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Global Warming Is A Load of Hot Air - 6/18/2007 9:37:20 AM   
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High price for load of hot air

On the same day, NASA chief Michael Griffin commented in a US radio interview that "I am not sure that it is fair to say that (global warming) is a problem that we must wrestle with".

NASA is an agency that knows a thing or two about climate change. As Griffin added: "We study global climate change, that is in our authorisation, we think we do it rather well.

"I'm proud of that, but NASA is not an agency chartered to, quote, battle climate change."
Such a clear statement that science accomplishment should carry primacy over policy advice is both welcome and overdue.
Nonetheless, there is something worrying about one of Griffin's other statements, which said that "I have no doubt . . . that a trend of global warming exists".

Griffin seems to be referring to human-caused global warming, but irrespective of that his opinion is unsupported by the evidence.
The salient facts are these. First, the accepted global average temperature statistics used by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change show that no ground-based warming has occurred since 1998. Oddly, this eight-year-long temperature stasis has occurred despite an increase over the same period of 15 parts per million (or 4 per cent) in atmospheric CO2.

Second, lower atmosphere satellite-based temperature measurements, if corrected for non-greenhouse influences such as El Nino events and large volcanic eruptions, show little if any global warming since 1979, a period over which atmospheric CO2 has increased by 55 ppm (17 per cent).
Third, there are strong indications from solar studies that Earth's current temperature stasis will be followed by climatic cooling over the next few decades.

How then is it possible for Griffin to assert so boldly that human-caused global warming is happening?

Well, he is in good company for similar statements have been made recently by several Western heads of state at the G8 summit meeting. For instance, German Chancellor Angela Merkel asserts climate change (i.e. global warming) "is also essentially caused by humankind".
In fact, there is every doubt whether any global warming at all is occurring at the moment, let alone human-caused warming.

For leading politicians to be asserting to the contrary indicates something is very wrong with their chain of scientific advice, for they are clearly being deceived. That this should be the case is an international political scandal of high order which, in turn, raises the question of where their advice is coming from.

In Australia, the advice trail leads from government agencies such as the CSIRO and the Australian Greenhouse Office through to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change of the United Nations.

As leading economist David Henderson has pointed out, it is extremely dangerous for an unelected and unaccountable body like the IPCC to have a monopoly on climate policy advice to governments. And even more so because, at heart, the IPCC is a political and not a scientific agency.

Australia does not ask the World Bank to set its annual budget and neither should it allow the notoriously alarmist IPCC to set its climate policy.

It is past time for those who have deceived governments and misled the public regarding dangerous human-caused global warming to be called to account. Aided by hysterical posturing by green NGOs, their actions have led to the cornering of government on the issue and the likely implementation of futile emission policies that will impose direct extra costs on every household and enterprise in Australia to no identifiable benefit.

Not only do humans not dominate Earth's current temperature trend but the likelihood is that further large sums of public money are shortly going to be committed to, theoretically, combat warming when cooling is the more likely short-term climatic eventuality.

In one of the more expensive ironies of history, the expenditure of more than $US50 billion ($60 billion) on research into global warming since 1990 has failed to demonstrate any human-caused climate trend, let alone a dangerous one.
Yet that expenditure will pale into insignificance compared with the squandering of money that is going to accompany the introduction of a carbon trading or taxation system.

The costs of thus expiating comfortable middle class angst are, of course, going to be imposed preferentially upon the poor and underprivileged.
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RE: Global Warming Is A Load of Hot Air - 6/18/2007 9:42:43 AM   
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NASA can't even get it up regularly.

Since they're nothing but a bunch of political lapdogs. Is Griffin a CLIMATOLOGIST?

Nope.

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Prior to being nominated as NASA Administrator, Griffin was serving as Space Department Head at Johns Hopkins University's Applied Physics Laboratory in Laurel, Md. He was previously President and Chief Operating Officer of In-Q-Tel, Inc., and also served in several positions within Orbital Sciences Corporation, Dulles, Va., including Chief Executive Officer of Orbital's Magellan Systems division and General Manager of the Space Systems Group.

