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ProtagonistLily -> RE: Money slaves?? (6/18/2005 5:24:30 AM)
quote: I am sure there are a few honest pro-dommes here, but how can you find them amongst all the prostitutes, con and scam artists? Most women here ask for an honest and sincere, gentle, loving, and caring man, yet these are the men that they pro-dommes abuse. After just one experience, do you think those men will trust the real thing? You should protect those men ladies, protect them from the cheats and con women, so that they are available to that woman who truly needs an honest man. How hard is it, talk to a pro-domme, tell her you hit the lottery yesterday, cash, all cash, agree to meet, make her drive 300 miles and stiff her. How many times would it take. This is a great place, a great community, spirited, fun and full of real opportunity for kinky D/s contact. Don't let it fail. Do something, don't talk something. There is a national organization called PEP..People Exchanging Power, that was started by Nancy Ava Miller. In addition to having PEP Support groups around the country, they also have a network of ethical Femme Dommes. These women are the real deal and operate ethically. You can find them on the web at About PEP Good luck, Lily

McWhips -> RE: Money slaves?? (6/18/2005 9:27:22 AM)
Out of all the Straight Dommes in UK between 18 and 24 on this site (9) 5 are looking for just money, 1 is a Pro, while the other 2 quite possibly are fake anyway while the other could be a fake too, I dont know if shes real yet but I hope she is!!! cos were talking. Anyway by the standards of this site I am probably EXTREMELY lucky, but otherwise I would suggest no to use this site unless you are looking to give a stranger you dont know and will never meet lots of money or pay to see a Pro Domme.

McWhips -> RE: Money slaves?? (6/18/2005 9:40:57 AM)
Something else that begs my curiosity and makes me laugh (a bit) is the fact that I have read in so many places that sub men who just want to give their money to a stranger are quite rare! if this is the case then why are the majority of Dommes looking for such a thing? when 90% of sub men arent looking for such a thing! It certainly makes one curious!. Another thing I am curious about is there are Some Male Doms looking for 'money pigs' (apparently or so Ive been told although I have NEVER seen one!). What makes me curious is how come if financial slavery is a genuine fetish etc etc then why is it that pretty much only male subs (who the hell are they?) and 'Fem Dommes' practice it?. I mean pretty much EVERY other submissive desire is the same for male and female subs such as flagellation, caging, electro, pegs, oral, feet, Bondage etc etc etc etc. The answer COULD be that financial slavery is a fetish desired ONLY by MOST Female Dommes and male subs. Or it could be for another reason which I would prefer to believe as it seems more logical to me coughs.......Im not gonna bother saying it tho cos I will be seen as an asshole!!!....oh well! I would like to invite a male sub financial slave to write here and put him self forward for discussion, I would also like to invite a Domme who wants strangers to give them money for nothing to talk here too.

