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Termyn8or -> A game plan : The real one (6/12/2007 10:22:53 PM)

I have given this alot of thought. I think I am a leader, not perfect, but a leader. A true leader thinks of the well being of those he leads before his own.

Now before I go on with my plan, you just don't up and believe I am a leader because I said so do you ? That would be unwise. But you see, I see the world very differently. If I were a King and there was a battle, the immediate families of each and every soldier who died for me would recieve a hug, and a personal apology to his Widow and each of his children. The Widow would then be assured of a decent stipend for life.

"Your Man died for me, and I do not take that lightly, and I failed him. He is dead and I am alive. I cannot live that down".And I can't. My plans should be so right that if executed correctly none of my followers die. Anyone who has true allegiance to the crown, well the crown owes the same back. Every one of my followers' lives are just as important as my own, to me. I realize that in a correctly run society my life may be more important to them. They are asked to die for me, but I am not asked to die for them. A true leader treats those people right, at any cost.

Now that it is established that I MIGHT be a leader, let's get down to business.

In the present we cannot overcome the might of the oppressors with physical or military force. It would be foolish to try. Now people say get out and vote, but there is a large untapped resouce when it comes to votes, non-voters. I don't vote because there is nobody to vote for. And don't gimme that issues and shit, if we can't eventually get a good President in this country, all is lost.

So, that baby step, which way ? That first step.

The plan, as it shapes slowly in my mind, and if you think it's easy, give it a try. The first step is a webpage. I can write one pretty easily. But later I would like to get some forum software. Like here, maybe an older version without all the bells and whistles. Perhaps an older version of discus which LMU uses.

This would be an ad hoc site, no bunch of other shit, and in no way would I want to take all the political traffic from this site. This is a pretty good sounding board, but a few of us should get serious about some action before it is really really too late.

And there is one thing to remember, we cannot beat the assholes from the outside, so there is one alternative.

I think by sharing info and acting accordingly we have alot better shot at it. Thinking out our actions. Remove the issues they planted in your mind and let's unify. Unitedf we can stand, but divided we have already fallen. It is time to get up. Concentrate the resources available to the areas and issues with the best odds of winning.

Anybody with me here ?

There is one thing, one last thing about a true leader. He will not give up on what looks like a hopeless situation. He will strive to find a way to overcome.

I rest my case.

T



Pandamonum -> RE: A game plan : The real one (6/12/2007 10:27:16 PM)

I was just planning to take over a small South American country and giving control to the military.  But, hey, this might work. 



Termyn8or -> RE: A game plan : The real one (6/12/2007 10:38:02 PM)

That's not my country, this is.

T



Aswad -> RE: A game plan : The real one (6/13/2007 1:40:13 AM)

I'm rather firmly for a nonviolent approach, and hate to derail the thread, but have you looked at assassination politics?

It's a financial and social/political theory that appears to have been implemented 9/11.

The funny thing about it is, in a capitalist society, pulling out the stoppers on it ...
... the violence doesn't end before the money does. All of it.

Consider... what could you get someone with nothing to lose to do for USD 1 trillion ?

That has been one estimate of the order of magnitude of cash that was extracted by an AP run on the Twin Towers.



Arpig -> RE: A game plan : The real one (6/13/2007 6:26:45 AM)

so, let me get this right...you are going to make a web page with some basic cforum software, this will cause non-voters to vote, and they will vote for a "good" president while ignoring issues...yup sounds mighty reasonable to me



dawntreader -> RE: A game plan : The real one (6/13/2007 8:18:34 AM)

Greetings Termyn8or,
 
Have you read "The Art of War" by Sun Tzu ?
 
i find the book as relevant today as when it was written 2 and a half centuries ago. Personally, i promote peace but recognize the reality of force...there is much to be learned in this book for both world leaders and the world followers. One of my favorite excerpts from this book, and i have many, is the following:
 
"If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle..."  Sun Tzu
 
This country is too scattered in it's thinking and the general population does not know itself and is easy prey to "leaders" who claim to know the enemy. Your plan will not work until individuals take responsibilty to "know themselves and the enemy". Then they might be more competent at choosing their leaders.
 
