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trustee -> slave contract advice wanted please. (6/22/2007 6:59:11 AM)
Most of us know that a slave contract is not a legally binding document and that it is binding in honor only. Given the serious nature of many Dominant and submissive relationships contracts are often drawn up for moral, psychological, emotional, physiological reasons in order to set the parameters and give a sense of purpose and belonging. What do Dominant ladies think of this specimen contract please? It was send to me two weeks ago and appears draconian in its content. Advice would be welcome to help me decide if I should go ahead and accept or reject the document. CONTRACT OF OWNERSHIP AND VOLUNTARY SUBJEGATION This contract is made between……………………………………..hereinafter referred to as slave &……………………………………………. .hereinafter referred to as Mistress. This contract is for life and runs in continuity from the date of signing; it can only be terminated by the Mistress. Terms & conditions 1) The slave agrees to become and remain the property of the Mistress indefinitely. 2) The term property shall have the following definitions:- a) The slave shall cease to exist as a human entity and shall become a mere animate creature and a possession of the Mistress. b) The slave’s body shall become the property of the Mistress. The slave shall have no rights over his own body other than those granted by the Mistress. The Mistress may use the slave body in any way she chooses whether for her own personal pleasure or the pleasure of others should She so decide. c) The slaves mind shall become the property of the Mistress in as much that she may demand to know the thoughts of the slave at time she chooses. d) All of the slave’s property and or assets shall be under the control of the Mistress. e) All aspects of the slave’s life shall be the property of the Mistress. The Mistress will have full control over the personal life of the slave be that financial sexual or other. f) The slave agrees to the removal of all body hair and to be pierced tattooed and /or branded if required by the Mistress. g) The slave shall be devoid of freedom, human rights and civil liberties in perpetuity. 3) The Mistress reserves the right to alter/modify or completely change any term, condition, rule or regulation set out in agreement without prior notice or consultation with the slave. 4) The slave agrees to abide by the rules and regulations set out in this agreement at all times. Rules & regulations 5) When not with the Mistress the slave must report to the Mistress everyday by whatever method of communication is available. 6) The slave shall on no account talk over the top of the Mistress. 7) Should the slave feel the need to stress a point he shall ask permission to do so, and if granted shall do it with the utmost respect, although the Mistress has the right to ignore whatever point the slave is making. 8) The slave shall obey without question every command/demand the Mistress gives/makes. 9) The slave shall to the best of his ability anticipate the needs of the Mistress prior to her announcing them and shall act accordingly. 10) The Mistress may use or abuse the slave in any way she chooses; he shall serve Her, and any others She may decide upon. 11) The slave shall on no account be dishonest to the Mistress, either directly or indirectly. 12) The Mistress may humiliate the slave both in private or public if she chooses to do so. 13) The slave shall always put the needs of the Mistress before his own. 14) When in private the slave shall remain collared. 15) When in private the slave shall address the Mistress as Mistress and shall answer to the name of slave. 16) In public when addressing the Mistress the slave shall be permitted to drop the term Mistress unless ordered to do otherwise and shall refer to the Mistress as ……., the slave will be referred to as ………. or whatever else the Mistress decides upon. 17) Unless the slave is within bondage or visitors are present the slave shall be expected to kneel and kiss the feet of the Mistress every time she enters the dwelling. 18) In private when not in bondage the slave shall remain at all times in some form of fetish wear be that rubber leather or other. 19) The slave agrees to wear a chastity device and to remain in chastity for the duration of this contract. 20) The slave accepts that it will be denied orgasm for the duration of this contract unless in order to benefit and please the Mistress, as an aroused and denied slave is far more attentive to the needs of the Mistress. Unless the Mistress decides differently on occasions. 21) The slave shall carry out all household duties, including but not limited to, cleaning cooking laundry gardening, to the satisfaction of the Mistress, and wearing whatever the Mistress decides is appropriate at any given time. 22) The slave agrees to be used as a toilet if it pleases the Mistress. 23) The slave accepts that in private one of the fluids it will be commanded to drink is urine, either provided from the Mistress or its own, or from anyone else the Mistress decides upon. 24) The slave’s diet shall be controlled by the Mistress and the slave shall eat from whatever surface the Mistress decides, be that plate, bowl or floor. 25) The Mistress may keep the slave in bondage and or sensory deprivation for any period of time She chooses, this could be hour’s days or weeks, the slave will dutifully accept such restraint. 26) The Mistress may punish the slave in any way She chooses, She does not need a reason to do this, the slave shall accept any and all punishments and shall thank the Mistress for administering them. 27) The Mistress my dress the slave in any way that pleases Her, be that male or female attire. 28) The slave shall have no right of access to money, only that which is allowed by the Mistress. 29) The Mistress has the right to have lovers should She choose to do so, the slaves role is to serve Her and any others She may decide upon. 30) The Mistress may sell, hire or prostitute the slave if She wishes, the slave accepts that it can be used as a whore or slut to generate funds for the Mistress. 31) The slave may be kept naked from time to time if the Mistress wishes that. 32) This contract is binding and can only be terminated by the Mistress herself. Declaration I the Mistress agree to undertake responsibility and accept ownership of the undersigned slave. I enter into this agreement of my own free will and accept and agree that it shall be irrevocable on my own part. Signed……………………………………………………….Mistress Date................ Signed.................................................................................slave Date................ We the undersigned witnesses testify that both parties have entered into this contract without any form of coersion being used and that it is the wish of both the Mistress and slave. Contract witnesses: ...........................................................................................First Witness Date................. ...........................................................................................Second Witness Date..............

