping come from, we said? They said we don`t know.
So we`re still trying to find out right now. We just checked with the Mexican government, and they said, we didn`t change the charge. It`s still deprivation of liberty.
BECK: Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. The Mexican government didn`t add kidnapping?
D. CHAPMAN: No.
B. CHAPMAN: We don`t know if they did or not. We don`t know who added it. I know that, when I bailed him out of jail when I was standing in the U.S. marshals` office, he handed me a copy of Dog`s wanted poster. And he goes, oh, yes, we put kidnapping on there because nobody here knew what deprivation was. And at the time, I thought, you did what?
And so that stuck with me. And then, when I got back to our house, when we finally got him out of there, I said, that marshal said that he added kidnapping, because it was in parentheses. The Mexican language doesn`t have parentheses in it.
So we`re trying to find out, when the paperwork came over from Mexico, did someone add the words kidnapping? Because I think that a judge who is offered up paperwork and said, "Hey, this guy kidnapped and he conspired," hey we need a warrant to...
BECK: It`s gone from $130 in bail to how much?
B. CHAPMAN: Half a million.
D. CHAPMAN: To half a million.
BECK: Three years later.
D. CHAPMAN: Three years later.
BECK: And, you know, this is kind of why we`re doing this hour because, America, I`m telling you, something is -- something doesn`t smell right and it goes all the way to the White House. And I believe that our government -- I don`t know if it`s to big business, I don`t know what it is -- but somebody is selling us out, and we don`t know what it is.
You guys, can you -- I know you`re in the middle of all of this legally. Can you give me any theories that you think might have happened? Can you tell me -- there`s a theory out there that you were offered up in exchange for somebody else.
D. CHAPMAN: We`ve heard that, too, from 12 different drug lords.
BECK: Right. And the theory really comes from, we were holding these drug lords. Mexico wanted them back. When they served you, what was it, two days later, all of a sudden the drug lords go back?
B. CHAPMAN: Right.
D. CHAPMAN: Right. Well, what would Mexico want with us though? I can`t even speak Spanish. I mean, I don`t think -- in a political or financial way in Mexico, I would not be any -- you know, I couldn`t do anything for their country.
I don`t think it`s Mexico. I don`t think Mexico wants the Dog down there. Mexico sent to the White House, like they always do, a request for deprivation of liberty, which is a minor misdemeanor. They expected it to be turned down, which they`ve turned down thousands of them.
B. CHAPMAN: They have never, ever requested someone be returned to Mexico for deprivation of liberty, ever. It is such a minor crime in their country that they don`t even charge people with it.
There`s thousands of Americans that leave Mexico every day that are charged with deprivation of liberty, because, you know, there`s some things that go on in Mexico where, you know, you hold someone for five seconds, "Hey, lady, you`re not leaving yet," that`s deprivation of liberty.
So there is no dual illegality, which is the second thing that it must be for there to be an extradition. Because here in America, I`m not depriving you of your liberty and I`m not falsely imprisoning you if you`re a wanted fugitive. And he was more than a wanted fugitive, Glenn, because he had been convicted in absentia, so that made him an escaped prisoner from the California penal institute.
D. CHAPMAN: In other words, it has to be illegal in Mexico and illegal in America for what we did. Would it have been illegal for us to grab Andrew Luster with the policemen`s help? No. It must fit under that criteria to fit under that particular treaty.
And then the treaty just covers police officers. It says nothing about private citizens, citizens` arrest.
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D. CHAPMAN: Then also, the third thing that I`d like to bring up, under the Mexican constitution, their 16th amendment says, just like America`s, if you see a felony happening, you, as a citizen of Mexico, which we are when we go there legally, may arrest that person and hold him for a real cop.
B. CHAPMAN: If you see a crime being committed.
D. CHAPMAN: Andrew Luster was arrested by the Mexican government along with us. In his possession at his house, he had GHB, he had handcuffs, and he had videotapes. They said this guy was doing the same thing he was doing in America. Now, that meant that, under their constitution, we did nothing but a citizen`s arrest.
B. CHAPMAN: We had a right to make a citizen`s arrest.
BECK: So this doesn`t make sense. So, again, let me come back, because I`ve got news for you, Dog. I think you`re wanted in Mexico. You`re wanted by the people in jail. I don`t think you`d last a day in jail, do you, in Mexico?
D. CHAPMAN: No, I don`t think so.
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BECK: I mean, it`s a nightmare.
B. CHAPMAN: They`re taking my children and my family, and they`re leaving 12 children that Dog has and three children that Tim has and the two children that Leland has, and they`re leaving 16 children fatherless, for, what, the government of America (INAUDIBLE) you know, the other thing is that we the taxpayers are paying for this extradition proceeding. Why are we using America`s money to prosecute three Americans on behalf of Mexico?
