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Termyn8or -> Cage safety (6/6/2007 3:11:22 PM)

Re the thread about cage time.

There was a mention of a guy who comes home to find Wifey (or whoever) dead in the cage he left her in. On that thread I have described my opinion of such an experience, so I won't be redundant.

Something I noticed last hotel I was at was the magnetic locks for the exterior back door. We were given cards to be able to pop out for a quick smoke as we were using the conference room. I noticed how strong it was. This one was at the bottom of the door and man was it hard to open. I forgot my card once and I did do it, but that doesn't mean anyone else could. I'm sure some could, but it was fairly strong.

So I researched these things on the net a bit and found them. with the plates in contact they have like 150 lb models, 300 lb models and like that. They also give the current drain, many are simply 120 VAC. And we're talking milliamps on some of them, they pride themselves on being efficient, especially since they must be rated continuous duty.

Anyway, depending on electricity is not always a good thing. I am an electronics tech and almost an engineer and have built things that work(ed). Among them audio amps, various power supplies and a few specialised test jigs for my work, at work.

I know the one thing that I think, and believe to be true, and I have arrived at this conclusion through careful thought ;

It is much better to make your life dependent upon the LACK of electricity than the presence of it doing some specific work.

Now at a building they might use a battery backup for them, but you simply don't do that.

Now, the boilers and shit my buddy works on in the HVAC field have all the safeties in series, for those unfamiliar with the term, daisy-chained, like the lights on some Christmas tree light strings. If you pull one they all go out. That's how the flasher bulb works.

So, the thing to do is to prevent escape by using elecricity, motors and gears fuck up, but a mag lock will not fail to release in the absence of applied power. And that is not all. Read on.

Not only is the sub released in the event of a power outage, YOU can setup many many limit switches so to speak. All they have to depend on is BREAKING an electrical circuit. This can be tied to all kinds of stuff, I mean you can do just about everything.

From ice that melts resulting in the breaking of the connection by felling a weight across a merely twisted pair of wires, which helps in a fire, and provides a time limit in case Master gets killed in a car crash on the way home. You can set it for days by using a big enough piece of ice, plus as one mentioned if the AC goes out, the release time will be advanced.

And I know the gear exists to trigger a sprinkler system off of smoke detectors, I don't even have to look. If noone has invented it yet YEEHAA I can make some money I guess. Hell, wired smoke detectors have the trigger line. I know I can find a way to trigger a release off that. Piece of cake.

It wouldn't be hard, like down south, to have a float in the basement which will break the circuit if it starts to flood.

Thing to remember is that anything that restrains her to something stationary must release at the same time. This is not true of certain restraints.

This is like a balance between safety and experience. I believe that it is not bondage if you can get out, but dying is not good. With certain "failsafes" in place though, it can be done. No way out, if nothing happens that ice could last for days on end. At that point you would be worried about your Master, if he is alive he actually does have some explaining to do, no matter who's boss.

Hell trigger it to the alarm system as well, and if someone breaks in she could go grab the gun.

Now I could see this lol. She's in a NS chastity belt and bra with the education shield with her wrists chained by like 6" chains to the waisband, wielding a shotgun. Get a handgun maybe, but she can't aim it right. You have to measure your cheapest shotgun and make sure she can at least fire it from the calf.

Tell her to stay in that room, which should be fairly soundproof. If she kills the intruders call you first. You get home now and release her from everything, game over. When you shoot someone they are likely to put you in jail for three days pending investigation. They will look to see if you know the perps mainly, and your record in general.

If some shit happened like that I would, and tell her to, be totally upfront about it. She just killed a couple of burglars and called me before calling the cops. That needs explaining. It was a bondage session, the automatic system released me enough to defend myself but not completely, and I needed him to get home ASAP to release me from the rest of it. We wanted to avoid these questions but, oh well. They aren't getting any deader. Nothing has been touched after the fact.

Also with these mag locks, she needn't be in a cage at all. A chain will do. Just make it so she can't get to the wires, whether by conduit or using really tough wire and no access to tools.

However she is still as safe as the situation allows.

Logic dictates that failure is easier to achieve than success, so in this matter we depend on failure, logically

Of course all the devices need to be designed so that if they fail they induce failure of the lock current.

Food for thought, bon appetite. I'll be waiting for the other evil geniuses to emerge here.