LadyEllen -> RE: slave contract advice wanted please. (6/22/2007 7:03:58 AM)
as I said, I would rewrite it. E

thetammyjo -> RE: slave contract advice wanted please. (6/22/2007 7:18:49 AM)
Question: Why would someone send a contract via email? I have a training contract and an ownership contract. There is some flexibility in each that is adapted to the individual limitations of a person. Regardless I consider both contract so important that I would never ever send them via email. These are things to look at together, take home with you and think about then get back together to sign together. I know, I know, I'm a formality freak and I have some interests in rules and rituals but isn't that part of the point of having a contract?

MaamJay -> RE: slave contract advice wanted please. (6/22/2007 7:18:53 AM)
It's bullshit. Maam Jay

MaamJay -> RE: slave contract advice wanted please. (6/22/2007 7:22:42 AM)
OOPS SORRY! Victim of the fast reply - My reply was definitely NOT to Lady Ellen (who was remarkably understated I thought!). It was in reply to the contract posted by the OP. Apologies! It's late and time for bed! Maam Jay

MsKatHouston -> RE: slave contract advice wanted please. (6/22/2007 7:35:31 AM)
quote: This contract is for life and runs in continuity from the date of signing; it can only be terminated by the Mistress quote: The Mistress reserves the right to alter/modify or completely change any term, condition, rule or regulation set out in agreement without prior notice or consultation with the slave Why even have a contract then? The 2nd phrase rather makes the point of it pretty useless IMO. What is your goal for the contract? I think there are some rather fantastical expectations in there that would be difficult at best to play out in real life. But in the end, it's your deal, so if you and he like it...well ok. quote: These are things to look at together, take home with you and think about then get back together to sign together. I agree. I have a bit of a starting point but each one is adapted to the individual slave based on our particular relationship and his or my limitations.

Fuzzyboy17 -> RE: slave contract advice wanted please. (6/22/2007 10:51:54 AM)
At the very least, I would put in some sunset clauses, i.e, some of the clauses would have a limited shelf life subject to being re- agreed to by both parties. Some of the clauses are clearly unhealthy, most notably the drinking of the Mistress bodiliy fluids. being used as a slut for anyone she chooses is less than healthy as a choice. In summary, send the contract back with red lines all over it. Heck, even the army does not demand aas much!

