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Estring -> Goodbye Mr. President (6/5/2004 6:06:01 PM)

I want to salute the life of one of our greatest presidents. Rest in peace President Reagan. And my condolences to the Reagan family. My thoughts are with you. We have lost a great man.



proudsub -> RE: Goodbye Mr. President (6/5/2004 6:52:32 PM)

quote:

I want to salute the life of one of our greatest presidents. Rest in peace President Reagan. And my condolences to the Reagan family. My thoughts are with you. We have lost a great man.


I second that Estring, but i doubt any of the Reagans read this site.[:)]



MistressKiss -> RE: Goodbye Mr. President (6/6/2004 5:34:16 AM)

Me too...I was depressed all day. I liked Reagan not only as a president but as a man who was not afraid to express his love for his wife. There weren't and aren't many like him, and I was certainly impressed that he shared such deep thoughts and feelings with her. To have been such a powerful person, yet to be so in love and willing to express it...well, that defines a man, in my humble opinion.



rain -> RE: Goodbye Mr. President (6/6/2004 9:56:06 AM)

i was also affected by his passing yesterday. He reminded me a great deal of my grandfather, who passed away in a similar fashion- and that's not something i would wish on anyone.

And with his passing, his suffering is over. My heart goes out to Nancy, God Bless.

~rain~



Thanatosian -> RE: Goodbye Mr. President (6/6/2004 7:04:06 PM)

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I second that Estring, but i doubt any of the Reagans read this site.


Well, maybe Patti (spelling?) Davis (nee Reagan), author of Bondage just might read this site[;)]

on a serious note, I would like to echo the thought expressed here by others.

[:(]



MistressDREAD -> RE: Goodbye Mr. President (6/6/2004 8:16:32 PM)

Its been not only a great Honor to live in a Country where there are more then one President Living and working together as One even when Their terms are long over and feeling the strenth and security this fact has knowing that any current President could speak to such a bevvy of experiance at any given time about any given issue untill the end with out scheming to kill each other off but even a greater honor to know that such a Man can rise up from any walk of life ( or woman for that matter ) and become a legend in His spirit and deeds to those ends that will live on long after He has passed on and not simply be in Power because His family is part of a anarchy. ThankYou for Your service to America and the Americans whom voted You into Service Mr. President Regan Sir! [stands and salutes]



Sinergy -> RE: Goodbye Mr. President (6/6/2004 8:47:39 PM)

Hello,

Well, I have been rather deeply affected by the passing of Ronald Reagan, but I do not consider him one of our greatest presidents.

He presided over the raping of our economy by the junk bond individuals.

His response to the bankruptcy of the Soviet Union and the end of the cold war was putting money into the Star Wars program which was technically unfeasible and ridiculously expensive to determine that it was technically unfeasible. It did provide his cronies with huge government monies to do the research.

The Reagen presidency was, in my mind, a reflection of the "feel good" mentality which pervaded the culture at the time. It did not reflect feeling good because of what one did, but feeling good because of what one was. One could do whatever they wanted during that time and there was no accountibility for their actions, and the actions of his presidency reflect that mindset.

I dont personally think this makes him a great president, but that is just me. Woodrow Wilson was a great president. He didnt have to start the United Nations after World War 1, but he did it anyway as his attempt to try to prevent global warfare in the future.

As I said, I mourn the passing of Ronald Reagan, but I think for me it is also mourning for the passing of an era where US citizens felt good about themselves. I think the US needed him after the loss of self-respect from the Vietnam war era.

Having studied the Vietnam era extensively, I would indicate that from my opinion Nixon was one of the greatest presidents we have ever had. He was the FIRST president willing to end a stupid war we had no business being in, and did not dwell on how history would remember him. Of course, then he broke the law and tried to cover it up, so I think he was treated fairly within the laws of the land.

Sinergy



inyouagain -> RE: Goodbye Mr. President (6/7/2004 3:43:07 AM)

Jeez, cut him some slack... he's gone and can't defend himself. Memorials of any kind are not the place for politics, debate or conjecture, but rather a place for, and of grace.

In total grace I say goodbye Mr Reagan, goodbye Mr Governor, goodbye Mr President... you were and always will be a man among men, so very distinctive in your own special ways which touched so many and brought many others closer.

You were good for the American Spirit Mr Reagan, when America needed you so badly... thank you Sir, and may you never be forgotten by all those who enjoy the American way of life you helped to preserve.

Your place in history is richly deserved "Duke", and you have done so very well.