GoddessDustyGold -> RE: Money slaves?? (6/18/2005 11:42:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: McWhips Something else that begs my curiosity and makes me laugh (a bit) is the fact that I have read in so many places that sub men who just want to give their money to a stranger are quite rare! if this is the case then why are the majority of Dommes looking for such a thing? when 90% of sub men arent looking for such a thing! It certainly makes one curious!. Another thing I am curious about is there are Some Male Doms looking for 'money pigs' (apparently or so Ive been told although I have NEVER seen one!). What makes me curious is how come if financial slavery is a genuine fetish etc etc then why is it that pretty much only male subs (who the hell are they?) and 'Fem Dommes' practice it?. I mean pretty much EVERY other submissive desire is the same for male and female subs such as flagellation, caging, electro, pegs, oral, feet, Bondage etc etc etc etc. The answer COULD be that financial slavery is a fetish desired ONLY by MOST Female Dommes and male subs. Or it could be for another reason which I would prefer to believe as it seems more logical to me coughs.......Im not gonna bother saying it tho cos I will be seen as an asshole!!!....oh well! I would like to invite a male sub financial slave to write here and put him self forward for discussion, I would also like to invite a Domme who wants strangers to give them money for nothing to talk here too. you are right, McWhips...there aren't that many boys who make this commitment. The ones who do are seeking control in their life and because they can't live-in, this is a good way to be controlled. I believe the reason you see so many flagrant ads dealing in the humiliation factor, and calling boys "money pigs", et al, is because their are ladies who dive into this practice on the internet because they see other ads of this nature, and they make an assumption that there are a lot of boys out there who are willing to fork it over. They are not lifestyle Dominas. I have said that before, and this is the last time I will say it. So you are wrong when you state that it is only the Dommes who want this fetish. But there are a lot of people (people, not Dominas) who think they can jump onto the bandwagon of this fetish for some easy cash. I can't do anything about them. For the few who fall into the trap and think this is an across the board requirement to even speak to or receive an email from a Domina, that is their problem. They should be doing some research and taking some responsibility. I have answered that very question on this board (and others) when posted by a newbie who was seeking that information. And I told those newbies that I do not require it, and many others do not. he found his answer, because he asked a polite and respectful question. I have personally controlled boys in this manner in the past. Not very many, but a few. They are out there and I am very ethical. I have also had many ( I mean dozens and dozens) of boys approach Me and offer money. Then they back outl. I guess the offer was enough to get them off for that moment. So whose time was wasted there? But I deal with it and roll with the punches. And I am not asking for the bucks in the first place. In response to your comment of Dommes who want boys to give them money with nothing in return, you probably are not going to see them on these boards. They are here for one reason, and one reason only. To find out if there are any suckers out there. They will eventually remove their profiles on the other side, and more will come to take their place. Deal with it! I have other sites where I do offer financial domination for long distance boys who want and need this. They are, indeed getting something in return, because I do not ignore them and simply accept money. They are getting control in many areas of their life that all hinges on the control of their spending. And, yes, some of that money comes to Me. Big deal! All the boys I see on this site are adamant about offering their bodies for My use. "Use me, use me!" they say. A few even say they will not even charge Me for that use! Grow up, and get over it. And I do wish you much good luck with the Lady you are speaking with right now.

onceburned -> RE: Money slaves?? (6/18/2005 11:56:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: McWhips Out of all the Straight Dommes in UK between 18 and 24 on this site You might consider looking at the dommes 25-30 years old. My impression of dommes in the U.S. is that the under 25 crowd does get a lot of experimenters who simply are testing the water to see what they might catch.

onceburned -> RE: Money slaves?? (6/18/2005 11:59:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGold All the boys I see on this site are adamant about offering their bodies for My use. "Use me, use me!" they say. A few even say they will not even charge Me for that use! That's right, but the offer is limited so don't delay! Hurry, hurry... get them while they are hot! [;)]

oralboy222 -> RE: Money slaves?? (6/19/2005 4:56:11 AM)
Sending money to a stranger,by electronic or net transfer is an incredibly naive and stupid thing to do,undoubtedly,but amazingly,(i love these BIG words-i sound edjecated) it does happen. In the States do you have the "Nigerian Scams" problem,(we in NZ do),or other such investment scams and there are suckers who send money,(give it-let it be taken from them). It's true, a fool and his/her money are soon parted-the capitalist system relies on this!

McWhips -> RE: Money slaves?? (6/19/2005 7:25:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: onceburned quote: ORIGINAL: McWhips Out of all the Straight Dommes in UK between 18 and 24 on this site You might consider looking at the dommes 25-30 years old. My impression of dommes in the U.S. is that the under 25 crowd does get a lot of experimenters who simply are testing the water to see what they might catch. Well I did and it appears as though a large proportion of the 25-30 in US also are looking for money, and say things like 'Wallet in your mouth' and 'Money pigs'. If your into that kind of thing then this site is GGGRRREEEAAATT!!!!!!................I suppose if your not then I guess theres nowhere for you seeing as most of it nowadays seems to be about 'money pigs' etc......Shame that is. To be honest I think its the same as a playground of children, if there arent enough responsible genuine adults who actually give a shit for kids then this will leave a vacuum for pedophiles abusers and unscroupulous people. It makes me wonder about these personal sites. They are all usually quite ambiguos to me and as much as I come to these places looking for likeminded individuals but then cant help think I might as well have gone to a site offering 'services'. There plenty of money to be made out of peoples emotional loneliness and needs. Then again if I was the only sub male on this planet I suppose I could get away with charging Fem Dommes a cool 1 million to touch me on the elbow with a 100 yard long stick but I dont think I would do that.

McWhips -> RE: Money slaves?? (6/19/2005 7:33:09 AM)
As for anyone coming here to deal with money for whatever reason be it a Pro Domme or Financial Mistress, I dont see these kind of people such as Vanilla prostitutes go into Vanilla dating sites places and establishments. Can you imagine how weird it would be to go to a singles night or a speed dating thing looking for someone to find out that most women will be involved with you providing you payed them a few 100?