MsKatHouston -> RE: slave contract advice wanted please. (6/22/2007 11:08:51 AM)
Everyone has different expectations and desires of control. However, as you pointed out yourself, these are not exactly binding contracts. How realistic is this anyway? Some of the line items I have no problem with as acts in and of themselves. Being used as a slut...fine. But, will she choose partners carefully? Will she ensure condom use? How will your health be protected? Bodily fluids...is she ensuring her own health to protect yours? This is a pretty common kink and practice. But I would be sure you know what you are getting into and the risks. Financial control, ok fine. What if you are dumped? Do you have any safeguards there? The whole contract smacks of fantasy to me. Like it was taken off the Internet somewhere. I don't really have a problem with the amount of control she is asking for in and of itself. But you are obviously questioning it so I would go to the source and work out what your actual relationship is. Have you served this person? Have you had actual contact and spent some time learning each other and being in face to face real service to see if you are compatible?

littlesarbonn -> RE: slave contract advice wanted please. (6/22/2007 11:25:27 AM)
Any time someone can alter a contract without any prior notice (or any other way), it's not really a contract. I certainly would never sign such a specimen. And I've always believed that if I think something, EVERYONE must think the same way. At least that's what the voices in my head keep telling me. NO, I WILL NOT KILL THE DOG! Stupid voices.

somethndif -> RE: slave contract advice wanted please. (6/22/2007 11:32:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MaamJay It's bullshit. Agreed. The "contract" is fantasy, not reality based. Dan

FelinePersuasion -> RE: slave contract advice wanted please. (6/22/2007 12:03:47 PM)
It strikes me as pure and utter bullshit, I'd reject it if It was me.

MsKatHouston -> RE: slave contract advice wanted please. (6/22/2007 1:07:25 PM)
quote: NO, I WILL NOT KILL THE DOG! Stupid voices. Listen to the voices. Kill the cat instead :P

LadyPact -> RE: slave contract advice wanted please. (6/22/2007 2:04:34 PM)
I didn't even read the whole thing. I spent less than two minutes on it and found the whole thing to be completely ridiculous. Who enters into their first contract as being the final draft?

FelinePersuasion -> RE: slave contract advice wanted please. (6/22/2007 2:36:01 PM)
Some of it should be such basic common sense, like never talking over the mistress, unless of course your mistress don't mind, and then what ever works. But I've never turn over my finaces nor my assets to any one, or agree my sexual health didn't matter or any number of the fantasy idea's written.

