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Celeste43 -> RE: Authority Transfer (6/13/2007 10:24:35 AM)

He doesn't have his name on my assets and I don't have mine on his. We both have the right and responsibility to help keep each other acting responsibly by making helpful suggestions.

He doesn't have any authority over my oldest who is special needs and he is fully aware that he doesn't have enough knowledge to make suggestions there. He has assumed the role of a father figure towards my son though and in that role has taken on some responsibility and authority.

Over me, as long as it's not harmful he has as much authority as he wishes to assert. Caveat, demanding that I do something which conflicts with my parental responsibilities is where I draw the line. If I'm due somewhere to pick up an UM, then he can't tell me to do something else right then unless he's willing to assume my responsibility. Example being me staying home and getting dinner ready while he did the drive to music lesson and back.




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Authority Transfer (6/13/2007 11:56:16 AM)

I'm just happy you started a thread to focus on the concept I push for the most :)

Whatever the other wants I suppose.  There are things he doesn't really want much direct authority over, things he knows others are better qualified to trust in certain areas, and things we tend to just work together on.

But if he made a decision on something/anything seriously, it would be followed. 

And I'm pretty sure the same is true for me.




kyraofMists -> RE: Authority Transfer (6/13/2007 3:52:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: meticulousgirl

Wow great thread, the questions dont really apply but I think this would make a great research and development thread for many on the site.


In what way do you think that the questions do not apply?  I recall from the Asking Permission thread that you mentioned asking permission for just about everything to stay in the mind-set.  I see that as actively transferring authority to your partner, so I am curious to hear a different perspective on that.

Knight's Kyra




kyraofMists -> RE: Authority Transfer (6/13/2007 3:54:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

I'm just happy you started a thread to focus on the concept I push for the most :)


It was my pleasure  *g* 

I have been tossing the idea around for a couple days before I did it; I wanted to find a good way to phrase things to generate a discussion. 

Knight's Kyra




octavia -> RE: Authority Transfer (6/13/2007 4:21:30 PM)

Im still trying to wrap my head around all that I am seeing.  I know that the idea of a complete power exchange appeals to me. It's the genuine power exchange that I crave though.  I get the play part of things and undestand how that appeals to me and what I get out of it.  What i've never experienced is the complete enchilada.  My xhusband was unwilling to be a driver so I drove.  Now, not only is it not my prefernce to drive, but Ive driven this whole time and I'm tired and weary of it.   It seems like it would feel  so "right" to just not drive.   The issue of course being, I would be foolish to hand over the steering wheel  to someone who would not drive as well as I can.  I am a good driver.  I hate being the driver, but am capable. 
This puts me in the wait and see camp I spose.  [;)]




sleazybutterfly -> RE: Authority Transfer (6/13/2007 4:34:14 PM)

What aspects of your life do you or are you willing to transfer authority to your partner? Anything he chooses to take authority over...I only reserve the right to visit my family when it's possible.

What aspects of your partners life do you want to have the authority transferred to you? Well, I really didn't ask for it, but I take care of all of the household things including money and how it is spent (for the most part).

If you do both, I would love to hear your answers as well.

How did you arrive at the decision on what authority is transferred? We sat and talked about it...went over all aspects of our lives, and then agreed on what parts he wanted to have control over.
 
Granted any of this can change at any time if he wants it to.  I am sure we would probably sit down and discuss why it was changing and how he wanted it changed.
 
I have found that most of the time even the things he does have authority over he lets me make the decisions on.  It's probably more the fact that I talk to him about things rather than just going out and doing them (the big things).  I really can't tell you how I know what to check about and what not to check about.  It's just seems to come natural in my relationship with him.






abda -> RE: Authority Transfer (6/13/2007 6:09:01 PM)

I am agree with Marie. I wouldn't let dominant have control over my finances because I still one unmentionable at  home with. I have to make sure that I have her best interest at heart. The only way I would let dominant have control over my finances is if we were to marry.




MadRabbit -> RE: Authority Transfer (6/13/2007 7:03:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kyraofMists

What aspects of your partners life do you want to have the authority transferred to you?


I'm looking for the relationship to evolve to the point where I have authority regarding everything, but there is always the question of ethics.

For example, I dont find it to be an ethical use of my authority to ever really try and influence her own personal relationships with friends or family.

Also...using authority to influence something that can have a drastic effect on someone's future life (especially if the relationship doesnt work out) like career and education choices bothers me on a moral level.

Its making decisions on that scale that really put one's convictions towards responsibility to the test.