And on the topic of "Leaders", here is an excerpt from my favorite book and the one i structure my life on, The Tao Te Ching :
 
17. Rulers
The best rulers are scarcely known by their subjects;
The next best are loved and praised;
The next are feared;
The next despised:
They have no faith in their people,
And their people become unfaithful to them.
When the best rulers achieve their purpose
Their subjects claim the achievement as their own.



Aswad -> RE: A game plan : The real one (6/13/2007 4:14:18 PM)

Quoting Adolf Hitler:

"A great leader will never be found by election."

In that, he's right, I think.

At least any election of scale, not to mention the modern ones, where the votes are counted by uninspected and uninspectable machines with known vulnerabilities, delivered by a company whose CEO promised the current president that he'd win the election he won, the one which was the second time exit polls diverged greatly from the results (the first time being his previous term) and where statistical analysis showed no anomalies in manually counted regions, but showed significant anomalies in digitally counted regions that were close ties, anomalies that have stood up to serious attempts at finding other explanations than tampering.

And I doubt the Terminator has candidacy in mind. I wouldn't have, I think.

Edit: As an interesting observation, dawntreader, according to your Dao, Hitler came within inches of fitting the description of the second best kind of leader there is as a statesman, and the best kind for some others. Perhaps there are other qualities to a leader and his/her/its vision that should be considered?



kittinSol -> RE: A game plan : The real one (6/13/2007 4:20:04 PM)

You mean America, I presume? As a legal resident alien I can only applaud your enthusiastic show of enterprise.

I do wonder, though... why did you choose collarme.com for your announcement? Are you planning on taking over the executive branch of the US governement with a BDSM coup d'Etat [:D] ?

Are you going to spank Baby Bush into submission?!

GASP.

If so... would I be allowed to watch?



Griswold -> RE: A game plan : The real one (6/13/2007 5:42:13 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

I have given this alot of thought. I think I am a leader, not perfect, but a leader. A true leader thinks of the well being of those he leads before his own.

Now before I go on with my plan, you just don't up and believe I am a leader because I said so do you ? That would be unwise. But you see, I see the world very differently. If I were a King and there was a battle, the immediate families of each and every soldier who died for me would recieve a hug, and a personal apology to his Widow and each of his children. The Widow would then be assured of a decent stipend for life.

"Your Man died for me, and I do not take that lightly, and I failed him. He is dead and I am alive. I cannot live that down".And I can't. My plans should be so right that if executed correctly none of my followers die. Anyone who has true allegiance to the crown, well the crown owes the same back. Every one of my followers' lives are just as important as my own, to me. I realize that in a correctly run society my life may be more important to them. They are asked to die for me, but I am not asked to die for them. A true leader treats those people right, at any cost.

Now that it is established that I MIGHT be a leader, let's get down to business.

In the present we cannot overcome the might of the oppressors with physical or military force. It would be foolish to try. Now people say get out and vote, but there is a large untapped resouce when it comes to votes, non-voters. I don't vote because there is nobody to vote for. And don't gimme that issues and shit, if we can't eventually get a good President in this country, all is lost.

So, that baby step, which way ? That first step.

The plan, as it shapes slowly in my mind, and if you think it's easy, give it a try. The first step is a webpage. I can write one pretty easily. But later I would like to get some forum software. Like here, maybe an older version without all the bells and whistles. Perhaps an older version of discus which LMU uses.

This would be an ad hoc site, no bunch of other shit, and in no way would I want to take all the political traffic from this site. This is a pretty good sounding board, but a few of us should get serious about some action before it is really really too late.

And there is one thing to remember, we cannot beat the assholes from the outside, so there is one alternative.

