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Vegan BDSM Gear - 5/27/2005 11:17:25 PM   
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RE: Vegan BDSM Gear - 5/27/2005 11:30:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		The stuff looks decent enough, but nothing will ever match the smell and feel of leather.

Besides, cows are yummy.

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RE: Vegan BDSM Gear - 5/28/2005 9:29:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here's something I don't quite understand...
Most vegans I have ever met have been as resolute in their support of the environment as they are in their support of animal rights.

So why would vegans use materials such as Lorica?

"Lorica's chemical composition is 50% polyamide microfiber and 50% polyurethane." (A description of the material from the link above) Both of these materials are petroleum based and not biodegradable.

So Vegan Dom A and Vegan sub b play with lorica made toys.

Toys break due to normal wear and tear.

Toys are then discarded into the trash.

Trash goes to landfill.

200 years later, a cute little spotted owl, the last of it's kind, swoops down upon the landfill, thinking that a lorica chastity belt is a mouse.

Owl chokes to death, eliminating its species from the face of the earth.

I'm really not mocking vegans here, but when I see inconsistencies in behavior of individuals or groups, I tend to point it out.



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RE: Vegan BDSM Gear - 5/28/2005 9:52:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		I once read something funny about leather:

I don't support the killing of animals for their hides, but it just seems like such a waste to throw it away after you scoop the meat out.

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RE: Vegan BDSM Gear - 5/28/2005 1:05:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah I find that weird too... my Dom is a vegetarian yet sends me these beautiful cuffs and collar made of the softest leather... I'm a little confused...

I eat the animals, and I wear the skin as well. Maybe that's cause I grew up in the country and milked the cows, caught the fish, etc...

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RE: Vegan BDSM Gear - 5/30/2005 8:18:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		I do not find that strange at all myself and my partner are both vegetarian and I myself was once Vegan. Though I do not have a problem using leather. There is a no win situation as far as rights, well this it is a conundrum that I myself care about how animals are treated and put down but I would not hesitate to take down and punish my partner for our mutual pleasure. Go figure.

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RE: Vegan BDSM Gear - 5/31/2005 7:42:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Because the production of leather is more hazadous and polluting than the modern synthetic versions such as lorica once you take into account the process that goes into leather production.Veganism, vegetarianism and environmentalism isn't about the perfect way, because they can't always be found, but they are about finding the best alternative.

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RE: Vegan BDSM Gear - 5/31/2005 7:45:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		Vegetarians do not consume meat or meat by-products<geltine>but some do consume animal products like milk and cheese because its seen as not harming to an animal. But it is mainly a food thing, nothing to do with clothing.Vegans do not eat any animal products or wear clothing products.

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RE: Vegan BDSM Gear - 6/17/2005 8:34:21 PM   
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Besides, cows are yummy.



LMFAO!!!!!

Hey I'm a vegan!! But I'm just a dietary vegan. ::: waits for the jaw to drop :::
Most vegans dislike this, but I just do it to be healthy. I love my leather flogger. But I'd try a vegan one. I like the feel more than the smell.

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RE: Vegan BDSM Gear - 6/17/2005 8:58:01 PM   
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Hey I'm a vegan!! But I'm just a dietary vegan. ::: waits for the jaw to drop :::
Most vegans dislike this, but I just do it to be healthy. I love my leather flogger.

If that's the case, you're not a vegan, you're a vegetarian.

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RE: Vegan BDSM Gear - 6/17/2005 9:50:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		Noooo a vegan does not eat anything that comes from an animal nor animal derivitives. They are the strictest of the vegetarians. Animal rights activists take it a step further and wear nothing made of animal skins, products etc.. Meaning make-up, their cars have no leather, and if they're crazy vegans they wont even use photography film as it contains geletain.

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RE: Vegan BDSM Gear - 6/18/2005 6:29:10 AM   
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Noooo a vegan does not eat anything that comes from an animal nor animal derivitives. They are the strictest of the vegetarians. Animal rights activists take it a step further and wear nothing made of animal skins, products etc.. Meaning make-up, their cars have no leather, and if they're crazy vegans they wont even use photography film as it contains geletain.

Your definition of vegan is quite diferent from the one I have always heard and the one the the folks at vegan.org use.

"what is a VEGAN? A vegan (pronounced VEE-gun) is someone who, for various reasons, chooses to avoid using or consuming animal products. While vegetarians choose not to use flesh foods, vegans also avoid dairy and eggs, as well as fur, leather, wool, down, and cosmetics or chemical products tested on animals."

