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SirMGD -> RE: Dom Tricks? (6/14/2007 7:46:27 AM)

Thank you noir, you are precisely right, and thank you again Micheal. Thank you as well Katy, for pointing out any possible weakness in the OP's strategy and methodology, but in the context of debate and rebuttal, your epiphanies seem sophmoric.



LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Dom Tricks? (6/14/2007 7:47:06 AM)

A few weeks ago I was at a party playing with a gorgeous blonde boy and had my whartenburg wheel out and was slowly and carefully enjoying some CBT with it.

A couple had been playing in the same room and came over to watch me semi-closely and finally said "Wow you're so gentle with him" (you can guess that she's one of those types who thinks bdsm is all just a big party and doesn't "get" it yet).  I just smiled and said I was just being very focused.  It was obvious to me that she had no idea just how precisely I was measuring out the pressure and placement to play on his masochism line.

So there's a trick- do not equate big bangs and screams with intensity.



BringerOfTears -> RE: Dom Tricks? (6/14/2007 8:02:39 AM)

Lucky,

You are quite right, what is intense for what might be boring for another.  Simply growling in the ear of a bound submissive might irritate one, excite another, and terrify someone afraid of the dark. 

The first time someone is naked at a party is vastly more intense that the 10th, for some the intensity never wears off, for others, they go from hating it to loving it.

I think for those new to the scene, that is one of the hardest lessons to learn, that what you see as intense and what the participants are feeling are often wildly different.  Often the quiet scenes are the intense ones and the showy loud ones are simply theater.



LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Dom Tricks? (6/14/2007 8:04:25 AM)

Well that's all completely true- but my point was more that big pain does not necessarily only come from big/loud toys.  Playing with nerves can be very softly and quietly done, yet be more excruciating than a singletail.



BossyShoeBitch -> RE: Dom Tricks? (6/14/2007 8:13:59 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Valyraen

In the interests of clarity: Precisely what sort of information are you looking to have us share? "Tricks of the trade" is all very well and good, but it's a phrase that gets thrown around so often it's become cliche, to say nothing of its absolute vagarity. Are you looking for sexual training techniques? Are you looking for us to share kinky things that we do during sex/scenes? No offense intended, but from the examples that you've posted and from what you've responded to, it seems that you're, as someone once so delicately put it, "trolling for wank fodder."



Oops!  You mean we aren't supposed to troll for wank fodder?  Awww crap!
*slowly and dejectedly walks off to ponder her depraved behavior.[image]http://www.collarchat.com/micons/m17.gif[/image]



SirMGD -> RE: Dom Tricks? (6/14/2007 8:23:55 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BossyShoeBitch

Oops!  You mean we aren't supposed to troll for wank fodder?  Awww crap!
*slowly and dejectedly walks off to ponder her depraved behavior.[image]http://www.collarchat.com/micons/m17.gif[/image]


thank you BSB, while not necessarily on topic, I have often wondered why some here are not honored, much less, even care, that others might use them or their ideas as fantasy fodder....but I am likely unenlightened, and have no clue as to their prudish need for privacy, much less that anyone might dare enjoy anything by their expense, and that they are therefore, properly and self-righteously vindictive and indignant.



BringerOfTears -> RE: Dom Tricks? (6/14/2007 8:33:22 AM)

SirMGD,

You are new here so you don't know that men often post questions that are clearly designed to get us to be unwilling parts of their fantasy.  I do not think that is your goal here and I am not sure why some are exhibiting such vitriol towards this thread as I find it quite fascinating.



SirMGD -> RE: Dom Tricks? (6/14/2007 8:36:55 AM)

Actually Im far from new here, I just had to make a new name as my previous one had "problems" shall we say? but thanks for your support.