Inyouagain



MistressDREAD -> RE: Goodbye Mr. President (6/7/2004 5:44:41 AM)

[8|]OH MY JAHHH!
Inyouagain I
think this is the
first time You and
I have EVER agreed!
Honor is shown
in many forms
as well as DISHONOR
Sinergy.[:@]Verry tackie
Sinergy[:'(]



Estring -> RE: Goodbye Mr. President (6/7/2004 9:23:05 AM)

Woodrow Wilson a great president? Hmm. Interesting. I don't really have much respect for The U.N.. Maybe it seemed like a good idea at the time, but any orginization that has Libya and Syria on it's human rights council is a joke.
I wasn't a fan of Reagan at the time of his presidency, but have since come to understand his greatness. He understood that you must stand up to evil in this world. And it is funny how he is riduculed by some for his "Star Wars" program, but these same people have no problem wasting money on other proven failed programs such as welfare, head start, etc.



Sinergy -> RE: Goodbye Mr. President (6/7/2004 11:24:02 AM)

Hello,

My comments were not about Ronald Reagan, a man who I deeply admire for what he accomplished in his life and a man who was brave enough in the twilight of his life to share the tragedy of his illness with the world in the hopes that more can be done to find a cure. There is an aspect to the bravery of an individual who does such a thing, knowing a cure would be too late to help them out. I truly admire such self-less service and sacrifice to one's fellow people.

My heart and thoughts go out to his loved ones who are left behind with his memory, and I wish them all the best.

My comments were about whether he was one of America's greatest presidents, which is not really reflected in a study of the history of his presidency. If some on these boards wish to take that as me dragging down a great man, I am not going to engage in their misunderstanding of my words as written.

Enjoy your day,

Sinergy



Estring -> RE: Goodbye Mr. President (6/7/2004 3:07:39 PM)

One thing that really struck me was something Nancy Reagan said. She said that this disease kept her and her husband from being able to share all the great memories that they had in their long marriage together. That seems so sad to me.



saddorie -> RE: Goodbye Mr. President (6/7/2004 5:52:36 PM)

It was during Mr. Reagan's presidency that I first began really looking and understanding politics, although on a very elementary level.

I remember his assasination attempt. I was 11 years old and had stayed home from school sick with my grandmother. The look of devastation on her face when she heard the news he had been shot, really opened my eyes as to the "power" this man had over our nation and our world.

I think, as a child, what I enjoyed most about Mr. Reagan was his wonderful sense of humor. I did not know presidents were funny. I vaguely remembered Nixon and Ford, but they never laughed, they never made a joke. (well if they did, I was too young to remember them)

A few quotes from President Reagan:

I did turn 75 today--but remember, that's only 24 Celsius." - Reagan in 1986

"It's true hard work never killed anybody, but I figure, why take the chance?" - On the reputed lightness of his workday schedule

"A friend of mine was asked to a costume ball a short time ago. He slapped some egg on his face and went as a liberal economist."

"Honey, I forgot to duck." - To wife Nancy after John Hinkley's 1981 assassination attemp

I will never forget jellybeans :) In my mind they will always be associated with Ronald Reagan and my father.

And who could possibly forget his speech at the Berlin Wall? In my mind, it remains one of the all time greatest speeches ever given.



Thanatosian -> RE: Goodbye Mr. President (6/7/2004 7:14:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sinergy


My comments were about whether he was one of America's greatest presidents, which is not really reflected in a study of the history of his presidency.


Then why is it that when he left office he was ranked by presidential historians (historians that study the presidency, not historians appointed by a president) something like 23rd out of the then 40 presidents, and within the last 2 years they (the historians) have moved him up to number 11 out of 43? that ranking puts him in the top 25 percent, which should fit anyones definition of greatness, IMX

I am afraid, Sinergy, that on this issue we are going to have to agree to disagree.

(edited to correct percentage)



Sinergy -> RE: Goodbye Mr. President (6/7/2004 8:25:11 PM)

I am more than willing to agree to disagree, I have not specifically studied his presidency in detail, preferring to focus more on southeast Asia.

I cannot, for the life of me, remember anything he did which was specifically noteworthy, although he was not president during a time of great turmoil in our nation.

23 out of 40 is not what I would call one of our greatest, that is a failing grade on a history exam. 11 out of 40 is less than average.

Sinergy



inyouagain -> RE: Goodbye Mr. President (6/8/2004 9:42:13 AM)

In his own words... of his Presidency:

"Whatever else history may say about me when I’m gone, I hope it will record that I appealed to your best hopes, not your worst fears; to your confidence rather than your doubts. My dream is that you will travel the road ahead with liberty’s lamp guiding your steps and opportunity’s arm steadying your way."

(Remarks in his address to the Republican National Convention, Houston, Texas, August 17, 1992)

It's a shame he could not even recognize his own words for much of the past ten years... due to the illness he was stricken with, and it must have been devastating to his loved ones to see him worsen over the last decade.

Inyouagain



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