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tenderfootmaster -> RE: Ron Paul on "The Colbert Report" (6/14/2007 8:33:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slaveluci Anyone see him on there last night? Wasn't it refreshing to see a politician actually saying something sensible for a change? He probably doesn't stand a snowball's chance of getting anywhere but he's sensible, honest, and not afraid to throw partisan nonsense out the window. Oh, if only............luci P.S. Was it just me or did that segment about Hannity and Colmes and their differing responses to the old Reagan speech crack you up too[8D]? We need more honest politicians!

subfever -> RE: Ron Paul on "The Colbert Report" (6/14/2007 8:43:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: UtopianRanger quote: ORIGINAL: cyberdude611 Why does the left wing like this guy so much? Because he's anti-war? The guy is the most right-wing candidate in both fields. Sure he is anti-war, but he is also in favor of completely sealing the borders and pulling out of our trade agreements. He also wants to dramatically cut social programs in the government. He is an isolationist. He represents what the GOP was back in the 1920s and 1930s. And it is a philosophy that just didn't work....and some argue it made World War II worse. Yanno..... Nearly every time I read one of your posts, I feel like I'm reading something mouthed from Hannity's pet parrot. Any time it deals with foreign policy, your rhetoric is derived solely from neocon-status-quo cable television programming. How in the fuck do you equate a non-boogeyman, normalized relations, non-interventionist, non-aggressive, non-militaristic way of thinking, to isolationism and how the republicans were back in the 30's? The only folks making that kind of comparison are your friends from the Fox news channel. - R Now that's an absolute bulls-eye if I ever saw one.

selfbnd411 -> RE: Ron Paul on "The Colbert Report" (6/14/2007 8:51:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subfever You gotta admire any politician who says "Fuck the political implications, I'm gonna tell the truth." Just this one fact alone is enough for my vote. There's a luxury in not having a chance in hell of winning. Why not vote for Mike Gravele? He hasn't got a chance in hell either, and he acts like he's got a burr under his saddle all the time!

subfever -> RE: Ron Paul on "The Colbert Report" (6/14/2007 8:56:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: selfbnd411 quote: ORIGINAL: subfever You gotta admire any politician who says "Fuck the political implications, I'm gonna tell the truth." Just this one fact alone is enough for my vote. There's a luxury in not having a chance in hell of winning. Why not vote for Mike Gravele? He hasn't got a chance in hell either, and he acts like he's got a burr under his saddle all the time! Yeah, well... we can all just keep on voting for the lesser of two evils. And guess what we're gonna get?

slaveluci -> RE: Ron Paul on "The Colbert Report" (6/14/2007 9:25:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: selfbnd411 It's fine to support him if you're a libertarian. You're right that he doesn't have a chance, and that's probably why a lot of lefties admire him--there's no need to come up with a rationale for being a leftie who supports a libertarian if the guy hasn't got a chance Good point quote: I think Colbert did a fantastic job with him, though. I liked the "raise your hand if you want to abolish X agency" part! Yeah, his hand just kept getting higher and higher[:)]...........luci

slaveluci -> RE: Ron Paul on "The Colbert Report" (6/14/2007 9:28:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: selfbnd411 I'm not concerned about what happens to rebels. They reaped what they sowed. I'm gonna have to disagree with you there. They may have rebelled but they didn't deserve to be murdered. I really would suggest you watch that video. Regardless of your feelings about Koresh and his followers, it's a very eye-opening film...............luci

slaveluci -> RE: Ron Paul on "The Colbert Report" (6/14/2007 9:29:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Level Ron Paul on Colbert - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUd7OW2TvN8 Thank you dear.....as always, the clip "King"[:)]..........luci

DomKen -> RE: Ron Paul on "The Colbert Report" (6/14/2007 9:50:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: StructuredKing Anytime you pump CS into an enclosed space, knowing that there's children without gas masks inside- it's attempted murder. I've spent 30 seconds exposed to MILD concentrations of CS, and it's the most horrible sensation ever. As for the murder, and "suicide", it was much more likely the known pyrotechnic "side-effects" of highly flammable military CS. Nice try at evasion. First of all it is very well established that the Davidians started the fire. all claims to the contrary have been completely and utterly refuted. Second what does that have to do with President Clinton's handling of Waco? Are you seriously claiming that the POTUS should be involved in the tactical planning of a law enforcement operation? Or are you just trying to obfuscate your way out of being called to task for an insiniuation you can't support?

slaveluci -> RE: Ron Paul on "The Colbert Report" (6/14/2007 9:52:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen it is very well established that the Davidians started the fire. all claims to the contrary have been completely and utterly refuted. Not so. Watch the video[>:]...........luci