And no, that is far from my intent. If it were, and since i am hetero, I'd have likely posted in "Ask a Mistress"



SirMGD -> RE: Dom Tricks? (6/14/2007 12:27:45 PM)

ok, one of my favorites~orgasm control
slave tied standing, hands behind, by the bed, knees slightly parted. After some extended kissing and carressing, I lay on the bed next to her, find her G-spot, and begin the precise technique of rythmical circular motions to bring her off. once, twice, 3 times...(this can take anywhere from 15 minutes to an hour and a half, depending on the woman) I then forbid further orgasm, but continue the inexorable rythmic motions. If done properly she will soon know she has no choice but to come again, albeit without permission. This can continue up to 6-7 times, but much more, and the orgasm itself can become excruciatingly painful. There is nothing I enjoy more than the resigned look of fear on a slaves face as she does so, knowing what punishment is to follow. What is to follow is of course up yo you. and the extent of control exerted teaches the slave that her genitalia is your property. Or not, depending on your preference. She also learns that you know precisely how to touch and caress her, and there are few women alive who do not at least find that aspect endearing.

(If you dont know how to properly stimulate the G-Spot, contact me privately with your email and I'll send you a pdf which outlines the technique and other needful approaches with women, that I must say, work rather well)



LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Dom Tricks? (6/14/2007 2:26:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SirMGD
slave tied standing, hands behind, by the bed, knees slightly parted. After some extended kissing and carressing, I lay on the bed next to her

Is she laying down or standing???

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I then forbid further orgasm, but continue the inexorable rythmic motions. If done properly she will soon know she has no choice but to come again, albeit without permission. This can continue up to 6-7 times, but much more, and the orgasm itself can become excruciatingly painful. There is nothing I enjoy more than the resigned look of fear on a slaves face as she does so, knowing what punishment is to follow. What is to follow is of course up yo you. and the extent of control exerted teaches the slave that her genitalia is your property. Or not, depending on your preference. She also learns that you know precisely how to touch and caress her, and there are few women alive who do not at least find that aspect endearing.

(If you dont know how to properly stimulate the G-Spot, contact me privately with your email and I'll send you a pdf which outlines the technique and other needful approaches with women, that I must say, work rather well)


That's not orgasm control, that's forced multiple orgasms

Not all women orgasm from gspot stimulation alone, let alone multiple orgasms

Many subs would feel very emotionally devastated at specifically being ordered not to and then still forced to orgasm.

I also don't play the punishment game at all. 



SirMGD -> RE: Dom Tricks? (6/14/2007 2:47:28 PM)

LA, can you read?
How are we to expect any masters to share their secrets here if they know kibitzers like you wait in the wings to shoot their sharings down in flames? Even if youre right about all you say, I have specifically asked you and others not to assess and denigrate what is shared. I have watched you do this for a long time LA. I admit you know a lot, and seem bent on convincing those who don't. I am certain that neither I, nor anyone who shares their techniques means any harm to anyone else by doing so.
Devastated huh? Please. as if.
thanks for jacking my thread....lol

edit: I'm outta here, its your thread now.



LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Dom Tricks? (6/14/2007 3:06:27 PM)

I'm all about giving advice.  I'm not all about giving misinformation.

Yes, we can all abide by YMMV, but knowing the dorks who hang around here, unless this were a specific expert forum, I feel it's better to be explicit on the variations to take into consideration.

And there's no if.  I'm right.



felineone -> RE: Dom Tricks? (6/14/2007 3:22:30 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SirMGD

LA, can you read?
How are we to expect any masters to share their secrets here if they know kibitzers like you wait in the wings to shoot their sharings down in flames? Even if youre right about all you say, I have specifically asked you and others not to assess and denigrate what is shared. I have watched you do this for a long time LA. I admit you know a lot, and seem bent on convincing those who don't. I am certain that neither I, nor anyone who shares their techniques means any harm to anyone else by doing so.
Devastated huh? Please. as if.
thanks for jacking my thread....lol

edit: I'm outta here, its your thread now.


I know you say you are "outta here", but I would have a huge problem with being set up to fail as well. this is a slippery slope. Orgasm control, asking for permission is a difficult thing sometimes, and to do something like this to someone just messes it all up. Why bother to ask permission anymore if it is denied, then forced to go against that denial? 
sometimes it's best to think these things through.



