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Rumtiger -> RE: what did your ancestors do? (6/20/2007 2:52:48 AM)

Apparently a long...long...long ass time ago one of my ancestors was a pretty predominant conquistador who was knighted with hereditary title (Which I guess technically makes me a Spanish knight too somehow) My family also apparently also had a whole mountian range named after them too, but somewhere in history it was changed.

I want my fucking mountians back.




NoirUMC -> RE: what did your ancestors do? (6/20/2007 2:53:10 AM)

I've heard tales of involvement in the Norman invasion of England. I suppose this was preceded by raids on Irish monasteries? There was also something about burning down an English jail and stowing away on a boat to the U.S. after being locked up for tax evasion. And an amusing anecdote about cheating Native Americans in horse races. It's even whispered that one of my great great (great?) somethings ran guns for the South during the American Civil War.

But with such a wonderful track record, who's to say they aren't also liars?




Vendaval -> RE: what did your ancestors do? (6/23/2007 5:18:44 AM)

Farmers & ranchers, musicians & clergy, drunks & bootleggers, doctors & healers,
brawlers & hell raisers, creative types beset with mood disorders.




DommeChains -> RE: what did your ancestors do? (6/23/2007 5:53:06 AM)

My mothers side is much better documented.  In some convoluted fashion they are related to both Sir Isaac Newton and the Spencers (Princess Diana).  However, some of the brains but none of the money has trickled down to my generation lol.  The remainder of her family traces itself back to good sturdy Swedish farming stock.  The majority of them indentured themselves to immigrate to Texas and walked for many months from the coast to reach central Texas to settle land.  One great great uncle was a cowboy who rode the Chisholm trail for years (runs thru a nearby town), another was a doctor who was abducted at gunpoint while making his rounds to render aid to a (locally) infamous bank robber Sam Bass.  The subsequent generations were primarily farmer/ranchers.  My grandfather was in medical school when he volunteered for WWI, was gassed with mustard gas while driving a mule drawn ambulance.  I inherited some of his ancient medical texts when I went to nursing school. 

My fathers people all came from Ireland and the family legend says that the great, great, great grandad was "chased out of Ireland by multiple fathers with guns looking for the man who violated their daughters".  His people settled the far western edge of Virginia up in the "hollars" where they did a little farming, lots of coal mining and working on the railroad.  His folks were involved in a documented feud that was the subject of a novel published in the 1920's and made into a film starring a very young Henry Fonda and Fred McMurray.  The book and the film were both titled "Trail of the Lonesome Pine".  My dad was the only member of his siblings to escaped the mountains and not get arrested.  All the rest of his siblings spent their time in and out of jail, drug rehab and running from their creditors.

So, like lots of folks I have some vague connections to "greatness" and lots of scoundrels, wastrels and bums and just ordinary folks in my history.  Me? well I am posting on this board so I guess I have some of those rebellious, rule breaking genes to blame lol.




ready4srvce4all -> RE: what did your ancestors do? (6/23/2007 5:59:54 AM)

My dad's family was a bunch of thieves.  My mom's family never locked their doors.  That's how they met.




Level -> RE: what did your ancestors do? (6/23/2007 6:14:31 AM)

quote:

What did your ancestors do?


Why, the hokey pokey, of course..........




julietsierra -> RE: what did your ancestors do? (6/23/2007 6:32:52 AM)

Interestingly, for our family, my aunt did a geneology search a number of years before her death. What she found was that my ancestor was John Robinson, the pastor to the Puritans and the one who called for the vote to board the Mayflower and go to the "new world." He never did get to come to the colonies to see what his call had wrought, but his sons did.

Through the years, our family has had its share of Puritans, Calvinists, Methodists and Catholics. We've had members who have married within their religion, outside of their religion and one family member bought a Native American woman to be his bride. According to family records, they lived a long and fruitful (by their standards) life.

We've had abolitionists and people who fought on the Union side of the Civil War.

My grandfather (although we just call him my grandmother's first husband) was a tentative polygamist who brought home his new girlfriend to help my grandmother during the birth of her first child - my mother. My grandmother nearly killed the woman and then kicked her husband out the door, filed papers and became one of this area's first recognized divorces. She was also the first librarian at the Holt Public Library in Holt, Michigan. There's some talk that she was the one to begin the library but I'm never sure what's family conversation and what's truth in that regard.