DomKen -> RE: Ron Paul on "The Colbert Report" (6/14/2007 10:10:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Slavehandsome You asked "what did Clinton do?" that was wrong during the Waco event. Clinton was the only person who could approve deploying Delta Force on taxpayers. Delta Force was in the tanks, and that is strictly forbidden in that outdated document called the Constitution. It is also known that the ATF fired the first shots. That is documented. Do you have any evidence delta force operators were in the CEV's? Why would you want special ops guys in engineering vehicles? Wouldn't the smart play have been to have guys trained to operate them in the CEV's? Also since you claim using US troops is forbidden by the US Constitution could you quote the relevant passage? Finished looking? Came up empty? That's because the Constitution does not forbid any such thing. What forbids the the use of federal troops in law enforcement is the Posse Comitatus act. The special prosecutor for Waco determined that the use of the CEV's and their crews, not Delta Force operators, was within the law. The ATF shot first. So what? Are you claiming President Clinton ordered them to? As to China and ICBM's. Please at least fact check what Rush says occasionally. The Chinese started building their DF-5 ICBM, capable of reaching most of the US, in the late 60's. DF-5A's have the ability to hit even more of the US and have been in the Chinese Arsenal since 1981. The DF-5's and their succesors are the basis of the Long March launch vehicles the Chinese use to launch satellites. So unless Clinton had access to US ICBM tech while a college student it seems unlikely he enabled China to build ICBM's capable of hitting the US.

DomKen -> RE: Ron Paul on "The Colbert Report" (6/14/2007 10:16:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slaveluci quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen it is very well established that the Davidians started the fire. all claims to the contrary have been completely and utterly refuted. Not so. Watch the video[>:]...........luci Already did. You need to keep up. Rules of Engagements claim about the fires starting was conclusively disproven. The test were conducted with the full particpation of the Davidians lawyers and they dropped the claim see: Final Report to the Deputy Attorney General concening the 1993 confrontation at the Mt. Carmel Complex, Waco, Texas, John C. Danforth, Special Council (November 8, 2000) The Davidians set the fires and killed themselves.

cyberdude611 -> RE: Ron Paul on "The Colbert Report" (6/14/2007 10:27:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: slaveluci quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen it is very well established that the Davidians started the fire. all claims to the contrary have been completely and utterly refuted. Not so. Watch the video[>:]...........luci Already did. You need to keep up. Rules of Engagements claim about the fires starting was conclusively disproven. The test were conducted with the full particpation of the Davidians lawyers and they dropped the claim see: Final Report to the Deputy Attorney General concening the 1993 confrontation at the Mt. Carmel Complex, Waco, Texas, John C. Danforth, Special Council (November 8, 2000) The Davidians set the fires and killed themselves. Even if that was true...was it necessary for the FBI and ATF to hold the fire trucks from going in? And was it necessary for the ATF to put their flag on the flagpole outside the compound and pretend as if it was some kind of military conquest?

Level -> RE: Ron Paul on "The Colbert Report" (6/15/2007 3:09:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slaveluci quote: ORIGINAL: Level Ron Paul on Colbert - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUd7OW2TvN8 Thank you dear.....as always, the clip "King"[:)]..........luci [;)]

caitlyn -> RE: Ron Paul on "The Colbert Report" (6/15/2007 5:10:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: selfbnd411 That's fine, except Ron Paul is a Libertarian and he's diametrically opposed to everything to the left of moderate Republicanism! This guy wants to get rid of every federal agency except the Army--that includes Social Security, Medicare, student aid...you name it. If I might be so bold as to make a suggestion, Professor ... I would get on Dr. Paul's website and read his views for yourself, rather than reading what other people say his views are. You can also gather from his voting record, that in many instances, what he seems to be voting against is massive pork attached to bills, rather than the parent legislation.

DomKen -> RE: Ron Paul on "The Colbert Report" (6/15/2007 6:53:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cyberdude611 quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Already did. You need to keep up. Rules of Engagements claim about the fires starting was conclusively disproven. The test were conducted with the full particpation of the Davidians lawyers and they dropped the claim see: Final Report to the Deputy Attorney General concening the 1993 confrontation at the Mt. Carmel Complex, Waco, Texas, John C. Danforth, Special Council (November 8, 2000) The Davidians set the fires and killed themselves. Even if that was true...was it necessary for the FBI and ATF to hold the fire trucks from going in? And was it necessary for the ATF to put their flag on the flagpole outside the compound and pretend as if it was some kind of military conquest? Gunfire had just been emerging from those buildings. According to some reports gunfire was still coming from the buildings. Do you send firefighters into the middle of an ongoing battle? Want to bet if any of them got shot that the FBI agent in charge would have lost his job? As to flags. I have no idea what you're talking about. ATF has a flag? But anyway in a chaotic situation like that bringing down whatever the Davidians were flying and putting up the US flag or some ATF standard lets anyone out in the brush like the Davidians who had escaped the fire that the governments forces had established control and it was safe to surrender.

selfbnd411 -> RE: Ron Paul on "The Colbert Report" (6/15/2007 7:11:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: caitlyn If I might be so bold as to make a suggestion, Professor ... I would get on Dr. Paul's website and read his views for yourself, rather than reading what other people say his views are. You can also gather from his voting record, that in many instances, what he seems to be voting against is massive pork attached to bills, rather than the parent legislation. [:)] Don't need to...He said the same thing on Colbert and the Daily Show. It wasn't "Well, I think these programs are dated and need a bit of modification," or "I think we need to think about phasing these programs out," or anything nebulous like that. It was "get rid of these programs now." The guy sounds like he jumped out of a time machine from 1877!