MaamJay -> RE: Authority Transfer (6/13/2007 9:41:11 PM)

I don't have UMs other than furkids ... Master has authority over those (AND He does the care too, feeding and cleaning up! even when the cat threw up her fishy breakfast and He's allergic to fish!)

He's had authority over my daily life since W/we got together 24/7. i've had little epiphanies on the way ... the first time i realised i couldn't accept a friend's invite to a clothes party without asking Him first ... the fact that He now has better control of my errant bladder than i have (that's why His only micromanagement is over my toileting) ... and not being able to choose the birthday cake "i" want because i am too considerate of what He likes best! All these serve to highlight for me how awesome it is to submit or surrender my wants to His.

Financial control has evolved and has taken a new turn of late now W/we have moved to be on O/our own together. For various reasons it was politic to put the new house solely in His name ... i confess a few misgivings as it's a HUGE step to take ... though i am comfortable with it now. After all, if i trust Him with my life ... then why not my money? It has never meant as much to me as people do. That said, W/we talk together about financial decisions, it's not a one-horse show. And there's a big part of Him that feels a bit burdened by the extra responsibility of home ownership, so i know He's not taking this lightly either. i am proud of how He has handled things.

As usual, a great thread kyra, thank you!
Maam Jay aka violet[A]




Sinergy -> RE: Authority Transfer (6/13/2007 9:50:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

For example, I dont find it to be an ethical use of my authority to ever really try and influence her own personal relationships with friends or family.



I dont recall who said it, but a quote comes to mind:

"Want to find out a person's character, give them power."

I agree completely with what you posted, MadRabbit.

Sinergy




denika -> RE: Authority Transfer (6/13/2007 10:37:29 PM)

The transfer of authority for Rob and I has been a very slow, trickle of a process, after 17 years of Democrocy it takes a while to shift some ways of thinking.   Rob doesn't want to have complete authority in my life, which is a good thing, you know how much I love him but I think that would strangle us.   It has started out slow with little things, I will ask him if I can buy something before I do, I ask for permission to go out. He has final say on who I play with
..These are things I never did before. We have a very symbiotic relationship, He puts me first and I put him first.

Over the last two years, watching and becoming friends with Knight has had a huge impact on how Rob veiws D/s and power echange relationships, he has seen the positive, where before he only saw it as a relationship that oppresses the partner not fulfills them.  The small changes occured without us really talking directly about them I just started asking, when normally I would just act or tell him I was doing something,not ask if I could.

He has no desire to micromanage me and he understands that I thrive best in an atmosphere with few restrictions or set patterns. It sounds odd, but I am a submissive with control issues and he understands that, he also knows that in some things I do need a bit of structure, I tend to procrastonate if I'm left to my own devises.
Do I want him to have complete authority over me? No, because I know that is something he doesn't want but  it is the one aspect of D/s-SM we can both participate in together and has enhanced our relationship. I've come to respect him more and see him in a little diffrent light.

denika





slavegirljoy -> RE: Authority Transfer (6/13/2007 10:40:26 PM)

This is how it is for Master David and me.  He has authority over all aspects of my life and He decides how much of His authority He wishes to exercise at any given time.  There isn't any area of my life that He doesn't have control over.  His authority over me is a result of the terms of agreement that W/we discussed and established prior to His taking ownership of me.  This is what i was looking for and needing from a Master.  Anything less and i would not have wanted to beome His slave.  Also, without His requiring absolute obedience from me, i would not have wanted to become His slave and i would not have handed Him all the power, authority, and control over my life. 
 
slave joy
Owned property of Master David

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

quote:

ORIGINAL: kyraofMists

What aspects of your life do you or are you willing to transfer authority to your partner?



all the aspects He desires.

quote:

What aspects of your partners life do you want to have the authority transferred to you?


only that which pleases Him to delegate to His slave, and even that is subject to His own personal preferences and tastes.

quote:

How did you arrive at the decision on what authority is transferred?


becoming His slave required surrendering ALL to His authority---if not, this slave wouldn't have become His.  He was not open to and this slave had no desire to negotiate who would get what authority transferred to them and when...it was, and is an "all in" sort of thing.