Earlier in his career, Griffin served as chief engineer and as associate administrator for Exploration at NASA, and as deputy for technology at the Strategic Defense Initiative Organization. He has been an adjunct professor at the University of Maryland, Johns Hopkins University, and George Washington University, where he taught courses in spacecraft design, applied mathematics, guidance and navigation, compressible flow, computational fluid dynamics, spacecraft attitude control, astrodynamics and introductory aerospace engineering. He is the lead author of more than two dozen technical papers, as well as the textbook, "Space Vehicle Design."

A registered professional engineer in Maryland and California, Griffin is a member of the National Academy of Engineering and the International Academy of Astronautics, an honorary fellow of the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA), a fellow of the American Astronautical Society, and a member of the Institute of Electrical and Electronic Engineers. He is a recipient of the NASA Exceptional Achievement Medal, the AIAA Space Systems Medal, and the Department of Defense Distinguished Public Service Medal, the highest award given to a non-government employee.

Griffin received a bachelor's degree in Physics from Johns Hopkins University; a master's degree in aerospace science from Catholic University of America; a Ph.D. in aerospace engineering from the University of Maryland; a master's degree in electrical engineering from the University of Southern California; a master's degree in applied physics from Johns Hopkins University; a master's degree in business administration from Loyola College; and a master's degree in Civil Engineering from George Washington University. He is a certified flight instructor with instrument and multiengine ratings.


He's not even an ATMOSPHERIC PHYSICIST!

Need Another Seven Astronauts needs some real Leadership.



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RE: Global Warming Is A Load of Hot Air - 6/18/2007 9:46:25 AM   
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But you missed the actual statistics....
There has been no rise in global temperatures since 1998 even though there has been a rise in CO2. This counters the premise that a rise in CO2 equals a rise in temperature.

Also NOAA said they had errors in their weather stations last year. 2006 was NOT he hottest year on record for the US.... 1998 was still the hottest year.

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RE: Global Warming Is A Load of Hot Air - 6/18/2007 9:47:25 AM   
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You're right. Where's the data?



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RE: Global Warming Is A Load of Hot Air - 6/19/2007 12:50:51 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: farglebargle

You're right. Where's the data?



farglebargle, 

You seem to misunderstand.

Despite the vast reams of information showing global warming trends, when somebody who is not a climatologist indicates that there is no such thing as global warming, all of the relevant information is thrown in the trash because
a Bush appointee obviously knows more than the average expert on global climate.

Sinergy

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RE: Global Warming Is A Load of Hot Air - 6/19/2007 1:14:27 AM   
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There's a lot of theories on global warming. No one here should be so silly as to claim to know it to be one way or the other. Questions as to whether or not it exists, and, further, to the extent it might be human-related and the manner in which it is are beyond us at this time.

What we can do is consider the possiblity of its existence, consider ways in which way may be contributing to it, and avoiding things things. If, in the end, it turns out to have been wasted effort, oh wells. If it turns out to be right on target, then we saved ourselves a great deal of misery.

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RE: Global Warming Is A Load of Hot Air - 6/19/2007 2:02:21 AM   
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if only tax money grew on tree's. we could "attack" all of our "possible" issues of the day. then we would only be out of our energy expelled to attack it. but considering that there is no evidence that the issue actually exist. and considering tax money doent grow on tree"s?????
well, i for one would like to see our tax money spent more wisely. i mean,,isnt there some pork money needed in your county for a bridge leading to no where ?:)

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RE: Global Warming Is A Load of Hot Air - 6/19/2007 2:48:56 AM   
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Many who post that Global Warming is man made appear not to accept the possibility, IMO certainty, that those "experts" in the "climate field" have a vested interest to continue claiming that which they believe to be true. ie Global Warming is man made. I believe it is NOT known for certain which comes first increased CO2 or increased Temperature.

Other "experts" who do the same thing are Natural Selectioners and especially Economists who in their calmer moments will implicitly admit that they cant predict anything worth more than a barrel of shit !

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RE: Global Warming Is A Load of Hot Air - 6/19/2007 4:57:00 AM   
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I *STILL* ain't seeing any DATA.

Commentary is all well and good, but it ain't Science.

And soundbites are a dumb fucking way to decide policy.





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