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Arpig -> Most historically influential person of the 20th century (6/7/2007 12:46:02 PM)

OK, here's the question..which single person had the greatest influence on the 20th century...I have my own vote, and it is a little unusual, so I will wait for a few responses before I tell you who it is.




LadyEllen -> RE: Most historically influential person of the 20th century (6/7/2007 1:15:42 PM)

I'm going to say, that Serbian that assassinated the Austro-Hungarian crown prince, leading to WWI, by which the course of the rest of the century in Europe at least and with much wider repercussions, was set in motion. If that person had stayed in bed that day (or been run over by a horse), the course of the whole century would have been far different, and the world unrecognisable compared to today. Adolf Hitler might well have died a penniless tramp in about 1916 in a TB clinic in Munich.

E




Arpig -> RE: Most historically influential person of the 20th century (6/7/2007 1:19:06 PM)

Bingo Lady E!!!, my vote also goes to Gavrilo princip (that Serbian guy) for exactly the same reasons as well.

OMG that means we agree on something....Oh-oh[:D]




Saraheli -> RE: Most historically influential person of the 20th century (6/7/2007 1:20:59 PM)

I'm not sure if I can decide on a single most influencial person, but at least one of my votes goes to Clementine Churchill.




LadyEllen -> RE: Most historically influential person of the 20th century (6/7/2007 1:23:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Arpig

Bingo Lady E!!!, my vote also goes to Gavrilo princip (that Serbian guy) for exactly the same reasons as well.

OMG that means we agree on something....Oh-oh[:D]


it is worrying.

It either shows that you are as clever as me, or as crazy as me LOL!

E

PS - sorry for spoiling the thread so early!




NorthernGent -> RE: Most historically influential person of the 20th century (6/7/2007 1:28:41 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Arpig

OK, here's the question..which single person had the greatest influence on the 20th century...I have my own vote, and it is a little unusual, so I will wait for a few responses before I tell you who it is.


It could be argued someone like Hitler, but Hitler was a follower rather than a leader. All of his ideas were borrowed from German and British thinkers.

Isaiah Berlin? a leader, and his views on freedom under-pinned the whole cold war for the West.

Someone like Jean Paul Satre - his ideas were drawn on for various left-wing revolutions around the world.

British industrialists of the 18th and 19th century? Without railways, the twentieth century would have been a lot different. George Stevenson?

John Maynard Keynes? His idea that the market could not provide for society was a fairly novel concept in his day, and British, European and US governments drew down on his ideas - the US in the 1960s.

The twentieth century is often referred to as the American century, so there must be some American candidates.

The dominant theme of the twentieth century has been social provision. It was realised in the very early 20th century that the market could not provide for society. In the last 20 years of the century Britain and the US forgot about that, but for 20 years it was dominant pretty much throughout the world. On that basis, I'll go for Keynes.




philosophy -> RE: Most historically influential person of the 20th century (6/7/2007 1:32:32 PM)

......i know that this idea will be unpopular, but Bill Gates......for influencing so heavily the opening up of mass market computing. In terms of influence, it could be argued that such a powerful force towards the end of he 20thC outweighs influences earlier in the century.




Arpig -> RE: Most historically influential person of the 20th century (6/7/2007 1:36:25 PM)

Keynes is a very good candidate NG




Emperor1956 -> RE: Most historically influential person of the 20th century (6/7/2007 1:56:46 PM)

You can debate this stuff endlessly...but here's one vote.  Two people I'm betting you never heard of:

Min Chueh Chang and Gregory Goodwin Pincus.

Know who they are?  I'll save you the google:

Widely considered the "co-fathers" of the Pill, the developers of the first effective oral contraception.

E.




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Most historically influential person of the 20th century (6/7/2007 2:11:43 PM)

Sure I'll go with that.  I would say Einstein, but I'm not sure I could say he was more influential or historically relevant directly. 




FatDomDaddy -> RE: Most historically influential person of the 20th century (6/7/2007 3:15:36 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: philosophy

......i know that this idea will be unpopular, but Bill Gates......


That's my pick.




Level -> RE: Most historically influential person of the 20th century (6/7/2007 3:54:59 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Arpig

Bingo Lady E!!!, my vote also goes to Gavrilo princip (that Serbian guy) for exactly the same reasons as well.

OMG that means we agree on something....Oh-oh[:D]


I agree with Lady E and Arpig; the repercussions will be felt from his actions for many years to come.




Alumbrado -> RE: Most historically influential person of the 20th century (6/7/2007 3:56:40 PM)

Andres Segovia




Dtesmoac -> RE: Most historically influential person of the 20th century (6/7/2007 5:38:26 PM)

I agree with LadyEllen and Arpig

However as an alternative - Alexander Fleming for discovering penicillen. The develpment of anti biotics has meant that many people thet would not have lived did and had a profound impact on the world..............so actually I suppose it was who ever let the bread go moldy

(anyone got a dictionary........!!)