I think by sharing info and acting accordingly we have alot better shot at it. Thinking out our actions. Remove the issues they planted in your mind and let's unify. Unitedf we can stand, but divided we have already fallen. It is time to get up. Concentrate the resources available to the areas and issues with the best odds of winning.

Anybody with me here ?

There is one thing, one last thing about a true leader. He will not give up on what looks like a hopeless situation. He will strive to find a way to overcome.

I rest my case.

T


I like your approach.

It is clear to me;  You would hug those families who remained unable to provide for themselves after their provider died for your causes.

Of course...that makes you a leader.

One for the history books, most assuradly.

(Please continue...you certainly have my vote).



Griswold -> RE: A game plan : The real one (6/13/2007 5:43:32 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Arpig

so, let me get this right...you are going to make a web page with some basic cforum software, this will cause non-voters to vote, and they will vote for a "good" president while ignoring issues...yup sounds mighty reasonable to me


(Clearly you forgot that whole hugging part).



Vendaval -> RE: A game plan : The real one (6/13/2007 5:45:48 PM)

Platform? Campaign promises? Money-laundering? Blow-jobs?  [sm=meh.gif]



dawntreader -> RE: A game plan : The real one (6/13/2007 5:53:44 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Aswad

Edit: As an interesting observation, dawntreader, according to your Dao, Hitler came within inches of fitting the description of the second best kind of leader there is as a statesman, and the best kind for some others. Perhaps there are other qualities to a leader and his/her/its vision that should be considered?



Greetings Aswad,
 
Hitler actually fit into the following 4:
The next best are loved and praised;
The next are feared;
The next despised:
They have no faith in their people
 
He was a brilliant leader as well as being a twisted and sick individual as history has shown. This aside, people are ultimately responsible for who they follow - we always have a choice, even if it is death~



Aswad -> RE: A game plan : The real one (6/14/2007 1:59:11 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: dawntreader

Hitler actually fit into the following 4 [...]  He was a brilliant leader as well as being a twisted and sick individual as history has shown. This aside, people are ultimately responsible for who they follow - we always have a choice, even if it is death~


Indeed.

I would not want him as my leader, but he certainly was a brilliant leader.

Anyone who really wants to enact changes would do well to study him, both for his good sides (which they should harvest) and for his bad sides (which they should learn from and avoid).



Termyn8or -> RE: A game plan : The real one (6/14/2007 6:43:44 AM)

I recieved a mail stating that if an "outsider" were successful in politics they would be assassinated. That may be true but then where does that leave us ?

I think assassination can be avoided to some extent. For one, don't go riding around Texas in an open convertible. Notice they don't do that anymore.

Yes indeed our guys would have to be careful, but I, for one, would rather die a martyr than live a fool. But I am not the perfect candidate. I am a bit rough around the edges and have a past that is not quite,,,,,,,,wholesome. Although I must admit I am not a convicted felon nor have I ever been busted for drugs.

I think it important that lawmakers obey the laws they pass. I see a city coulcilman on TV after the collapse of a canopy at a gas station earlier this year. I know the guy. He is talking about strengthening building codes for these things. Funny, my cohort(s) and I remodeled his whole house, and I mean ALOT of work, and never pulled a single permit.

And the guy he beat, his predecessor ? Well that guy's Wife went to jail for an illegal handgun. The house got robbed, and with the cops there she expressed relief that the gun was not stolen, and got arrested. She thought she was immune to such things.

The first sign that a guy is not for the people is when he wants to take your guns away, but keep his own.

Indeed if I took office I would piss alot of people off. I would need some poeple around me that I know, I would not depend on the usual protections, for it would not be the People who want me dead, but the "people". Any candidate that is for the People has to be careful. And it might not be death, the assassination could occur in a courtroom. Look at what happened to Trafficant. But then Ron Paul holds on somehow.