WhiplashSmile -> RE: Authority Transfer (6/13/2007 10:42:39 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: octavia

Im still trying to wrap my head around all that I am seeing.  I know that the idea of a complete power exchange appeals to me. It's the genuine power exchange that I crave though.  I get the play part of things and undestand how that appeals to me and what I get out of it.  What i've never experienced is the complete enchilada.  My xhusband was unwilling to be a driver so I drove.  Now, not only is it not my prefernce to drive, but Ive driven this whole time and I'm tired and weary of it.   It seems like it would feel  so "right" to just not drive.   The issue of course being, I would be foolish to hand over the steering wheel  to someone who would not drive as well as I can.  I am a good driver.  I hate being the driver, but am capable. 
This puts me in the wait and see camp I spose.  [;)]


Never ride with crappy dangerous drivers!!  Basically, this is what Trust is all about and why it's an important cornerstone in a D/s relationship.  Even more so with TPE relationships.  It takes a lot of trust to turn everything over.   Many people often start off with PPE, partial power exchanges they are comfortable with.  In time it slowly evols into TPE.   TPE is not for everybody.  There are many things to consider as well.   All and All it's about Trust and how well the other person can Stay on the road and Drive!! There are plenty of DAMN Idiots on the road these days too!!! LOL




yrstocollar -> RE: Authority Transfer (6/13/2007 11:38:30 PM)

We just evolved into having control over the things we are good at... she's an excellent cook for example [:D] ... also she physically can't stop herself taking over when I try to cook even something as simple as toast so if I want to do anything by myself I have to order her out of the kitchen.

Basically I'm willing to transfer authority for any aspect of my life (except work and family) to her where I see her as more skilled than myself or if it makes her happy.  I don't see the need to do it with finance because I am very good at this myself however if she wanted to do this in a way which made financial sense to me and benefited me/us in the long run I would do this too.




KnightofMists -> RE: Authority Transfer (6/14/2007 7:02:18 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: kyraofMists

What aspects of your life do you or are you willing to transfer authority to your partner?

What aspects of your partners life do you want to have the authority transferred to you?


well you answered these questions when you said

quote:


Those who read posts from our family know that we view our relationship as an authority transfer dynamic where Alandra and I transfer all our authority to him.  He will exercise his authority in whatever aspects of our life that he wants and delegates back to us those aspects that he is not want to at that time.  In reading the responses others made to the Asking Permissions thread I had a few other questions



quote:


How did you arrive at the decision on what authority is transferred?


Now this question is a difficult one to answer.  I can't recall there ever being a specific moment that I decide this was what I wanted.  However, when I look back in particular to my relationship with Alandra.... Complete Authority Transfer (CAT) is what existed between us from the beginning. From the beginning I would exercise authority in making decisions in any area that I desired to.  Alandra was always willingly comply to my choices in all aspects.  These decisions where not made in isolation.  From the beginning, I would consult and seek Alandra's thoughts and feelings, but the decision was always mine to make.  In the beginning, Alandra would come to me seeking my choice on decisisons that she and no particular idea of my perference.  In time as she became aware of what I enjoyed and liked and would make choices that I wanted.  However, she was always quick to adjust when my preference changed.  In essense, in areas that I didn't choose to Exercise my Authority, I had delegated the choices to Alandra.  In these situations, Alandra was careful to ensure that she was still making choices that I would approve of.  Seeking permission was a very natural aspect for our dynamic from the very beginning.

*chuckles*  I remember in the beginning my Mother being rather frustrated by Alandra's hesitations to make choices without talking to me first.  More than a few occassions after going shopping with my Mother, Alandra was pushed and prodded to make purchases or to this or that without talking to me first.  Intially, these situations was rather stressfull for Alandra.  However, in time with a few conversations, soon Alandra was empowered in how to deal with my Mother.  Of course, my Mom being a smart cookie knew she been had.  She knew that regardless of the choices that she prodded Alandra into, Alandra somehow already had my blessing.  After that she started to poke at me since she could couldn't do a flank maneuver.

Well fast forward 15 years plus and in walks Kyra into my life.  Being rather set in the dynamic that has been established within my relationship with Alandra, it wasn't much a decision in what authority I would want from Kyra.  With Alandra it was a very natural flow and development from the beginning.  It was a very young woman of 17 that entered into a life long commitment.  It was a young woman that was rather adaptable with few relationship issues of the past.  The slate was rather clean.  With Kyra, an equally beautiful woman comes into my life, but she is alot of life experiences that colors her perceptions of relationships.  Many of norms of mainstream relationships have been embedded in her after all these years.  It really is unimportant that these same norms actually have contributed to her being unhapy with her past relationships.  It was in essense, All she Knew.  I came to realize that for many individuals like Kyra,  Individuals that are unaware of any other style/dynamic of relationship than what is expressed with mainstream society, will live that way regardless if it makes them happy or not.  They no other way.  The consequences of such a situation is to reduce their own relationship confidence.  They beat themselves up... they aren't happy within relationships.. using the only dyamics that they are aware of.