T




Kurzon -> RE: Cage safety (6/6/2007 3:19:24 PM)

very good - but as a former installer of access control systems(mag-lock doors) you need to be sure you use a "failsafe" lock and not a "failsecure" lock with a "failsecure" lock, in the event of power loss a lock pin drops in place and creates a physical lock with no need for power




Kurzon -> RE: Cage safety (6/6/2007 3:25:39 PM)

it is also important to note that many door mag-locks are designed for use on fire exits doors that have no outside handles, and are built with interrupter circuits that  engage after 60 seconds(this is normally adjustable form 30 sec to 120 sec)of constant pressure against the lock it disengages so that people will not be trapped inside during a fire




Termyn8or -> RE: Cage safety (6/6/2007 3:51:09 PM)

Important points Kurz, so we need failsafe ones NOT designed for fire exits. Stay away from the failsecure type. Gotcha.

I went with this rather than a homebrew failsafe type thing because release would be faster. To say take a solenoid with keys for example, and make it drop the keys, there are some variables. You don't know what the environment will be like at the time. She could be waking from a nap in a smoke filled room or in water up to her neck.

I fugred the mag lock does not depend on any other mechanism, and the system probably could be designed to prevent the captive from putting any signigicant strength into stressing the lock, but it would probably be better to leave that safety out. Unless you design it so it is very difficult to do, and they cannot get back in resulting in discovery. The simple lack of keys to the cuffs would do it. They maight be released for escape purposes, but if she can't remove them she cannot get back to how you left her.

However that was not the idea. Real bondage was the idea.

I still think the best way to do it is with mag locks with the safeties, I just don't think we are going to find a better solution. I don't think one exists, even with the Master standing right there, he could keel over from a heart attack. Then what ? Know CPR ? Too bad.

This is a game pitting one against fate. I think the utmost care must be used in choosing one's moves. The mag lock fits the bill very closely.

Thanks, I will stay away from the failsecure type. Damn that would about be a bitch wouldn't it ? I could see the investigators now, "Yup. dumbass used the M220B instead of the M220A".

I'll say it again, be fucking careful.

T




Kurzon -> RE: Cage safety (6/6/2007 4:00:06 PM)

honestly the easies method for the "home brew" crowd would be a garge door opener - verry easily modified to control almost any opening and verry esay to wire into an alarm system - just a pair of wires to the hard wire inputs( where to wires from the wall button go) to an output trip on the pannel - they all have at least 1





Termyn8or -> RE: Cage safety (6/6/2007 4:06:34 PM)

But it requires electricity, we don't want "failsecure".

T




Kurzon -> RE: Cage safety (6/6/2007 4:11:40 PM)

true - but the motor is run by 12vdc witch can be drawn from the alarm panel with a second pair of wires - and your alarm panel will have a min of 4 hr backup and can be programed to release on loss of ac

(edit)of course this would require having your alarm company reprograming your panel - unless you know someone like me who could do it for you




Termyn8or -> RE: Cage safety (6/6/2007 9:30:03 PM)

I could figure it out, but what I am saying is that a DIRECT IMMEDIATE RELEASE is a good thing no ?

Using a motor is not wise, using anything that needs to be energized it not good. Good are the things that need to be de-energized. If you can assure, by the laws of physics, that if the current stops to the magnet and the captive is released, that is as much as is humanly possible with today's technology.

An eletromagnet has no moving parts, so it is inherently more reliable. All these motors and shit would complicate things. Fuck all that, need those door things, current is gone they open. Simple, and simplicity is the key to success.

It could be as simple as the cage opening and the captive having access to the keys to the rest of it, but not in the cage.

Something that simple could satisfy SSC principles if implemented properly. If done right the mag lock is, IMO, the best option.

That's my two cents for the day.

T




understeer -> RE: Cage safety (6/7/2007 6:47:08 AM)

I'm really liking this idea.  I might need to do some thinking.  Heh.




Archer -> RE: Cage safety (6/7/2007 8:19:53 AM)

See now this is what I was hopeing would happen when I brought out the potential danger.
Someone would engineer a way around it.

Love the electromagnetic lock failsafe.




Termyn8or -> RE: Cage safety (6/7/2007 4:48:06 PM)

Y'know this can apply to different forms of bondage as well.

T




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