McWhips -> RE: Money slaves?? (6/19/2005 7:42:56 AM)
Not that genuine Dommes looking for a submissive partner would mind Pro-Dommes and money Mistresses going to the same areas as them (seeing as there is little competition between such things) I wonder how Pro-Dommes etc would feel if non-Pro Dommes looking for real relationships where to advertize in the Pro Dommes sites in the same way Pro Dommes advertize in personals sites? ...................just a question!

LadyAngelika -> RE: Money slaves?? (6/19/2005 11:12:07 AM)
The world is the way that it is. Sex and money are the ultimate power. Whether a woman is a domme or a sub, she usually holds the sex bargaining chip and whether the man is a dom or a sub, he usually holds the money bargaining chip. This is an absolutely sexist comment, I know, and I'm not one to usually make such sexist, broad sweeping statements but it is most definitely a very strong pattern in our society. Would I like to see it change? Yes. Do I have much faith that it’s going to? No. But this would explain why there are very few women sending men money as part of their kink. I have had offers from local men who I have met face to face to support me financially 100%. They told me that if I took them on as my slave, they would provide for me everything I wanted and I could spend my days shopping and going to spas if I wanted. That might be nice for a week, maybe two but then my brain would crave stimulation and I would crave to accomplish something! Also, on a personal level, I cannot have someone else supporting me. I would tax my self-esteem a great deal. So this option is not one for me. As for whether or not I have issue with ProDommes or MoneyDommes being on the same site as me? Nope. I tend to just live and let live. On one hand, I can understand your frustration. You dislike this very much. On the other hand, I think you need to just let it go. This is not going to change just because you don’t like it. You have the ability to recognise the signs of what you want in a Domme and what you don’t want. Consider yourself lucky for this. Your time would probably be better spent trying to focussing on what you want, what you need, what you desire rather then what you dislike. - LA

AAkasha -> RE: Money slaves?? (6/19/2005 11:30:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: McWhips quote: ORIGINAL: onceburned quote: ORIGINAL: McWhips Out of all the Straight Dommes in UK between 18 and 24 on this site You might consider looking at the dommes 25-30 years old. My impression of dommes in the U.S. is that the under 25 crowd does get a lot of experimenters who simply are testing the water to see what they might catch. Well I did and it appears as though a large proportion of the 25-30 in US also are looking for money, and say things like 'Wallet in your mouth' and 'Money pigs'. If your into that kind of thing then this site is GGGRRREEEAAATT!!!!!!................I suppose if your not then I guess theres nowhere for you seeing as most of it nowadays seems to be about 'money pigs' etc......Shame that is. To be honest I think its the same as a playground of children, if there arent enough responsible genuine adults who actually give a shit for kids then this will leave a vacuum for pedophiles abusers and unscroupulous people. It makes me wonder about these personal sites. They are all usually quite ambiguos to me and as much as I come to these places looking for likeminded individuals but then cant help think I might as well have gone to a site offering 'services'. There plenty of money to be made out of peoples emotional loneliness and needs. Then again if I was the only sub male on this planet I suppose I could get away with charging Fem Dommes a cool 1 million to touch me on the elbow with a 100 yard long stick but I dont think I would do that. You know what, it's not unusual for someone new to this place to come on and post this same general rant. And then the regulars here give the same reasoning, explanations, yadda yadda. But then the posters continue to whine about it. Whine, whine whine. It's the way it is. No one says you have to send anyone money. No, not all femdoms are just in it for the money. But, what astonishes me is this. When you post your complaint here, you are preaching to the choir. The money scammers aren't spending time reading the forums. You are actually bitching to the women you are trying to attract (in general) -- that is, the women who are into this because it's a passion. Otherwise, we wouldn't be so involved in talking about our experiences, listening to others, and giving feedback. So, what happens is that you subs start sounding like crybabies and whiners. BOO HOO. We're sorry we can't hand deliver the femdom of your dreams to your doorstep. It's not our job. However, it might be a good idea to use your time to post interesting, engaging articles that give an idea of who you are as a person -- not just stuff that shows how bent out of shape you are that you can't get it for free. For all the active femdom posters here, there are probably plenty more lurking and reading. You're turning them off, too. You maid your point. Get over it. Use your time here to instead make a positive impression. Akasha

McWhips -> RE: Money slaves?? (6/19/2005 11:46:35 AM)
I wasnt asking for you to deliver the femdom of my dreams while most sub men who cant get it for free arent bent and out of shape its more often another reason such as the ones I have been through previously. (Not that I pay for it or would). Do u honestly think that a male sub that comes here to find the majority of the Dommes looking for cash cows means hes bent and out of shape?