TheHeretic -> RE: Most historically influential person of the 20th century (6/7/2007 5:46:45 PM)

       I don't know if I'm thinking along the same lines as LA, with her vote for Einstein, but I'm going to take the long view and say it was Oppenheimer and the development of the atomic bomb.




caitlyn -> RE: Most historically influential person of the 20th century (6/7/2007 7:01:02 PM)

Since the word used was "influential," I'm going to say Carl Gustov Jung.




farglebargle -> RE: Most historically influential person of the 20th century (6/7/2007 7:04:22 PM)

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So it is not surprising that some would have us stay where we are a little longer to rest, to wait. But this city of Houston, this State of Texas, this country of the United States was not built by those who waited and rested and wished to look behind them. This country was conquered by those who moved forward--and so will space.

William Bradford, speaking in 1630 of the founding of the Plymouth Bay Colony, said that all great and honorable actions are accompanied with great difficulties, and both must be enterprised and overcome with answerable courage.

If this capsule history of our progress teaches us anything, it is that man, in his quest for knowledge and progress, is determined and cannot be deterred. The exploration of space will go ahead, whether we join in it or not, and it is one of the great adventures of all time, and no nation which expects to be the leader of other nations can expect to stay behind in the race for space.

Those who came before us made certain that this country rode the first waves of the industrial revolutions, the first waves of modern invention, and the first wave of nuclear power, and this generation does not intend to founder in the backwash of the coming age of space. We mean to be a part of it--we mean to lead it. For the eyes of the world now look into space, to the moon and to the planets beyond, and we have vowed that we shall not see it governed by a hostile flag of conquest, but by a banner of freedom and peace. We have vowed that we shall not see space filled with weapons of mass destruction, but with instruments of knowledge and understanding.

Yet the vows of this Nation can only be fulfilled if we in this Nation are first, and, therefore, we intend to be first. In short, our leadership in science and in industry, our hopes for peace and security, our obligations to ourselves as well as others, all require us to make this effort, to solve these mysteries, to solve them for the good of all men, and to become the world's leading space-faring nation.

We set sail on this new sea because there is new knowledge to be gained, and new rights to be won, and they must be won and used for the progress of all people. For space science, like nuclear science and all technology, has no conscience of its own. Whether it will become a force for good or ill depends on man, and only if the United States occupies a position of pre-eminence can we help decide whether this new ocean will be a sea of peace or a new terrifying theater of war. I do not say the we should or will go unprotected against the hostile misuse of space any more than we go unprotected against the hostile use of land or sea, but I do say that space can be explored and mastered without feeding the fires of war, without repeating the mistakes that man has made in extending his writ around this globe of ours.

There is no strife, no prejudice, no national conflict in outer space as yet. Its hazards are hostile to us all. Its conquest deserves the best of all mankind, and its opportunity for peaceful cooperation many never come again. But why, some say, the moon? Why choose this as our goal? And they may well ask why climb the highest mountain? Why, 35 years ago, fly the Atlantic? Why does Rice play Texas?

We choose to go to the moon. We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too.

It is for these reasons that I regard the decision last year to shift our efforts in space from low to high gear as among the most important decisions that will be made during my incumbency in the office of the Presidency.

In the last 24 hours we have seen facilities now being created for the greatest and most complex exploration in man's history. We have felt the ground shake and the air shattered by the testing of a Saturn C-1 booster rocket, many times as powerful as the Atlas which launched John Glenn, generating power equivalent to 10,000 automobiles with their accelerators on the floor. We have seen the site where the F-1 rocket engines, each one as powerful as all eight engines of the Saturn combined, will be clustered together to make the advanced Saturn missile, assembled in a new building to be built at Cape Canaveral as tall as a 48 story structure, as wide as a city block, and as long as two lengths of this field.


FWIW, we still use the VAB, although we've lost whatever greatness once made us build it.





dcnovice -> RE: Most historically influential person of the 20th century (6/7/2007 7:04:26 PM)

quote:

I agree with LadyEllen and Arpig


I do too. FDR might be a runner-up.




farglebargle -> RE: Most historically influential person of the 20th century (6/7/2007 7:05:52 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: philosophy

......i know that this idea will be unpopular, but Bill Gates......for influencing so heavily the opening up of mass market computing. In terms of influence, it could be argued that such a powerful force towards the end of he 20thC outweighs influences earlier in the century.


My Commodore 64 came with a PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE and schematics.

Vista doesn't.

'nuff said.







dcnovice -> RE: Most historically influential person of the 20th century (6/7/2007 7:06:41 PM)

Another thought.

Does the most influential person have to have lived in the 20th century? Karl Marx had a huge influence, despite being dead.




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