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RE: Vegan BDSM Gear - 6/18/2005 8:03:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		Usually when someone says they are vegan it means that they are a strict dietary vegan. However there are some that are hardcore vegans meaning they do try to stay away from non-vegan products outside of food. But it is immpossible to be COMPLETLEY vegan because even in everday life we all come in contact with things that are not vegan like: taking a ride in someones car with leather seats, taking pictures on a vacation, making sure the containers vegan products are in are vegan as well, and when you get ill the meds you take are vegan. It's sooo hard to be a hardcore vegan. I tried it once and man it got pricey. LOL! But all the cosmetic and hair care stuff feel so much better than the non-vegan products. I think I'll make a trip to the health food store today. Now you got me wanting new make-up.

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RE: Vegan BDSM Gear - 6/18/2005 8:05:59 AM   
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But no sheep are harmed in the production of wool. And it is a renewable resource.

I don't understand the anti-wool sentiment.

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RE: Vegan BDSM Gear - 6/18/2005 8:27:24 AM   
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Wool?

But no sheep are harmed in the production of wool. And it is a renewable resource.

I don't understand the anti-wool sentiment.


I agree, however some vegans would say it's not ours to have and it is cruel to take it from them. Being a strict vegan can turn you into a pshycho. I used to be one. LOL!!

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RE: Vegan BDSM Gear - 6/18/2005 9:37:17 AM   
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Usually when someone says they are vegan it means that they are a strict dietary vegan.

If your diet is the only segment in your life where you eschew the products of animal life, then you are a vegetarian. The term 'dietary vegan' is an oxymoron.

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However there are some that are hardcore vegans meaning they do try to stay away from non-vegan products outside of food.

What you're describing is a vegan. 'Hardcore vegan' is redundant.

The term vegan was created in 1944 by Donald Watson. The Vegan Society was formed in England soon after and their definition of the word vegan is as follows:

"Veganism is a way of living which excludes all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, the animal kingdom, and includes a reverence for life. It applies to the practice of living on the products of the plant kingdom to the exclusion of flesh, fish, fowl, eggs, honey, animal milk and its derivatives, and encourages the use of alternatives for all commodities derived wholly or in part from animals."

There are no shades of veganism, you can no more be partially vegan than you can be partially pregnant. You might want to read this article by Jo Stepaniak. It discusses this very issue about the confusion between the terms vegetarian and vegan.

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RE: Vegan BDSM Gear - 6/18/2005 5:02:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		If this is the case, then all vegans need to vacate their homes immediately because the adhesives used in the home and other building materials contain animal products. If they stay they are not vegans. They're vegetarians. So with that said then I guess there isn't one person out there who is a vegan then. Because it would be immpossible.

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RE: Vegan BDSM Gear - 6/18/2005 6:31:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		You're missing the point, in gratuitous fashion.

If you bothered to read the article I referenced above, you would have come across the following passage:

"Veganism denotes a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude - as far as is possible and practical - all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing, or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of humans, animals, and the environment."

Pay particular attention to the highlighted text.

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RE: Vegan BDSM Gear - 6/18/2005 7:06:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		No I understand what you are saying. I can see why you would say this because I do not refrain from other animal products. And yes technically I would not be a "vegan". However, there are alot of vegans out there who call themselves this because they do not consume any animal products or derivitives. For example if I went to a restaurant, I would order a vegan dish, not a vegetarian one.


Ummm, but we've gotten into this whole debate on food..LOL!! This is a bondage gear board. LOL!!


:::: shutting my mouth now ::::

but I do love a good debate...here is really the only place I can have one...LMAO!!

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RE: Vegan BDSM Gear - 6/18/2005 8:22:44 PM   
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No I understand what you are saying. I can see why you would say this because I do not refrain from other animal products. And yes technically I would not be a "vegan". However, there are alot of vegans out there who call themselves this because they do not consume any animal products or derivitives.

Oh, I'm sure there are. I'm also sure they're not vegans.

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For example if I went to a restaurant, I would order a vegan dish, not a vegetarian one.

But there's no such thing as a 'vegan dish.' Veganism is a philosophy, not a dietary choice. You might as well order a Taoist dish. I realize that many places advertise what they call 'vegan dishes,' but it's a gross misuse of the term.

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Ummm, but we've gotten into this whole debate on food..LOL!! This is a bondage gear board. LOL!!

:::: shutting my mouth now ::::

but I do love a good debate...here is really the only place I can have one...LMAO!!

Debates are good things!

So then, getting back to the topic at hand, what's your favorite piece of vegan BDSM gear?

~stef

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