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YesMistressIrish -> Testosterone overload vs: REAL worship. (6/16/2007 11:35:23 AM)
Testosterone overload vs: REAL worship. Worship: 1.reverent honor and homage paid to God or a sacred personage, or to any object regarded as sacred. 2.formal or ceremonious rendering of such honor and homage: I love many things about the real worship in attitude, action and speach (without being too anal about protocol). I have seen so many men who claim to be subs/slaves and really do not know who they really are, try to top, Doms in disguise, etc. Let's assume 3 things on this thread: 1) The domme is worthy of real worship. 2) That we are attempting to understand, and bring about positive change for the male slaves/subs/ who flip-flop back and forth. 3) That we are not here to bash males, or complain about subs, but to share ideas/styles/methods of how to positively effect change and blow through the Testosterone overload problem. I know we all have different needs. I am hoping that we can focus on what it is that works for the Dominas, and also hope to see what subs/slaves have to say about what has worked for them to get to a balanced place in their heart, minds and actions to be able to really serve a Domina. The needs of a sub or slave may not be what they think they need <duh>. Poofitus is the BANE in any Dominas life-circle. We spend time and energy, the sub shows up, it's all great, then poof, they have to go back into their cave to wrestle with testosterone overload. We know the reasons: Society, work obligations, vanilla world, survival of the fittest. Testosterone Overload. I am interested in the solutions. In paring things down, keeping it simple, Simple. (I know, dream on..) Personally: For my inner circle I prefer someone who KNOWS they are a slave in the positive sense of the word. Slave: Knows they live to serve, have a mind of their own, share ideas, court the domme, have needs, and know the final say is in the Domina's court. True Worship of the awesome kind. High self-esteem. Sub: Longs to serve in limited ways and wants to lay a bunch of ground rules. If their wants do not get met, poof is the likely behavior. The above are my definitions and I hope we don't get mired in nomenclature on this thread. So, what works for you, and what doesn't? Mostly please; what does work. I will edit later as I am still sleepy from the "Dark Side of The Moon' concert in LA last night. Irish ~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~ “The individual activity of one man with backbone will do more than a thousand men with a mere wishbone.” ~William J H Boetcker Boyfriends need to understand that if women are worshipped, the world will be a better place.” --Nicole Kidman

chiaThePet -> RE: Testosterone overload vs: REAL worship. (6/16/2007 10:05:36 PM)
Dearest YesMistressIrish, i think that the simple and prevelent sway which tries to define me in terms as what i am, or what i am supposed to be, probably just disappoints me at times. i know why i am a submissive, i live it everyday, always have, always will. There are many Women in my life whom i adore and worship, i am taken by Their strength and power, They garner complete awe from me. i would in a sense, surrender to Their wishes and desires in an instant. i have never been a boy whom wishes to say such things as, "i'll do 'anything' You ask of me, because i know i won't, some have requirements i know i could not adhere to. i am compelled within to please and be pleasing, it has always been necessity for me, i just needed that clarification from an authority figure. My journey for the most part has been limited to specific exposures, i have tried to keep such in perspective to my own feelings and emotions, though i have certainly fallen often along the way. Some whom think they completely know me, actually don't know me at all. CM has been a different experience than i have been used to. Here, i have sensed an allowance to be somewhat more open in my thoughts and responses than the situations i have been privy to in the past. i do push the envelope here, and to be honest, it allows me to vent some of that pent up emotion which up to now has been kept below the surface, that i should always please and be pleasing. i most certainly have a lighter side, and love to show such. Some may view this as disrespect, this saddens me frankly. If i'm simply sharing a sense of humor, take it as such, because if you simply slap me, i might not just lay down and die. i don't want anyone to think that because they are called a specific something, that they get to automatically treat me any way they wish. i am also sorting out the discovery of so many Dominants whom are actually switches, or have subbed themselves. i'm not sure of all my feelings related to such yet, but on the outset, this is affecting my pattern of thought toward them. i see a lot of overreaction here i must say. I'ts a train wreck, it's been hijacked, how could he, how dare she, oh the humanity, God it seems people here love to tramatize simple subjects and exchange. How can i share feelings about something if i have to tip toe around the dooms day brigade. Sometimes i just want to scream at the top of my lungs, "God what a bunch of pussies". i am serious here not simply being sarcastic. Get a backbone for crying out loud. It seems i can say things with meaning a thousand times, and some here will never hear it or never get it. That's fine, to each his own. But if you come on board and ask me a question, i don't even care if it's to try and make me look the idiot, and i respond with genuine thought, give me the courtesy of at least letting me know you read it and hated it or liked it. Cause next time, i'll just past you right on by. Then i'll be the bad guy again. Talk to me, and it doesn't always have to be critical, thank you. i'm far from perfect, i know this, instead of rubbing it in and sticking your nose in the air, tell me what would make me shine in your eyes, cause if you just keep slapping me, it serves only to feed my testosterone reactions. Respectfully, chia* (the pet)

