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Masque66 -> Substance (6/6/2007 12:22:05 AM)
So it's not that uncommon to be browsing photos and see a sub who desires to be a slave used for everything and made into an object with no aspect of themselves at all. Is this really that appealing? The fun for me isn't in taking a fucktoy and making her a fucktoy, it's in taking an intelligent and interesting woman and making her into a fucktoy. It's only funny if the man with dignity gets hit with the pie, after all. Just considering this. Of course I could be mistaken, perhaps these slaves have simply gone so far that nothing moves them anymore.

AquaticSub -> RE: Substance (6/6/2007 4:58:57 AM)
I really think it's a preference thing.

tricia -> RE: Substance (6/6/2007 5:11:15 AM)
While i believe a no limits slave exists - i don't necessarily believe a no limits slave without a Master exists.

DiurnalVampire -> RE: Substance (6/6/2007 5:16:01 AM)
For some, they are aalready slaves and looking for Masters or Mistresses to complete them. Others are still wanting to be broken. If you get your challenge and enjoyment from the breaking then thats what works for you. But there are many out there, myself included, who wants someone to willingly give themselves from day one, not to have to struggle to break their spirit before making them my own. As with everything in this lifestyle, different strokes for different folks. DV

Masque66 -> RE: Substance (6/6/2007 5:25:20 AM)
Yeah, I can see how that would appeal. It's more the quality of the ads. Most of the advice I've read has suggested putting more than my d/s interests into my personal ad. So seeing a sub/slave who appears to have no interests or opinions beyond it strikes me as odd.

earthycouple -> RE: Substance (6/6/2007 5:30:37 AM)
I can't imagine breaking anyone. A snivelling pile of jello in the corner does not appeal to me. I want Robert to think, act, feel, want, need, love, and hurt. He calls himself my slave and in his mind I completely and totally own him. I know he would do exactly as I say at anytime,whether he likes it or not. Though it matters to me what he thinks and I want him to problem solve, feel productive, have a life, work outside the home, build friendships and enjoy life to the fullest; not live life under a cloud of "would Mistress be mad if...." Of course that's in his mind somewhere always, but I prefer to think it sounds more like "is this in the vein of how Mistress sees me...." then he makes a choice vs, feels he has no options.

Celeste43 -> RE: Substance (6/6/2007 5:33:02 AM)
I've always assumed that someone wanting to be without limits was someone with no real experience. In reality we all have some, either things that make us go screaming into the night or just a minor physical problem or two. People with some experience will know this and be able to say that their left wrist goes numb in seconds so please move the rope up to the forearm (as an example).

sublimelysensual -> RE: Substance (6/6/2007 5:36:32 AM)
Normally I wouldn't post here since I figure if someone wanted an s-types opinion they would post on that board, but in this case, it seemed relevant, so. I identify myself as slave. I know what I want, what my needs are, and I'm beyond the point of fighting them now. That being said, it doesn't mean I'm automatically going to completely and totally submit to someone from day one of the relationship, or turn into a fucktoy with no motivation..encouragement, whatever you want to call it. It means that with the right person, the evolution of the relationship is going to lead to someone owning a loving, devoted, non-bratty, non-argumentative, trusting woman to call His own, that would do anything to please Him (short of risking life & limb, etc). Also, being slave doesn't mean I don't have opinions, love a good debate, or have any interests of my own, to me, it's more a matter of knowing when it's appropriate to let those things out, and when to keep my mouth shut. I think a lot of girls post the things they think are relevant lifestyle-wise on their profiles, knowing that's what a lot of people are looking at, and I'm sure they probably don't mean to come off robotic or lacking personality or whatever. (laughs- though there are some people that could use a personality injection)..anyway, just my two cents, you can't always judge a book by its' cover, though I'll admit here that is the first impression, and that makes it a bit more complicated. -thinking maybe I shouldn't post so early in the morning, lol- -a

toservez -> RE: Substance (6/6/2007 7:30:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Masque66 Of course I could be mistaken, perhaps these slaves have simply gone so far that nothing moves them anymore. Or maybe they know themselves what they enjoy and this type of thing sets them free and they can still be very much interesting and intelligent people? It is like most things it is about personal preference, perspective and filtered with a healthy mind. Are there people looking for that magic pill of I want to completely change myself so objectification on a severe level appeals to them greatly, of course. Are there people looking that write in a severe way are living more in fantasy land then real world, of course as well. That does not make though every one who claims to want this as unintelligent and boring human beings. It is about perspective and preference, do they at all time want to be mindless human beings or are they just expressing how much they enjoy that aspect and have emphasized it in their profile to find someone into objectification on a significant level. I think there are many intelligent and interesting submissives that enjoy deep objectification. I would like to think as myself as one. At the same time I cannot help and read your post and think you would just have trouble with an experienced submissive and part of your interest is in newness. Nothing wrong with that, but again perspective and preference and good points and bad points, find someone who knows themselves and what they are into and get a person less likely to go this is not for me but do not get to maybe see the self discovery and emotions of submitting to something for the first time, or find a person with little or no experience who you can see the new emotions but maybe get someone that goes, sorry this is not for me.

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Substance (6/6/2007 7:32:05 AM)
Whatever works for you. Very few people actually want to be a fucktoy 24/7 to anyone who passes by. What will you do when you come across a smart intelligent funny girl who ALREADY enjoys being a fuck toy? Is the kink the transitioning (a common kink) or is it the enjoyment of the dichotomy? Of course, I'm a proud, fulfilled, adorable fucktoy who also happens to really dig humiliation. It's interesting to see which doms handle taking something a girl is proud and secure in and STILL being able to humiliate her over it...and which doms can't.