When Kyra came into my life she had just begun to become aware that there was another way.... but completely unaware of what that way was.  In the beginnning, it was teaching her what this new way was.  It was also a process of reaching within her past relationships and discovering that she was seeking Authority Transfer within them.  However, such a dynamic was not going to be realized and thus she was setup to be unhappy within those relationships.  Over the past couple years, it has been a steady process of embracing a new way to function within a relationship. Slowly she has and is replacing old norms of behavior with new ones.  New behaviors that actual contribute to her Happiness and Well-being.  It has not always been easy.  However, once the momentum started, it was not going be stopped by hanging on to behaviors and ideals that distract from her Happiness.  I often wondered what she is most actually scared of as she stepped into this new direction.  Was it the unknown dynamics before her, or was it the fact that despite those fears she was going to go in this direction.  That she was in fact compelled to move in a direction that was very much different than anything she was taught or raised with.

Thou both relationships followed a different road... they both arrived at the same destination eventually.  Which is the How.

but the Why?...  We arrived here because it brought Happiness and Well-being with our relationships.  This is the motivations that drives us to live the way we live.




RCdc -> RE: Authority Transfer (6/14/2007 7:39:45 AM)

kyra, I have to just say you have set two fantastic posts (this and the AskingPermissionThread - which I am still thinking on deeply to respond to) on the go that have made me stop and think bigtime.
Have to thank you for that.
 
quote:

What aspects of your life do you or are you willing to transfer authority to your partner?

This is something that Darcy and I are still discussing right now and learning from each other and finding that place where we are both happy, stable and comfortable. Ongoing process.
 
quote:

What aspects of your partners life do you want to have the authority transferred to you?

Again, an ongoing process for us right now but one thing that springs to mind immediately is trust.  That was so important to me, to him and to our relationship from the start that we both transfered the authority of trust across to each other and keep doing so (edit to add - not sure if that makes sense now I see it written - let me know if it doesn't)
 
quote:

How did you arrive at the decision on what authority is transferred?

We bring it up, discuss together and then Darcy makes the final decision after taking mine and his concerns into consideration.  I can think of more than a few times when he has just put his foot down - one time is fresh inmy mind and has a big impact on my response to your other thread and that was a huge thing for me to realise - which is why I am having such a hard time answering that other thread right now! (Kinda like an epiphany)
 
Peace
the.dark.




dawntreader -> RE: Authority Transfer (6/14/2007 7:43:44 AM)

Greetings KnightofMists,
 
Your post was beautiful to read :-)
For me, You and your girls are such inspiration and examples of the beauty and depth of WIIWD~




KnightofMists -> RE: Authority Transfer (6/14/2007 9:04:46 AM)

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ORIGINAL: dawntreader

Greetings KnightofMists,
 
Your post was beautiful to read :-)
For me, You and your girls are such inspiration and examples of the beauty and depth of WIIWD~


Thank you




velvetears -> RE: Authority Transfer (6/14/2007 10:54:13 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: kyraofMists

What aspects of your life do you or are you willing to transfer authority to your partner?

How did you arrive at the decision on what authority is transferred?



i would not hand over authority to control my money, my children, what friends i have, how i handle myself at work professionally.  i would never hand over authority to anyone who would threaten my privacy and risk outting me. 

i arrived at my decision by experience and loss.





kyraofMists -> RE: Authority Transfer (6/14/2007 3:02:59 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

*chuckles*  I remember in the beginning my Mother being rather frustrated by Alandra's hesitations to make choices without talking to me first.  More than a few occassions after going shopping with my Mother, Alandra was pushed and prodded to make purchases or to this or that without talking to me first.  Intially, these situations was rather stressfull for Alandra.  However, in time with a few conversations, soon Alandra was empowered in how to deal with my Mother.  Of course, my Mom being a smart cookie knew she been had.  She knew that regardless of the choices that she prodded Alandra into, Alandra somehow already had my blessing.  After that she started to poke at me since she could couldn't do a flank maneuver.


Hmmm... and what is my mom now doing?  *g*  She has obviously become aware that you approve my expenses and that I don't buy things without discussing it with you first.  Rather than poking and prodding me though, she buys it and says "You can pay me back later" and I think the rest of the sentence that is unspoken is "after you get his permission".  LOL





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