The Puritan/Calvinist ideas of stoicism and decorum have followed this family throughout the years. At my grandfather's funeral (he was a volunteer fireman who lost his life in a grass fire) no one cried except my Uncle's wife. My grandmother leaned over, looked at my uncle and said "Joseph. Shut your wife up. We mourn in private."

My mother is a very pragmatic woman who rarely gets emotional - except when discussing how she feels about my father. And I am embarrassed to no end by my tears and will do nearly anything to avoid people seeing me that way.

On my father's side, it's said that he comes from a lineage that includes a Duke. However, what I've discovered in my searches is that the claim to noble lineage is kind of predominant in Polish families and since a few world wars have destroyed any paperwork that might have existed to prove or disprove such allegations, there's no way of knowing - but it's fun to contemplate anyway. My grandfather was part of the immigration movement of the 1900s and came in through Ellis Island. However, since he was very young, he never remembered any of that - even when Alzheimers stole everything but his past memories.

I know that my grandmother's family came from Serbia and that her uncle was chased throughout Europe by the Black Hands. He was eventually hunted down and killed but no one knows for sure where. Her father escaped with his wife and children to the United States to avoid that same thing happening to him. My grandmother was born here.

When my grandmother and grandfather met, their parents were not happy - on either side of the Polish/Serbian fence. They were 16 and 19 respectively when they eloped. They were married and desperately in love from the moment they met until the day my grandfather passed away - and he was the last of them to go. My grandfather tried coal mining when he was newly married but went down once and swore he'd never go down again. We still have some of the equipment of his short run at the mining industry. Instead he became a glass blower for a while.

When Detroit became an industrial giant, he packed my grandmother, all their belongings - including the bathtub - and moved to Detroit from a small town in Ohio. Detroit at that time was a city of neighborhoods and Hamtramck was the home of the Polish culture in this area. It was there my father was born. He was a part of the history of Detroit, being a musician, teacher and all around good guy.

Both of my parents were school teachers. Now, more than 20 years after they retired from their jobs, I continue to come across their former students everywhere I go, although truth be told, more of them remember my father than they do my mother even though they would have had them both as teachers. My parents have touched the world in ways they still doesn't know about. Even now, one of my co-workers was one of their students.

When my father and mother met, it was a Catholic meeting a daughter of the Masons and her mother was not very pleased at all. It took the person I always called my grandfather (my mother's step father) to say "Marge, they're not asking for your permission or blessing. They're just politely informing you that it's happening. Shut up."

Coincidentally, I used that same line on my father who'd heard it so many years ago when I told him that I was seeing the person who would eventually become my Master. This time, it was my mother who, in private, echoed what I said when she hit my father in the ribs and said "Ted, she's not asking you for permission or your blessing. She's just informing you."

Each and everyone of us has ancestors who have done great things. Those great things may be amazing, or they may be what most people think of as inconsequential, but all of them were participants in our personal and collective history.

And all of them have stories to tell.

If you have never thought about it before, I urge you to get recordings of those people who came before you telling you of their history. It's amazing stuff and most of all, it's YOUR history.

(and people say history is boring - I just don't get it.)

juliet




aSlavesLife -> RE: what did your ancestors do? (6/23/2007 6:55:18 AM)

My ancestors staggered out of Africa a couple million years ago. Some settled in Europe while others migrated to the Americas some 15,000 or so years ago. Eventually these distant cousins decided to meet up here in America, but we all know how those family reunions tend to turn out.

Other than that, I've never paid much attention to genealogy.

Owner of slave L




julietsierra -> RE: what did your ancestors do? (6/23/2007 7:31:14 AM)

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ORIGINAL: aSlavesLife

Other than that, I've never paid much attention to genealogy.

Owner of slave L


Really? I've always been fascinated by history and instead of reading the books, I usually have tried to go to the sources - the most obvious of which was my family.

I mean, I could read about being a POW during WWII - or I could ask my great-uncle what it was like. The books would relate the times, dates and general information. My uncle talked in immense detail about what it was like to eat potato soup - and eventually potato water - for four years. He brought to life what was written in the history books.

If I want to know about the Cuban Missile Crisis, I could read a book or even watch a play dramatizing it. However, where else could I hear in detail, the panic that settled on a college classroom when the people came to the door announcing that all the enlisted men and reservists had to report for duty immediately and what was at stake was the possibility of nuclear war?