SimplyMichael -> RE: Substance (6/6/2007 9:39:13 AM)
I have always believed that many (which of course means that if you are an exception I am NOT fucking talking about you) of the short profiles asking for the more extreme things, especially those accompanied by a single picture of a hot chick, belong to guys pretending to be women.

SirDominic -> RE: Substance (6/6/2007 10:23:42 AM)
Took the words right out of my mouth, Michael. Some of these "do any dirty, filthy, disgusting thing to me" profiles are hilarious. Yeah there are exceptions, but a great many of them are really just guys. Namaste, Dominic

BrutalMasterOne -> RE: Substance (6/6/2007 10:23:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Masque66 So it's not that uncommon to be browsing photos and see a sub who desires to be a slave used for everything and made into an object with no aspect of themselves at all. Is this really that appealing? The fun for me isn't in taking a fucktoy and making her a fucktoy, it's in taking an intelligent and interesting woman and making her into a fucktoy. It's only funny if the man with dignity gets hit with the pie, after all. Just considering this. Of course I could be mistaken, perhaps these slaves have simply gone so far that nothing moves them anymore. Ah but once you make her into a fucktoy then you are right back to square one. I enjoy having a woman KNOW that she is mine, but as I often say (even while torturing and/or humiliating them) the slave has to be a good companion too. It is so much easier for a control freak like me to be a Master than it is for the slave to be a good slave. After all, I am in control and she has to rock and roll with the changes, etc. Good slaves are rare and a broken slave cannot (as I see it) be a good slave

Masque66 -> RE: Substance (6/6/2007 11:34:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BrutalMasterOne Ah but once you make her into a fucktoy then you are right back to square one. I enjoy having a woman KNOW that she is mine, but as I often say (even while torturing and/or humiliating them) the slave has to be a good companion too. It is so much easier for a control freak like me to be a Master than it is for the slave to be a good slave. After all, I am in control and she has to rock and roll with the changes, etc. Good slaves are rare and a broken slave cannot (as I see it) be a good slave Ah, but not quite! You see at that point I have both, an interesting intelligent fucktoy. I'm not saying the ones writing profiles of this sort are not intelligent. But as Michael noted regarding the likelihood that they're actually men, something is wrong with the picture. You are right about a broken slave not being a good slave. I see it that way, as well. But I don't see it as breaking, more like bending. Or molding perhaps.

AquaticSub -> RE: Substance (6/6/2007 11:44:03 AM)
I'm not sure how to respond to this "already made into a fucktoy issue." If something happens and I lose Valyraen (please God forbid) then I'd already know I like being used as a fucktoy. And I'd probably put it in my profile because if a dominant isn't interested in that, then I don't know how interested I am in them. I'd never really thought about how already knowing what I like could decrease my appeal. I guess it's like the people who don't want to be with you if you've had more then one partner, regardless of you come clean on a full battery of tests.

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Substance (6/6/2007 11:52:43 AM)
A lot of people have a "make over" or "virgin" kink in itself. They love taking someone who is totally new/novice/virgin and carrying them through their first dips and exploration. Unfortuantely, once that's done, they are onto the next new girl to get their kink on. The transition/make over kink is a similar issue.

OwnerandUser -> RE: Substance (6/6/2007 11:55:48 AM)
I'll just drop into the pot that I truly enjoy owning and using a fucktoy. Empty eyes are hot.

AquaticSub -> RE: Substance (6/6/2007 11:58:56 AM)
I knew about the "virgin" kink, but not this "transition" or "make over" kink. I mean, I can definately understand the sex appeal of showing this sort of thing to someone for the first time. But it probably shouldn't bother me too much. Having been with both virgins and me, Valyraen actually prefers that I've got a lot of sexual experience. He can't be the only dominant in the world to prefer that! [:)]

Masque66 -> RE: Substance (6/6/2007 4:22:24 PM)
Hadn't really thought about that. And it could simply be that I'm not yet very experienced in the lifestyle. As someone new someone who is new definitely appeals to me. But I disagree on the 'empty eyes'. I wouldn't be interested in someone who had nothing running behind them.

stella40 -> RE: Substance (6/6/2007 5:08:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Masque66 So it's not that uncommon to be browsing photos and see a sub who desires to be a slave used for everything and made into an object with no aspect of themselves at all. True. quote: ORIGINAL: Masque66 Is this really that appealing? Maybe not to you, it isn't to me, but obviously to her it is. Otherwise she would have written a different profile. quote: ORIGINAL: Masque66 The fun for me isn't in taking a fucktoy and making her a fucktoy, it's in taking an intelligent and interesting woman and making her into a fucktoy. It's only funny if the man with dignity gets hit with the pie, after all. Okay. Really nice to see a Dom who knows what he's into. quote: ORIGINAL: Masque66 Just considering this. Okay. Knowing what you are not into is just as important as knowing what you are into. Sometimes when we browse profiles we often have to stop and think and ask ourselves various questions. It feeds the imagination. quote: ORIGINAL: Masque66 Of course I could be mistaken, perhaps these slaves have simply gone so far that nothing moves them anymore. You probably might be mistaken. The only way of finding out of course is to send a message and ask her. She might be mistaken, she might not. She may have a perfectly valid reaon for wanting to be treated in such a way. She may just be into being treated that way. She also might be responding to the fantasy and illusion of wanting to be broken and used in such a way, but when it comes to reality she may reconsider her needs and come up with the right needs. She may be wanting to get over a bad experience, or to change something about her which she hates and she may feel that if she is broken and reconstructed by an experienced, intelligent Dom it might just be a solution. It could be any one of a number of reasons we could all speculate, but I guess the only one who knows the real answer is she who wrote the profile.

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