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slaveluci -> RE: Surrendered Wives on "60 minutes" Austrailia (6/27/2007 7:13:25 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ErusUxor
This is a very nicely expressed discription of a D/s relationship. I whole heartedly agree with the concepts expressed by slaveluci...and see myself and my Masters relationship  in a very similar light.

Thank you, ErusUxor.  Hope you are just as happy[:)]..........slave luci



QuietlySeeking -> RE: Surrendered Wives on "60 minutes" Austrailia (6/27/2007 8:49:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Lashra
I think all these women celebrating the fact that they have no control/no rights and wish it for all women, were born after womens liberation. They have no idea what is it really like to have no control or rights in this world. If they did they may not be so keen to have their and all other womens rights taken away. These marriages do not last any longer or are any more happier than an equal partnership, if they did then why did womens liberation even happen? Here's a clue it wasn't because all the men were pushing us to be independent and capable of making our own decisions...Could it be that the women were actually unhappy and wanted something more for themselves? Perhaps they wanted choices..?

~Lashra


And if women's liberation were the "End All Be All" that some espouse it to be, why do so many women choose to be submitted and surrendered?

As I've said before, I accept your right to choose who you wish to be...but in return, I expect the same from you for a submitted/surrendered girl.



Mastermozilla -> RE: Surrendered Wives on "60 minutes" Austrailia (6/27/2007 7:02:18 PM)

Ok how would you feel if either the females wanted it like this like in a consenual Male Supremacist household or if instead it was the mother who acted like this father?



slaveluci -> RE: Surrendered Wives on "60 minutes" Austrailia (6/27/2007 7:32:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mastermozilla
Ok how would you feel if either the females wanted it like this like in a consenual Male Supremacist household or if instead it was the mother who acted like this father?

Well, I would feel like alot of the posters here have:  That it would never work for me but that if it works for others, they should do it.  This would feel as unnatural to me as the "surrendered wife" model does to many who have posted but I would certainly never say it wouldn't work and work well for others.  More power to them![:)]............luci



Mastermozilla -> RE: Surrendered Wives on "60 minutes" Austrailia (6/28/2007 3:20:29 AM)

Yeah I agree with you luci and I just have a problem with either the whole religion or the whole neo con idea that people think male supremacy is.  Not all male supremacists are republican or religious.  There are male supremacists who hate war and would vote for someone like john edwards.  And it should be about what the person wants.  And there are families especially if you are a pansexual who do teach their children this lifestyle whether bdsm or male superiority.  Im not saying teaching a child bdsm is right or wrong im just saying what happens.  We need to be more open minded about male superiority or for the other side female superiority.



QuietlySeeking -> RE: Surrendered Wives on "60 minutes" Austrailia (6/28/2007 1:07:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mastermozilla

Yeah I agree with you luci and I just have a problem with either the whole religion or the whole neo con idea that people think male supremacy is.  Not all male supremacists are republican or religious.  There are male supremacists who hate war and would vote for someone like john edwards.  And it should be about what the person wants.  And there are families especially if you are a pansexual who do teach their children this lifestyle whether bdsm or male superiority.  Im not saying teaching a child bdsm is right or wrong im just saying what happens.  We need to be more open minded about male superiority or for the other side female superiority.

And there are even a few of us who are Republican, neo-cons and/or religious, who aren't male supremecists. LOL



SeeksOnlyOne -> RE: Surrendered Wives on "60 minutes" Austrailia (6/28/2007 6:29:20 PM)

i only read the article, because i cant get my speakers to work(damn technology in the hands of idiots like me), but i saw nothing that upset me in the article.....maybe im missing something not seeing the video.......sounds like it works for them though, and thats all that matters.



Mastermozilla -> RE: Surrendered Wives on "60 minutes" Austrailia (6/29/2007 2:34:43 AM)

Yeah I know quietly I might not agree with your political views but yeah I dont think most are I think its just how you were raised or all of a sudden you think those views.  As long as women or children are not hurt irrevocably then I feel the lifestyle shown in the video though I have not seen the video I would still say that the lifestyle is right for them then they should practice it.  And im just not saying this because I am a Male Supremacist.  You might not agree with what I am but you need to understand that what happens in a family should be left alone.  Unless the children are being abused like truly beaten or starving not being they are poor but not giving children food.  This is what the family believes in and do we have the right to question what the mother wants to teach her daughter.  No doing that would be hurting our feeling towards allowing people their views points.



thetammyjo -> RE: Surrendered Wives on "60 minutes" Austrailia (6/29/2007 7:40:58 AM)

Wow.

I'd hate to break it to you but physical abuse is far less damaging than emotional and psychological abuse. You can recover from a broken limb, you can get better nutricition, but the claims that are drilled into one's head especially when one is young is very difficult to break free of for most people.

Tell someone "you are worth less," "you are less intelligent," or "there is only one way or you go to hell," and over time they will believe you unless they are lucky enough to have other influences in their life.

Are you sure you really wanted to say this, Mastermozilla? "As long as women or children are not hurt irrevocably then I feel the lifestyle shown in the video though I have not seen the video I would still say that the lifestyle is right for them then they should practice it."