One thing is for sure, that forboding mail I recieved rings true. I mean it's not like the day you get elected half your brain is going to fly across the street, but it could happen. But if we let that dissuade us, to stop us, to keep us from working for a positive change, we have lost alot more than a country.

If we let them make us afraid of success we have already lost. That means the spirit of what used to make this country great has really died. And when that is gone, all is lost. The first thing we need is hope, and I know that is in short supply right now. But one victory, anywhere can prove it can be done. Ron Paul proves it can be done.

A few inspired individuals can do alot more than people think. However we must watch history for red herrings. For example Hitler's rise to power was enabled by those who would call him enemy. The reson ? It was all part of the plan. So don't get me wrong, we are not playing with kids here, but if we never do anything they win, in fact that would mean that they won a long time ago.

Winning still means winning the People. That means an awakening, no matter how rude. Some will not be able to handle it, but then some will. But then some say you only lose when you stop trying.

And then there are those like me who have swam with the sharks and not gotten eaten who will tell you that you can't win unless you are willing to lose. And make no mistake, this is a rough game, and we must learn how to play during the game, the real game, not any dry run or practice. I never said it will be easy.

Our people must be surrounded by those they can trust, otherwise we'll just have another Trafficant. If I won office I would choose among my personal friends to literally guard me from the bodyguards. I know I would have to be exceedingly careful.

But if we do nothing, well the immigration problem will solve itself, they won't want to be here. We might have to put up a wall to keep the people in.

Indeed if the stealers keep stealing there will be nothing left. If the politically correct and pollite crowd keeps at it you'll go to jail for spitting on the sidewalk like in Singapore. And there will be no jobs except those fit for migrant workers, but the only people who can afford food will be those getting a check from the government. Getting down to 35% literacy won't dissuade them though, it seems to have been tried.

Just wait until migrant workers are happy to go home, and foreign students come here only because it is cheaper. Just wait, it will happen if we do nothing, and it might happen anyway. Sit there and watch the boob tube and you will be complicit in making sure it does.

T



Arpig -> RE: A game plan : The real one (6/14/2007 7:44:33 AM)

Well Termy, I certainly hope your speechs are more coherant than your writings



Sinergy -> RE: A game plan : The real one (6/14/2007 8:03:22 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Aswad

And I doubt the Terminator has candidacy in mind. I wouldn't have, I think.



The Governator was talking about having the Constitution amended to allow a non-native born to become President when he was first elected Governor of California.

The Republican Idiotocracy screwed up.

1)  They tried to implement Karl Rove's schemes in California, a state with a relatively weak governor dealing with one of the most cutthroat and vicious political legislatures in the United States.  He attempted to use his popularity to go after the unions in a very pro-union state, and lost a tremendous amount of popularity.  He would have been a one-term Governor here, except the Democrats nominated a person (rather effective politically) with the charisma of a head of broccoli.

2)  They did not amend the Constitution when they had control of Congress, being far too involved in the Iraqi insanity, the Katrina boondoggle, and cronyism and fraud.

I personally think that the Idiotocracy bought into their own permanent Republican Majority idiocy, and are now stuck paying the price of their incompetence.

The Governator missed his Presidential Launch Window.

Sinergy

p.s.  Ron Paul is on the Colbert Report.  How freaking funny.

p.p.s.  I think it is hilarious that we have the Governator as governor.  After getting his ass handed to him by our state and it's unions, he went back to being the nice, centrist, populist leader he claimed he was when he got elected the first time.



Aswad -> RE: A game plan : The real one (6/14/2007 8:14:00 AM)

Err... quick reply to Sinergy: I wasn't talking about the Governator, but the Termyn8or...

And to Arpig: I believe that's part of what he meant by "rough around the edges". It wasn't all that hard to follow, but would need polishing for a flock of sheep ... err ... I mean, body of outstanding citizens that are eligible to vote. [:D]



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