BECK: OK. We`re going to continue this, and I want to get your thoughts on why you think this is possibly happening. And then I want to talk to you because, what it is, 12 children, just too many children.
D. CHAPMAN: OK.
BECK: We`ll be back in just a second with Dog the Bounty Hunter and his wife.
B. CHAPMAN: Something causes that, Glenn.
BECK: I know. I`ve heard that...
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BECK: Hola, "Mehiho." I`m glad to see that you`ve gone the extra mile to continue your prosecution of Duane "Dog" Chapman. He is Dog the Bounty Hunter. Dog went down to Mexico to get the serial rapist, Andrew Luster. And he went down there, and apparently old "Mehiho" didn`t appreciate Dog taking the rapist off the streets. I know, I know. Technically, it was illegal.
Oh, I`d say, come on, guys, can`t you give us a break on this one? Anywho, we`ll try to stop getting rapists off your streets, Mexico, because they`re your streets. We respect you.
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BECK: This is the most mixed up story, and something doesn`t smell right, as it doesn`t with all of the stuff that`s going on with Mexico and our government right now and the border mess.
D. CHAPMAN: Amen.
BECK: Luster, nasty, nasty guy.
B. CHAPMAN: Despicable.
BECK: And worth a fortune.
B. CHAPMAN: Yes.
D. CHAPMAN: Correct.
BECK: When you first went after him, did you know what you were getting into?
D. CHAPMAN: Well, we knew that, you know, he had allegedly $30 million, would be hard to find. We said, you know, that`s fine with us. We can catch him. Now I`m beginning to understand where that $30 million is...
B. CHAPMAN: Coming into play.
D. CHAPMAN: ... what they meant about that, because something is going on here. Why would Mexico want us back when they captured him with the date rape drug, the police did, with handcuffs, and a camera, and a note that was asking in Spanish, "How do you take your shirt off?"
So they knew what he was doing. Why would Mexico want him -- you know, why would Mexico want us for taking a predator off the streets here?
BECK: But it`s not really -- it`s not Mexico. Mexico says the victim --hang on, America. Blood will shoot right directly out of your eyes. Remember the guy was convicted for 86 rapes. Mexico says they don`t care. They love you.
D. CHAPMAN: Correct.
BECK: The victim is?
D. CHAPMAN: Andrew Stuart Luster.
BECK: The rapist?
D. CHAPMAN: Correct.
B. CHAPMAN: And he originally filed his complaint under the name David Carrera. And I though, that`s great. Produce David Carrera. If I`m going to have my chance to meet my accuser, produce David Carrera.
D. CHAPMAN: So David Carrera was his alias. Unbelievably, what got Luster in the end was his arrogance. Carrera means on the run, so David Luster on the run...
BECK: This guy...
B. CHAPMAN: Yes, yes, arrogant.
BECK: ... has, I mean, big ones.
D. CHAPMAN: Absolutely.
B. CHAPMAN: I think he had small ones though, that was the problem. That was the rape.
BECK: We don`t need to go into that.
B. CHAPMAN: OK.
BECK: So who do you think -- who do you think, if you had to say, black hats, who`s -- is it us? Is it Mexico? Is it Luster? Is it a combination of everything? What is it?
D. CHAPMAN: I wouldn`t think it would be Mexico, and I hope to God it`s not us. I think it`s someone in the Luster realm that doesn`t like us. And I think a human error was made just like we would translate "bullet" into "rocket," OK, or "assault" into "murder." I mean, deprivation of liberty is a minor offense. Kidnapping is not.
BECK: When do you find out?
B. CHAPMAN: Six to eight weeks. But if you ask my opinion who it was, I think there was some terrible, terrible screw-up, either in the State Department or in Condoleezza Rice`s office. And I think that somebody legitimately did not understand the word "deprivation of liberty," and they wrote down the word "kidnapping," not understanding the ramifications of what those words would mean. And the reality is that this thing, the statute of limitations on this thing, Glenn, expired in June of 2006.
D. CHAPMAN: We were arrested...
B. CHAPMAN: We were arrested September 14th of 2006.
BECK: I think I have Condoleezza Rice on in the next few days or few weeks. I`ll ask her about it.
D. CHAPMAN: I bet they brought it to her as a kidnapping case. Listen, a hometown paper that I used to live in Texas said that Dog the Bounty Hunter entered the border with Andrew Luster, naked, bound and gagged in the trunk.