I may be a sadist but I don't think it is right to hurt anyone to any degree unless you have their permission or it is absolutely unavoidable.



Mastermozilla -> RE: Surrendered Wives on "60 minutes" Austrailia (6/29/2007 8:11:31 AM)

Yeah there are some who will agree with you that thats what happened in this video but there are so many other people who will strongly disagree.  I am one of them.



Mastermozilla -> RE: Surrendered Wives on "60 minutes" Austrailia (6/29/2007 8:12:44 AM)

So tammy do you also feel on the other side the females who treat males like this are also doing serious harm.



Mastermozilla -> RE: Surrendered Wives on "60 minutes" Austrailia (6/29/2007 8:15:14 AM)

Ok lets say there is no daughter and the female was told this but enjoyed being talked to like that would you feel that is wrong to speak to her like that?



cjenny -> RE: Surrendered Wives on "60 minutes" Austrailia (6/29/2007 8:18:23 AM)

MM I don't understand that question [8|]



Wildfleurs -> RE: Surrendered Wives on "60 minutes" Austrailia (6/29/2007 8:24:16 AM)

FR...

I saw part of the video (despite a cable internet connection, the video just sputtered and would stall out every so often) and I didn't see the huge deal.  Yeah ths kids thing is a little bit squicky and annoying, but I've seen worse child rearing in a supermarket parking lot.  And quite frankly I'd hate to see what trailer trash runt of the litters a TV show would pick out to represent the kink community, so I'm not sure I'd use a TV show as a barometer for this newfangled fad Surrendered Wives thing.

C~



Mastermozilla -> RE: Surrendered Wives on "60 minutes" Austrailia (6/29/2007 8:30:14 AM)

Ok ill rephrase it.  Tammy was saying that she does not agree lets say with some telling you you are worthless and they start to believe its true.  So im asking would you be ok with the owner telling their slave that they are worthless if the daughter is not there?



thetammyjo -> RE: Surrendered Wives on "60 minutes" Austrailia (6/29/2007 8:39:27 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Mastermozilla

Ok ill rephrase it. Tammy was saying that she does not agree lets say with some telling you you are worthless and they start to believe its true. So im asking would you be ok with the owner telling their slave that they are worthless if the daughter is not there?


As I have said repeatedly and which people love to ignore in this thread:

Adults can do as they wish.

I have a seriously problem when offspring and young people are treated that same way.

I am against anything that teaches a youngster that they are any less than anyone else -- regardless of race, sex, gender, ethnicity, religion, or any other category you wish to think about.

I was replying to your comments, Mastermozilla, not to the clip this time.

FYI: It's TammyJo not Tammy. That's a big pet peeve of mine.



Mastermozilla -> RE: Surrendered Wives on "60 minutes" Austrailia (6/29/2007 8:41:50 AM)

Ok I will apoligize Tammyjo but you and I and alot of the forum that sides somewhat we will will have to disagree.



LearningGuy -> RE: Surrendered Wives on "60 minutes" Austrailia (6/29/2007 8:58:04 AM)

Hey, this is, obviously, my first post but Ive decided to dive into this one and remind everyone of a few points.
However, no i have not read every post here so I have no idea if anyone has said this or not.

Ok the points to remember.
1 - The news sensationalizes everything to increase ratings
2 - The news will always report on an issue in a way to generate the most reaction in any form or direction
3 - The news has not intention on reporting the truth if a lie will get them more ratings
4 - Its never the news fault, its always an "Trusted but anonomus sourse"
5 - The news dose not respect people
6 - The news respects ratings
7 - The news only reports what they think THEY want to hear, not what the public wants to hear.
8 - Heros are rare but Scumbags get ratings
9 - A drug dealing car chase will always trump some one saving a life when no crime is commited.
10 - If a life is saved while a crime is commited, the news will spend 15 seconds on the life saved and 15 days on the crime
11 - The news is all about ratings
12 - Jurnalistic truth is as accurate as millitary intelligence.

I saw part, not all, but part, of the video.  It felt heavily slanted but there seemed nothing fundimentaly wrong about it.  All of you doms and subs take a step back and compare the notes posted way earlier in this thread to the way things are done in your relationships.

Remember.

Have fun
Stay safe
Happy whipping [if your into it]



thetammyjo -> RE: Surrendered Wives on "60 minutes" Austrailia (6/29/2007 9:20:42 AM)

If I compare how my relationships work, LearningGuy, both the vanilla marriage and the 24/7 ownership of a slave, I see nothing in that clip that resembles my life. I fully agree that the clip is editing for some agenda of the television company that created and ran it -- that would most likely be to make money.



thetammyjo -> RE: Surrendered Wives on "60 minutes" Austrailia (6/29/2007 9:22:57 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Mastermozilla

Ok I will apoligize Tammyjo but you and I and alot of the forum that sides somewhat we will will have to disagree.


Apology is unnecessary.

I was hoping to get you to think about your statement about hurting someone as being ok as long as it wasn't "irrevocable" or that wasn't abuse that you post #168 implied is only physcial.

But you ignored my entire response and read a lot of other things into it.



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