McWhips -> RE: Money slaves?? (6/19/2005 11:52:08 AM)
I am sick of people like you coming on here and whining just cos we have an opinion. Get over it! This thread was started by a Genuine male sub who has concern of issues that have been talked about in an informative an interesting way, it doesnt need people like you to come on and whine about the fact that he is concerned.

kc692 -> RE: Money slaves?? (6/19/2005 12:24:25 PM)
Actually, I think the OP posed his questions differently than you, and this thread seemed quite cordial until you started posting on it. I forget, who did you say was whining???

lechat -> RE: Money slaves?? (6/19/2005 8:33:11 PM)
this is a free forum, of course business people are going to use it. why wouldn't they?

Lordandmaster -> RE: Money slaves?? (6/19/2005 10:03:15 PM)
That's the point. quote: ORIGINAL: lechat this is a free forum, of course business people are going to use it. why wouldn't they?

GoddessSasha -> RE: Money slaves?? (6/20/2005 3:46:14 AM)
Right you lot is gonna have to bear with me while I post all the quotes I have an issue with or want to reply to lol because I was away over the weekend and Im playing catch up . quote: why? there a good number of reasons. i won't do it for certain. but i have seen a few that say hell yeah. it is some kinda kink i am not familiar with. one i did like was where the Domme set him up on a budget and MADE him get caught up on his late bills and took him from red to the black in his accts. that, i thought was totally cool. She was something else....and he learned after that how to do it on his own. but yes i guess THAT one is an exception? thanks yes it is probably an exception, although if it wasnt you wouldnt get to hear much about it due to the blatant abuse and disrespect often shown for anyone who takes part in this sort of relationship. If its a kink you are not familiar with that doesnt prevent anyone from posting their opinions but the downside is it seems one of very few kinks that attract so much vitriolic judgement its untrue. Dont we have to put up with enough judgement from the vanilla world as it is? Personally as someone with experience of the kink I have actually had a sub cut off communication because I refused to demand more money than he could afford based on the fact that it would bankrupt him (which he said was his kink) and I have no interest in doing that it doesnt suggest an element of control for one thing. quote: However, I do believe the ladies being complained about are the ones who simply want you to visit the paypal account, and they never even bother to find out what the actual financial situaiton is. And that is the half-baked, one-sided format that gives financial domination a bad name. absolutely agree there GDG. My concern is what would be the point/fun/kink in any of that unless it were for purely selfish reasons? I know it happens more and more but personally I cant see the attraction. quote: Anyway by the standards of this site I am probably EXTREMELY lucky, but otherwise I would suggest no to use this site unless you are looking to give a stranger you dont know and will never meet lots of money or pay to see a Pro Domme. thats your opinion but given that you think you have found what you are looking for then whats the problem with letting everyone else get on with what they want to do? As far as Pro-Dommes go if someone wants to pay for a service then good luck to them its no skin off anyones nose (unless thats their kink lol) there are block and ignore buttons as well as delete. quote: Sending money to a stranger,by electronic or net transfer is an incredibly naive and stupid thing to do,undoubtedly,but amazingly,(i love these BIG words-i sound edjecated) it does happen. In the States do you have the "Nigerian Scams" problem,(we in NZ do),or other such investment scams and there are suckers who send money,(give it-let it be taken from them). It's true, a fool and his/her money are soon parted-the capitalist system relies on this! we have those scams in the UK too and believe it or not we have them come from all over not just Nigeria. As for sending money via electronic transfer or net transfer being stupid, Im afraid I cant agree as without online banking I would be shot, my bank is an online one lol not to mention ebay and amazon which exist purely to make my life easier, online shopping too, and transferring money to friends who need a bit of help occasionally, and then theres the added advantage of not having to carry cash around. It may be ill advised on occasion but certainly not stupid. quote: To be honest I think its the same as a playground of children, if there arent enough responsible genuine adults who actually give a shit for kids then this will leave a vacuum for pedophiles abusers and unscroupulous people. It makes me wonder about these personal sites. They are all usually quite ambiguos to me and as much as I come to these places looking for likeminded individuals but then cant help think I might as well have gone to a site offering 'services'. There plenty of money to be made out of peoples emotional loneliness and needs. Then again if I was the only sub male on this planet I suppose I could get away with charging Fem Dommes a cool 1 million