Politesub53 -> RE: Testosterone overload vs: REAL worship. (6/17/2007 1:55:17 AM)
Hi Maam, i dont see it as totally down to testosterone, much of it is to do with upbringing and the way we see things growing up. reaching adulthood we come to a stage were certain things are expected of us. What we are doing here is turning some of those very ideals upside down and while many think they can deal with it, they cant. Sexual urges, porn, fantasy ect all have a part to play in how the lifestyle is perceived, and to be honest many of us are not 100% sure of which we seek. All one can do is strive to learn more about oneself and how to control rections. Chia made a good point about testosterone reactions in his reply to you, sometimes its not the intuitive part of the brain that reacts but the instinctive, the urges and desires men were given for survival of the species. i for one know how deeply i regret acting this way after the event, i try and control it but it doesnt always work. [;)]

YesMistressIrish -> RE: Testosterone overload vs: REAL worship. (6/17/2007 9:55:54 AM)
Chia, Thanks for answering. I know because we type here and we cannot hear inflection, it can be harder to get when someone is cracking a joke. It's great you feel more open here, as being open, learning about ourselves and others, self-discovery, they all rokk. When I was referring in the original: Assuming the domme was 'worthy of adoration.' I was referring to great communication skills, a caring Domina, not the slap your face anytime you speak kind. The going back into the cave reasons I understand: What I am asking for is the ways that work to help males stay on track and get to that place they long to be at, and be able to stay there longer. And, the things that may work for the dommes to help the boys stay on track. This will be different answers for diff dommes and subs. My idea here may not work on the threads, for some of the reasons you already spoke of. I want to skip the he dids, she dids blah blah, blame game. Looking for real answers, great ideas. Irish

YesMistressIrish -> RE: Testosterone overload vs: REAL worship. (6/17/2007 10:01:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Hi Maam, i dont see it as totally down to testosterone, much of it is to do with upbringing and the way we see things growing up. reaching adulthood we come to a stage were certain things are expected of us. What we are doing here is turning some of those very ideals upside down and while many think they can deal with it, they cant. Sexual urges, porn, fantasy ect all have a part to play in how the lifestyle is perceived, and to be honest many of us are not 100% sure of which we seek. All one can do is strive to learn more about oneself and how to control rections. Chia made a good point about testosterone reactions in his reply to you, sometimes its not the intuitive part of the brain that reacts but the instinctive, the urges and desires men were given for survival of the species. i for one know how deeply i regret acting this way after the event, i try and control it but it doesnt always work. [;)] Thanks Politesub! What you were saying: I understand. I did my best to concisely cover it up above: "We know the reasons: Society, work obligations, vanilla world, survival of the fittest. Testosterone Overload. I am interested in the solutions. In paring things down, keeping it simple," That's where I say survival up above. What works for you to stay on track with your subbie self? Solutions? Irish

Politesub53 -> RE: Testosterone overload vs: REAL worship. (6/17/2007 1:25:13 PM)
Hi again Maam, The soloutions are easy in my book, at least to define, although doing them will take work and change. Firstly we can all exchange healthy debate, which if done in the right matter, can contain strong viewpoints. Secondly if someone is critical of us, we and i mean all of us, can sit back and think about it before grabbing the keyboard. For myself, i can read more, listen more and learn more. But and like mine its a big but, before getting involved with someone on any deeper than a friendship level, we should all, and i include Dominas, try as best we can to make the correct choice of partner. If we are looking for something particular, then we should not be prepared to settle for anything less, which i am sure some of us do. Blows the kiss back across the ocean. [;)] politesub

chiaThePet -> RE: Testosterone overload vs: REAL worship. (6/17/2007 8:00:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: YesMistressIrish Chia, Thanks for answering. I know because we type here and we cannot hear inflection, it can be harder to get when someone is cracking a joke. It's great you feel more open here, as being open, learning about ourselves and others, self-discovery, they all rokk. When I was referring in the original: Assuming the domme was 'worthy of adoration.' I was referring to great communication skills, a caring Domina, not the slap your face anytime you speak kind. The going back into the cave reasons I understand: What I am asking for is the ways that work to help males stay on track and get to that place they long to be at, and be able to stay there longer. And, the things that may work for the dommes to help the boys stay on track. This will be different answers for diff dommes and subs. My idea here may not work on the threads, for some of the reasons you already spoke of. I want to skip the he dids, she dids blah blah, blame game. Looking for real answers, great ideas. Irish Dearest YesMistressIrish, Thank You Mamm for acknowledging my post. i admittedly wrote such in a bit of a hurry with little time. i did try to avoid the he does, she does, sway, but see i in fact shared feelings related to such. i would like to respond with more time to garner my thoughts and address the points You wish to discuss and explore. Today being Fathers Day, i have been spending it with my most wonderful son and will therefore return with my thoughts at a later time. Thank You again. Respectfully, chia* (the pet)

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