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chrisy -> BDSm as Religion (6/20/2007 6:39:16 AM)
Dominant as guru (priest, teacher, etc). Does anyone feel this way? That the life is a means of coming to self realization by giving up self? But is that safe? It is wise to give the dominant that much power? Can anyone really be that responsible or enlightened as to know how to handle that position? Thoughts? Opinions? Am i alone in comparing the two?

ownedgirlie -> RE: BDSm as Religion (6/20/2007 7:11:33 AM)
It depends on the dominant. Can anyone really be responsible enough to parent? Similar, but different. It's one life responsible for another. As an adult, we make choices and consent to how much we'll give to another. Some give everything over; some do not. Give yourself over to a fool and you're in trouble. Give yourself over to one who manages your life better than you can, and like me, you're better off than you ever were. This transformation was a slow, careful and deliberate process for me. Bit by bit handed over, each level of depth more liberating than the last. It was scary and exhillerating and difficult and wonderful at the same time. And with each bit I handed over, I saw I could trust him even more, until he had it all, and my walls had come tumbling down. Life is better than ever. :) Edited to add: I do not view BDSM as a religion, however, nor do I view my slavery to him as that. There is no correlation for me.

Stephann -> RE: BDSm as Religion (6/20/2007 7:22:04 AM)
Why not? There are millions of people who look to less authentic channels for spiritual guidence; Davidians, Republicans, Soap Opera Viewers, etc... Stephan

truesub4u -> RE: BDSm as Religion (6/20/2007 7:31:29 AM)
Chrisy... just click the block red hand on the name at the bottom of their post and don't worry about it. And if this is for a school project...gl with it. As for your OP... so many others have tried to start their own religious "cults" ... "followers"... I am very leary of even a new church opening up in the area. And i'm not into giving up every aspect of my life to another. I love being me too much.

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: BDSm as Religion (6/20/2007 7:38:12 AM)
http://www.collarchat.com/m_759471/mpage_2/key_religion/tm.htm#761510 bdsm and christianity to me http://www.collarchat.com/m_651144/mpage_1/key_christian/tm.htm#651149 "Christian" bdsm? http://www.collarchat.com/m_101393/mpage_1/key_religion%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#101393 bdsm lifestyle vs christianity/religion http://www.collarchat.com/m_112713/mpage_1/key_religion%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#112713 bdsm spirituality??? http://www.collarchat.com/m_114995/mpage_1/key_religion%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#114995 Christianity and ds bdsm http://www.collarchat.com/m_154410/mpage_1/key_religion%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#154410 a sacred take on bdsm http://www.collarchat.com/m_168844/mpage_1/key_religion%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#168844 bdsm and religion http://www.collarchat.com/m_176205/mpage_1/key_religion%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#176205 sensuality & religion = what? http://www.collarchat.com/m_193896/mpage_1/key_religion%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#193896 religion and bdsm http://www.collarchat.com/m_275551/mpage_1/key_religion%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#275551 christians everywhere! http://www.collarchat.com/m_323932/mpage_1/key_religion%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#323932 no...not the spiritual trip http://www.collarchat.com/m_299050/mpage_1/key_faith%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#299050 power and spirit http://www.collarchat.com/m_133611/mpage_1/key_spirituality%252Cbdsm/tm.htm#133611 bdsm and spirituality?