SimplyMichael -> RE: Dom Tricks? (6/14/2007 3:27:51 PM)

I have to toss my vote in with LA on this. She is absolutely right and despite my enjoyment of this thread, if someone posted stupid shit and LA hadn't nailed em for it, I would.

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  There is nothing I enjoy more than the resigned look of fear on a slaves face as she does so, knowing what punishment is to follow. What is to follow is of course up yo you. and the extent of control exerted teaches the slave that her genitalia is your property.


If you "control" it and "it" orgasms then there should be no punishment, well there should be, someone should get a 2x4 clue and wrap you upside the head.



KatyLied -> RE: Dom Tricks? (6/14/2007 5:26:31 PM)

quote:

edit: I'm outta here, its your thread now.


Anyone taking bets on when he'll show up, you know they always return.



AquaticSub -> RE: Dom Tricks? (6/14/2007 5:48:45 PM)

I'm just confused as to why you are punishing a slave to the point where she is scared for something you did.

By the way, not a flame - just a question. It really doesn't make sense to me.



marieToo -> RE: Dom Tricks? (6/14/2007 6:11:05 PM)

Maybe she gets off on the head trip of being scared and/or confused.  Maybe she digs feeling the 'fear' he describes.  

Personally, the punishment game isnt my thing either, but for some it is. Maybe she likes being "punished" for orgasming.   If both parties are consenting to it and the chick digs it and is willing to allow it and participates in the game, it's no different than any other kink. 



Celeste43 -> RE: Dom Tricks? (6/14/2007 6:50:28 PM)

As per your example, some of us cannot orgasm while standing. He's tried damn near everything over the last few years and it doesn't work on me, I feel my knees start to give and arousal departs, superceded by self preservation.

As far as forbidding me to do something and make it impossible for me to submit? That's setting me up for failure and it rebounds on the person who does it. Because long after you've stopped thinking about what you did, I'm still distrusting you, watching you and analyzing your words and actions, and keeping a wall between us to protect me from you. Doesn't matter if you do it because you have a great time doing it, I still won't trust you or submit to you afterwards. Endgame, no replays.



AquaticSub -> RE: Dom Tricks? (6/14/2007 7:03:43 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: marieToo

Maybe she gets off on the head trip of being scared and/or confused.  Maybe she digs feeling the 'fear' he describes.  

Personally, the punishment game isnt my thing either, but for some it is. Maybe she likes being "punished" for orgasming.   If both parties are consenting to it and the chick digs it and is willing to allow it and participates in the game, it's no different than any other kink. 



I like, no I love, being "punished". But I'm not afraid of the "punishment". It's one of those "Oh no Sir, please don't flog me with that terrible weapon of doom and please, oh god please, don't run that spikey wheel over my tenderized skin!" things. [:)]



BossyShoeBitch -> RE: Dom Tricks? (6/14/2007 9:24:41 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SirMGD

ok, one of my favorites~orgasm control
slave tied standing, hands behind, by the bed, knees slightly parted. After some extended kissing and carressing, I lay on the bed next to her, find her G-spot, and begin the precise technique of rythmical circular motions to bring her off. once, twice, 3 times...(this can take anywhere from 15 minutes to an hour and a half, depending on the woman) I then forbid further orgasm, but continue the inexorable rythmic motions. If done properly she will soon know she has no choice but to come again, albeit without permission. This can continue up to 6-7 times, but much more, and the orgasm itself can become excruciatingly painful. There is nothing I enjoy more than the resigned look of fear on a slaves face as she does so, knowing what punishment is to follow. What is to follow is of course up yo you. and the extent of control exerted teaches the slave that her genitalia is your property. Or not, depending on your preference. She also learns that you know precisely how to touch and caress her, and there are few women alive who do not at least find that aspect endearing.

(If you dont know how to properly stimulate the G-Spot, contact me privately with your email and I'll send you a pdf which outlines the technique and other needful approaches with women, that I must say, work rather well)


For some subs, I can see how this would work.  For others, I would imagine the payoff would be their Dom  granting permission to cum just in the nick of time.

Just out of curiousity, if this is your definition of orgasm control, how would you then define forced orgasms?



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