slaveluci -> RE: Ron Paul on "The Colbert Report" (6/15/2007 7:31:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Already did. You need to keep up Apparently so, DomKen. I stand corrected[&:]. quote: Rules of Engagements claim about the fires starting was conclusively disproven. The test were conducted with the full particpation of the Davidians lawyers and they dropped the claim see: Final Report to the Deputy Attorney General concening the 1993 confrontation at the Mt. Carmel Complex, Waco, Texas, John C. Danforth, Special Council (November 8, 2000) I wasn't aware of this particular report. Thanks for the info. quote: The Davidians set the fires and killed themselves It's not like they had a lot of options left at that point. Regardless of how the fire started, they were backed into such a corner that it was either that or be shot to death by govt. agents. Guess they just chose to take control of the means of their deaths rather than be gunned down. The bottom line, for me, is that they shouldn't have been in a situation where they had to choose which way would be preferable to die. It should have never gotten to the point it did. Since you watched the video, you are obviously aware that the government had every opportunity to get to Koresh in a way that would not have led to the stand-off. They chose, instead, to go in guns blazing trying to get some glory. They created the mess they got involved in as surely (more so actually) than Koresh. They just didn't expect to get back as much as they gave. The deaths on all sides were sad and unnecessary but I maintain that the government was as least as much, if not moreso, responsible than Koresh or any of his group. Thanks for the information on that report..........slave luci

slaveluci -> RE: Ron Paul on "The Colbert Report" (6/15/2007 7:43:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cyberdude611 Even if that was true...was it necessary for the FBI and ATF to hold the fire trucks from going in? NONE of what happened was truly necessary. It was a purposeful decision to sweep in there and make a "raid" rather than just finding Koresh in town and handling matters without a standoff. They thought it would make for a great news story, I suppose: "Bad, bad religious nuts with guns vanquished by our government protectors"[:'(]. And as for the government agents seeing it as some kind of conquest, to them it was to have been a conquest. It took a little more effort than they had expected or hoped and they lost some of their own men (whose lives are obviously worth much more than those of the Davidian group, including children). In the end, they "won" (if you call shooting at innocent people until they set their home on fire to escape "winning"). I think the entire group from Janet Reno on down were nothing short of murderers. Koresh was in town alot and could have been approached peacefully there. They chose to take the chance (a very good chance and they knew that) of making it a stand-off. When the Davidians didn't just lie down and take it but actually defended their home, the government agents seemed so shocked and appalled. Do I think Koresh was a prophet and an honorable man? Nope. But I think he was correct about a few things, the main one being "We gotta watch out for our government. They're out to get us." Crazy fool - where would he EVER get an idea like that?[8D]...........slave luci

slaveluci -> RE: Ron Paul on "The Colbert Report" (6/15/2007 7:48:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen Gunfire had just been emerging from those buildings. According to some reports gunfire was still coming from the buildings. Do you send firefighters into the middle of an ongoing battle? Want to bet if any of them got shot that the FBI agent in charge would have lost his job? Probably the best decision would have been not to have started said battle to begin with but, that aside.............You're probably right. Firefighters and FBI agents getting fired at or shot is not acceptable. To me, neither is shooting and gassing innocent civilians but ya know, that may just be me. Seems to work fine for our law enforcement and military folks. And I'm sure you're correct. Spearheading this unnecessary raid turned massacre probably got a few folks some medals. Allowing a firefighter through to do his job and then he gets caught in the crossfire? THAT would have gotten some heads rolling. The value of life all depends upon whose life it is and which "side" they were on apparantly. quote: in a chaotic situation like that bringing down whatever the Davidians were flying and putting up the US flag or some ATF standard lets anyone out in the brush like the Davidians who had escaped the fire that the governments forces had established control and it was safe to surrender "Yeah, it's safe now little Davidians. We came to protect you. We've made it all safe for you now. Come on out and surrender to us. We'll do you no harm"[:'(]............slave luci

caitlyn -> RE: Ron Paul on "The Colbert Report" (6/15/2007 8:09:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: selfbnd411 [:)] Don't need to...He said the same thing on Colbert and the Daily Show. It wasn't "Well, I think these programs are dated and need a bit of modification," or "I think we need to think about phasing these programs out," or anything nebulous like that. It was "get rid of these programs now." Well, here are the links for both of those programs. http://www.ronpaul2008.com/videos/2007-06-13-colbert-report/ http://www.ronpaul2008.com/videos/2007-06-04-daily-show/ I would be curious if you could point out where the words Social Security was ever used at all. Same for Student Aid ... I must have missed it. Medicare was mentioned, but only for Dr. Paul to indicate that he didn't accept it as a Physician. He discussed a transition period, etc ... If you really know the message, and are not just spreading mistruths, as you are here ... you would know the point is to legalize competition, get rid of excess regulation (for example, why do we have a Department of Education, when the States have their own). and to move more power to local governments, as provided in the Constitution. I'm glad you aren't one of my profs. [;)][;)]

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