Everybody thought this is a great Hollywood script. This is great. No one wrote the real -- you know, we showed up with the cops. We took him to the jail, and we got thrown in jail. They wanted it to be more than it was.
This is unbelievable. From $130 bond, Glenn, to over half a million, and everybody is -- oh, the Mexicans need money. It`s not the Mexicans that need money. It`s America that`s robbing us. It`s not Mexico.
B. CHAPMAN: Because Mexico is not getting the money for the ankle bracelet. Mexico is not getting the money that he has to pay pre-trial services. Mexico is not getting the half-a-million-dollar bail money. You know, Mexico isn`t getting those things. America is.
BECK: I have to tell you, you know, the thing I hate about television, especially when I do these interviews, is I have the opportunity -- and I`ve actually gone home to my wife and I`ve said, "Honey, watch this, you`ve got to watch this scene. You can see it in their eyes," you know what I mean?
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BECK: And it`s just -- it`s a moment where I`ve been sitting across the table and I went, "Oh, my gosh, they don`t believe this. They`re lying," or whatever.
D. CHAPMAN: Right, right.
BECK: And I`ve gone home and I`ve said, "Watch this, honey," and you can`t see it on television. I`m telling you, America. I`m looking these guys in the eyes. This is real; this is legit.
D. CHAPMAN: And we know what you mean, because when we get someone in the car and the guy says, "Dog, I`m sorry, I didn`t mean to do it," and I`m like, "Honey, watch this guy, baby. He didn`t mean to do it. Let`s get the guy back out. He made a mistake," so we understand exactly what you mean.
BECK: So how stressed are you? What does this mean? If you go down there, I mean, good luck in a Mexican jail.
D. CHAPMAN: Listen, an American jail, they couldn`t find nowhere to put me. In my own country, they said, "We`ve got to put you in the shoe," where these officers are being held now. That is torture. That is torture. So in another country...
B. CHAPMAN: They`re strip searching these men every nine yards. Every time they go somewhere, they strip search them...
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D. CHAPMAN: Unbelievable what they do to you.
BECK: The three border guards that we just...
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D. CHAPMAN: They`re in the shoe, it`s called. It`s unbelievable.
B. CHAPMAN: They did it with Duane and Tim and Leland, and every five feet that they took, they strip searched them again.
BECK: You know, let me just talk to my producers here. Will somebody remind me we`re doing a block on that? I want to know about the shoe. We`ll expose that.
OK, so, here in the country...
D. CHAPMAN: In our America, there was nowhere to put us, so let`s pretend like we`re going to another country who may not like me being a bounty hunter. What`s going to happen there? Is there a shoe there? No, there`s population.
BECK: How stressed are you?
B. CHAPMAN: Very. I`m in fear for my husband`s life. I`m in fear for my son`s life. I don`t know what will -- you know, there`s 16 children between the three men. And I thought that, you know, when we caught Luster it was a long shot, and we spent every penny we had to catch Luster.
BECK: Are you guys doing any more of this on your show? I mean, do you follow this?
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B. CHAPMAN: A little bit.
BECK: A little bit. Your show just debuted.
D. CHAPMAN: Our fourth season set records. It was fantastic. And this week, this Tuesday has a little bit of the fight for freedom, A&E has called it. We do it every day, brother. We live it. We breathe it. You put handcuffs on someone now, you`re like, "Are they tight enough? Get this guy a water." You know, it`s like, Dog, where am I going? You`re going to jail. Relax, let me tell you.
I mean, yes, it`s affected us. Something great happens in your life, and then this thing goes -- you may be in Mexico prison. I mean, it`s like there`s no explanation to it.
BECK: How can somebody help, somebody who`s watching right now? What can they do?
B. CHAPMAN: Well, on our Web site, dogthebountyhunter.com, there`s a letter that has been drafted through Congress that is a request to the Mexico president to withdraw these extradition cases. We need every single person in America to sign this, and we also need them to urge their congressmen, their representatives to also sign on.
We need help. I mean, we are a family of three heroes that went to Mexico and did something that was absolutely just and right. They spent their own time, their own money. They did something great for those three women. Those three women set up a defense fund for them. Those three women are horrified that this is happening now, when my husband, and my son, and my brother went down there to do something for them.
And it`s just not right that, in America, where people help each other, and there are crimes being committed every day on the streets, and good Samaritans jump in and help, and if we start prosecuting our good Samaritans and start going, oh, we`ll send them back to another country, we`re sending the wrong message.
BECK: We`d love to have you guys on the radio show, and we`ll continue this. Reminder, a fourth season of Dog`s show airs Tuesdays on A&E. Check it out. Back in a minute.