CitizenCane -> RE: BDSm as Religion (6/20/2007 7:47:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: chrisy Dominant as guru (priest, teacher, etc). Does anyone feel this way? That the life is a means of coming to self realization by giving up self? But is that safe? It is wise to give the dominant that much power? Can anyone really be that responsible or enlightened as to know how to handle that position? Thoughts? Opinions? Am i alone in comparing the two? I think there are many obvious parallels between D/s on the one hand and either religion or parenting, as Ownedgirlie suggests, on the other. Whether these parallels seem attractive or not often has a lot to do with an individual's experience with religion and parents. I see many positive aspects of religion and parenting- and many seriously negative ones. I think that there are some submissives who are consciously or unconsciously pursuing D/s or BDSM as an attempt to gain those positives in their lives when in the past they have experienced the negatives of family and religion. D/s certainly has opportunities for personal discipline and growth. It has opportunities for reflection and insight. It has opportunities for breaking bad habits of thought, feeling and action and becoming part of something 'larger' than the narrow sense of self- these are all positive aspects of religion, IMO, as well as being things that good parenting attempts to instill. Because there is no official doctrine or over-all hierarchy to D/s, people are 'free' to explore these issues in personally suitable ways. On the other hand, many bring with them ideas, attitudes and habits from their negative experiences that they replay in this new context- confrontation and resistance, deception and self-deception, sabotage, an attachment to doctrine, rigidity, fear- that tend to undermine the process they wish to embrace. (I am referring here to both doms and subs, btw).

Mercnbeth -> RE: BDSm as Religion (6/20/2007 7:56:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: chrisy Dominant as guru (priest, teacher, etc). Does anyone feel this way? That the life is a means of coming to self realization by giving up self? But is that safe? It is wise to give the dominant that much power? Can anyone really be that responsible or enlightened as to know how to handle that position? Thoughts? Opinions? Am i alone in comparing the two? this slave's service to Master is of a spiritual nature, the path she walks in this life is connected to her soul and she follows "Merc & beth" dogma religiously, so if you define religion as: "A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion " then yes, it is religion for this slave, and Master is the Hierophant.

crouchingtigress -> RE: BDSm as Religion (6/20/2007 11:22:48 AM)
quote: Can anyone really be that responsible or enlightened as to know how to handle that position? no, but they dont have to be...they only need to be trying thier best, and you need to be willing to surf the waves of mistakes when they roll in. there is an economy of trust that your dominant inadvertantly withdraws from when he make mistakes, but its ok if he has invested in you, your needs, what is important to you, and the reltionship, there is a large surplus that both of you can with draw from when mistakes inevitably happen.

MasterFireMaam -> RE: BDSm as Religion (6/20/2007 11:43:51 AM)
Yes. I am willing to function as a Priestess for my household. I wear a collar on a daily basis that reminds me I am commited to surrendering to my higher power and serve that power as best I can. In doing this, I know that whatever happens in my household happens for better reasons than I can sometimes see. I do not expect to be Goddess of the household, however. Each slave is free to worship their higher power. I am to act as a Guide, Teacher and Priestess. This is what it means to me to be a Master. It is a spiritual calling. Master Fire

RCdc -> RE: BDSm as Religion (6/20/2007 11:47:36 AM)
Any section of a 'community' can be designed into a religon if a person wants to turn it that way. BDSM is no different... any part of politics can be as well... even an animal can be worshiped. Peace the.dark.

cjenny -> RE: BDSm as Religion (6/20/2007 11:48:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: chrisy Dominant as guru (priest, teacher, etc). Does anyone feel this way? That the life is a means of coming to self realization by giving up self? But is that safe? It is wise to give the dominant that much power? Can anyone really be that responsible or enlightened as to know how to handle that position? Thoughts? Opinions? Am i alone in comparing the two? Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Of course it depends upon the people involved, as does everything in WIITWD.

juliaoceania -> RE: BDSm as Religion (6/20/2007 12:06:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: chrisy Dominant as guru (priest, teacher, etc). Does anyone feel this way? That the life is a means of coming to self realization by giving up self? But is that safe? It is wise to give the dominant that much power? Can anyone really be that responsible or enlightened as to know how to handle that position? Thoughts? Opinions? Am i alone in comparing the two? I feel like my Daddy is my guru. So far he has not abused that place in my heart.