to touch me on the elbow with a 100 yard long stick but I dont think I would do that. Im sure pro-dommes, financial dommes and anyone else whatever their motivation would resent being compared to paedophiles even in your apparant attempt to explain yourself. If you wanted to go to a service orientated site then you are free to do so just the same as everyone is free to take from or give to what they choose from this site. Im afraid if you were the only sub male on this planet there would be plenty of dommes not interested, as not everyone goes for self opinionated body facism, some prefer other more important attributes. quote: As for anyone coming here to deal with money for whatever reason be it a Pro Domme or Financial Mistress, I dont see these kind of people such as Vanilla prostitutes go into Vanilla dating sites places and establishments. As far as I can see the biggest problem is that so many people cant distinguish between pro-dommes/financial mistresses and prostitutes. Since when has BDSM been only about sex? Or does that only apply to Pro-Dommes? quote: Not that genuine Dommes looking for a submissive partner would mind Pro-Dommes and money Mistresses going to the same areas as them (seeing as there is little competition between such things) I wonder how Pro-Dommes etc would feel if non-Pro Dommes looking for real relationships where to advertize in the Pro Dommes sites in the same way Pro Dommes advertize in personals sites? ...................just a question! When you bandy about words like genuine and real you dont do much for your argument let alone your communication skills. quote: As for whether or not I have issue with ProDommes or MoneyDommes being on the same site as me? Nope. I tend to just live and let live. On one hand, I can understand your frustration. You dislike this very much. On the other hand, I think you need to just let it go. This is not going to change just because you don’t like it. You have the ability to recognise the signs of what you want in a Domme and what you don’t want. Consider yourself lucky for this. Your time would probably be better spent trying to focussing on what you want, what you need, what you desire rather then what you dislike. absolutely agree with you there LadyAngelika. Sometimes it seems that those complaining come across like a terrier who wont let go of a bone. quote: So, what happens is that you subs start sounding like crybabies and whiners. BOO HOO. We're sorry we can't hand deliver the femdom of your dreams to your doorstep. It's not our job. However, it might be a good idea to use your time to post interesting, engaging articles that give an idea of who you are as a person -- not just stuff that shows how bent out of shape you are that you can't get it for free. as my response above Akasha I totally agree, whinging is not an attractive quality in a sub or slave, it seems to indicate they are thinking if they dont like something they will whine about it, doesnt really show their committment very well. quote: I am sick of people like you coming on here and whining just cos we have an opinion. Get over it! This thread was started by a Genuine male sub who has concern of issues that have been talked about in an informative an interesting way, it doesnt need people like you to come on and whine about the fact that he is concerned. Oh dear, aggressive behaviour is definitely not a good sign in a supposed sub. There you go again with the genuine thing does this mean you consider yourself genuine? quote: Actually, I think the OP posed his questions differently than you, and this thread seemed quite cordial until you started posting on it. I forget, who did you say was whining??? absobloodylutely as we say in the UK[;)] As for business people using the forum yes I agree with both lechat and Lordandmaster and bloody good on them I say. Being self employed is hard enough without spending all day looking for the best deals on advertising and at least with free sites you reach more potential clients and you can be more selective with the stuff you pay for. I think this discussion is a very useful one and yes although it can go on ad infinitum (a bit like my post LOL) Its as valid as any other given that we are all different. It would be so nice as a group of people involved in a lifestyle/scene/set of kinks whatever we call it for us to celebrate our diversity instead of attacking just for the sake of it when there is a perfectly good facility for ignoring those you want to. Lets face it if we all had the same views that would be boring and dare I say could even have "vanilla" attributes lol have a great day all Blessed Be Sasha x

LadyAngelika -> RE: Money slaves?? (6/20/2005 4:29:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster That's the point. quote: ORIGINAL: lechat this is a free forum, of course business people are going to use it. why wouldn't they? I have yet to see the problem with this! I see people selling their stuff in the services section. How is selling a kink any different? - LA

GoddessSasha -> RE: Money slaves?? (6/20/2005 4:47:36 AM)
grr took me bloomin ages to copy all those quotes and do my replies how come they have disappeared? sheesh

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