I can read medical journals and newspaper reports talking about the polio epidemic in this country - or I could talk to my father about what it was like to have polio and not know if you'd ever live again, much less walk or even breathe on your own. I could hear from my grandfather what it was like to work three jobs to make enough money to help your son when you were scared shitless and how an intensely proud man who'd never asked for a thing in his entire life had gone, with his hat in his hand to the March of Dimes to ask for assistance, only to be told that the three jobs he was working to ensure that the hospitals would continue to treat his son caused him to be making too much money for them to help him? How could I know the terror of all of that by reading a book?

I could read about Viet Nam and what it might have been like to serve there - or I could talk to my brother in law and see, through his eyes and his stories, just how scared one young man could be and how he compensated for that and just what it cost him.

The things people discover through geneological studies of their families aren't just dates of births, deaths, marriages and divorces.  They are records - through letters, journal entries and family stories of living breathing people without whom we would not be here. Their lives, their beliefs and their cultures, for better or for worse, shaped who we are today.

I guess I'm just a firm believer that to deny or ignore those who came before us is to ignore some indelible, and important facet of ourselves - even when we like to think of ourselves as being our own men and women.

juliet




softness -> RE: what did your ancestors do? (6/23/2007 9:17:09 AM)

My Great grandfather didn't want any nasty Communists stealing the family jewels so he brought the family to England in 1916  changed everyone's name and sent my grandfather off to Cambridge and lounged about being sexy, exotic lecturers in Russian History  until they produced my father in 1946.

My mother's family have been painfully respectable and middle class in the home counties for long enough that records stop bothering to record them. Everybody went to Oxford or Durham before doing their time in the Army (the Hussars was most favoured) then getting proper jobs and wives and things. My great-grandmother was a school mistress and we have a photograph of her waving some of her pupils off to fight in Great War. She and i could be twins, it really is quite disconcerting - especially now that I have chosen the same profession. Eventually this deliciously staunch and conservative clan gave birth to my mother who is a true Anglo-Saxon blonde rose.

Filled with the flavour of rebellion known only to poor little rich girls who doesn't  like the man Daddy has picked for her my mother skipped off to university where she met my dark, brooding exotic sounding Father. When they got married the next summer my mother still hadn't persuaded her family that my fathers family weren't just a  bunch of pirates. In fact i think Nanna still locked up her jewellery around my fatehr until she died.




michaelOfGeorgia -> RE: what did your ancestors do? (6/23/2007 11:17:13 AM)

to be quite honest, and not meaning any disrespect, but i could care less what my ancestors did, that's the past and cannot be changed...therefore, it's a waste of my time to even think about it. i prefer looking to the future




ownedgirlie -> RE: what did your ancestors do? (6/23/2007 1:16:18 PM)

On Mom's side - Grandparents were in Spain.  Grandfather had his own carpentry business while his wife carried and birthed 14 kids, 9 of whom actually lived to adulthood.  Grandfather lost his business when called upon to serve in the Spanish Civil war.  After the war the family was extremely poor - crammed into a 2 BR flat and hungry for food.  My mother left home at 13 to join a Flamenco troop and my Dad met her when his Naval sub ported in Valencia.

On Dad's side, Great Grandmother came from Italy, beckoned by letter from my great grandfather (their way of an online relationship, lol).  She came across by ship and met up with him in San Francisco.  After the 1906 earthquake they left SF with the droves of others and stopped in a town down the peninsula to begin running a food & grain ranch, feeding and caring for the tired horses of all others who left SF, before beginning their journey again to a better place.

Grandmother eloped with my grandfather at the age of 17. Grandfather later became tax assessor of the county in which he was raised, and grandmother joined the Sierra Club and became a girl scout leader, teaching crafts and camping skills to many a young girl.

I love hearing the history. Listening to my grandmother tell stories of her youth was always exciting and fascinating for me.  Hearing my Spanish aunts & uncles talk about growing up under Franco's rule was also an amazing learning experience.

Great thread!!!




FullCircle -> RE: what did your ancestors do? (6/23/2007 1:18:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

Aside from propagating your current existence, what did your ancestors do?


Fuck knows, they all died before I could ask them.




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