DragonNphoenix -> RE: BDSm as Religion (6/20/2007 12:25:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: chrisy Dominant as guru (priest, teacher, etc). Does anyone feel this way? That the life is a means of coming to self realization by giving up self? But is that safe? It is wise to give the dominant that much power? Can anyone really be that responsible or enlightened as to know how to handle that position? Thoughts? Opinions? Am i alone in comparing the two? Okay... I can see how one could turn BDSM into a spiritual path (notice I dont say religion). But for me, my spiritual path is like a street and BDSM is the sidewalk. They move together and are connected, yet on different levels. My Master is also my Priest. But I am His Priestess. On the spiritual 'road' we are equal. Does that make any sense?? 1st girl Phoenix

Alighierisquest -> RE: BDSm as Religion (6/20/2007 1:18:10 PM)
I agree that spiritual components can easily be incorporated but they should not permeate every D/s relationship. The most organization one should expect is "teachers teaching teachers" so Dominants can learn how to foster that kind of connection.

ELUSIVE1 -> RE: BDSm as Religion (6/20/2007 1:39:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DragonNphoenix quote: ORIGINAL: chrisy Dominant as guru (priest, teacher, etc). Does anyone feel this way? That the life is a means of coming to self realization by giving up self? But is that safe? It is wise to give the dominant that much power? Can anyone really be that responsible or enlightened as to know how to handle that position? Thoughts? Opinions? Am i alone in comparing the two? Okay... I can see how one could turn BDSM into a spiritual path (notice I dont say religion). But for me, my spiritual path is like a street and BDSM is the sidewalk. They move together and are connected, yet on different levels. My Master is also my Priest. But I am His Priestess. On the spiritual 'road' we are equal. Does that make any sense?? 1st girl Phoenix That is brilliant...really thank you for sharing that....the other morning while in the shower,Madonna,likeaprayer came on the radio...and really listening to the lyrics..you have to wonder if she was into WIITWD back then...oreven now Like a child you whisper softly to me You're in control just like a child Now I'm dancing It's like a dream, no end and no beginning You're here with me, it's like a dream Let the choir sing (chorus) Just like a prayer, your voice can take me there Just like a muse to me, you are a mystery Just like a dream, you are not what you seem Just like a prayer, no choice your voice can take me there

Lordandmaster -> RE: BDSm as Religion (6/20/2007 1:58:03 PM)
BDSM as a religion? Jesus Christ, what an uplifting idea!

ManInTheBox -> RE: BDSm as Religion (6/20/2007 2:00:16 PM)
Why not? All religions started out as an idea from somewhere. People worship all kinds of things. I've even heard of Serlingism where people worship the ideas of Rod Serling (which I have thought about taking up) lol

DragonNphoenix -> RE: BDSm as Religion (6/20/2007 2:14:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ELUSIVE1 That is brilliant...really thank you for sharing that....the other morning while in the shower,Madonna,likeaprayer came on the radio...and really listening to the lyrics..you have to wonder if she was into WIITWD back then...oreven now Thank you for saying so. p

DragonNphoenix -> RE: BDSm as Religion (6/20/2007 2:16:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ManInTheBox Why not? All religions started out as an idea from somewhere. People worship all kinds of things. I've even heard of Serlingism where people worship the ideas of Rod Serling (which I have thought about taking up) lol Yeah, Jedi is a recognised religion in the UK. (I have a friend that is into it) 1st girl Phoenix

dragone -> RE: BDSm as Religion (6/20/2007 2:28:40 PM)
BDSM as a religion, ....try the Catolic Church; it is full to overflowing in BDSM; with the Pope as the Vicar of Christ, being made perfect, knowing all things; and as a layman; you are required to give, heart, body, mind and soul to your 'church', to your God, to your Pope. People generally believed Nazi, was a political movement, it went beyond that, overthrown, not so,..... it was a religion, a philosophy; and the precepts exist today. Jim Jones, had a church, in Gaihana, or somewhere; and he ruled, requiring heart, mind, body and soul, even the life of his followers. So, why not BDSM. Just think......of the money that can be made; opps, they are already doing that in the sessions.....ah well, never mind.

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