littlesarbonn -> RE: slave contract advice wanted please. (6/22/2007 2:51:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact I didn't even read the whole thing. I spent less than two minutes on it and found the whole thing to be completely ridiculous. Who enters into their first contract as being the final draft? True story. About a decade ago (yeah, I'm starting to get older), I was at the end of a relationship with someone I had been collared to as a live-in for a number of years. We both went our separate ways, and I slipped back into my community friends with the intention of just taking some time to recover, and at that time, NEVER get into one of these relationships again. Well, literally the next day, one of my submissive friends contacts me telling me her mistress is EXTREMELY interested in opening up communication with me. As weird as this dynamic sounds, my submissive friend needed to permission from me so that her mistress could contact me. Yeah, I don't really understand a lot of the protocol either. Anyway, I fell for the typical male dilemma. I knew she was HOT, and I said, okay. I had a real thing for Asian dominants at that time (I blame it on the fact that I was fluent in several Asian languages, but years later after reexamining this phenomena through a brilliant book called The Asian Mystique by Sheridan Prasso, I realized it was much more of a cultural fetish that I no longer have after realizing what was going on, but anyhoo...), and she was one very hot one. We met for coffee. I remember it well. I had hot chocolate. She had a contract in her hand. Maybe coffee. Don't remember that. Yes, she had a drawn up contract ALREADY, and we had probably spoken a total of twenty words between us in the past, almost all of them in the presence of my former mistress who actually conducted most of the conversations anyway. So, she went through explaining HOW this new relationship was going to work, with me as her dedicated slave/housecleaner. I would devote the majority of my time to taking care of things in her life. By the way, she didn't really approve of the whole "college" thing I was doing at the time, so at the end of the semester, she'd have to decide how useful that might be in her life, and she didn't think it really was. She asked if I found her attractive. I said I found her gorgeous. She then started talking about how so many men seemed to be chasing after her, which brought her to another part of the future "relationship." Because there were so many other men, including doctors, she didn't see any actual play occurring between us. She had enough men and women to handle that aspect of her life. No, she mainly wanted me to be the slave that cleans things. She kept reminding me that I'm a natural submissive and a slave, and because she had observed my relationship with my previous owner, she saw this would work out just fine. Anyone got an idea where this might be going? Believe it or not, it got worse. She didn't like my choice of friends, ESPECIALLY the fact that my previous owner and I parted amicably and would probably remain friends rather than bitter enemies. That would not stand. I was NEVER to speak to her again. She also didn't like it that I spoke to a lot of female submissives who remained in communication with me for years in just a friendship capacity. ONLY SHE should be communicating with female submissives, and any communication I would have with them would generate from her contact with female subs that she then directed towards me, on a much more "men do not speak unless spoken to, even to submissive women" basis. Well, I decided this wasn't what I was looking for, so I gave up my search. She called me all sorts of names, and even tried to ruin my reputation in the bdsm community where I resided. Fortunately, too many people knew about me to cause that to happen, but wow, that was one vindictive woman who didn't like that a submissive DARED to not sign that contract. Oh yeah, she wanted it signed before I finished my hot chocolate. Good times.

damia -> RE: slave contract advice wanted please. (6/22/2007 3:01:09 PM)
Seems like a load of bullshit, and a scary one, at that....Indefinitely the property of the Mistress, with no human rights, the Mistress can punish however she wants...(does that include maiming the slave??), the Mistress can prostitute the slave (can anyone say illegal?)... The contract does not even consider the slave as a living breathing person, but rather as an inanimate 'thing'. I'm not sure why any Mistress would want that, let alone think it's right... Just my opinion, Jewel

LadyPact -> RE: slave contract advice wanted please. (6/22/2007 3:04:34 PM)
littlesar, Just so you know, I did read your story. In fact, I found it a much better read than the supposed 'contract'.

DiurnalVampire -> RE: slave contract advice wanted please. (6/22/2007 3:04:48 PM)
My 2 cents If you have to ask someone you have never met for an opinion as to whether or not you should reject it that means it isnt sitting well with you. Personally, I dont believe in written slave contracts. They are pointless and are often used to take the place of open communicatons. DV

SDFemDom4cuck -> RE: slave contract advice wanted please. (6/22/2007 3:15:06 PM)
I don't have alot to say about this particular drivel except that I agree with all the others that find it to be carp. I do believe in drawing up a contract on an individual basis with expectations and agreed to terms of service. I have never had one that ran longer than one year with renegotiations being gone through at the end of that time period. Not only as a measurement of evolution and change over the year but as a reconfirmation of commitment to the relationship as well. That's just me. I have a thing for protocal and ritual as well.

blmtrsne -> RE: slave contract advice wanted please. (6/22/2007 3:26:16 PM)
My husband wanted to become my slave as well, and I accepted. He proposed to make a contract, and although it is not legally binding, it is a guideline to us. But what's more: he forced himself into a situation where I can control a lot. F.i. he made video's of himself begging to accept him and to a lot of other things, giving me freedom (please Mistress, make love to another man...) and a way to force him (will I show this video of you dressed like a sissy to your mother, boss...). Although I never needed it, he knows he gave it to me and that I could use it. He signed legal papers and gave his banccard with code to me, so I'm the only one controlling the incomming money etc... He signed papers acknowliging that I payed for everything in the house with my money before we married... So, if you're creative, a lot can be arranged between you two: he does not need anything, he has a Mistress. She knows what's best so she can control anything. So, my advice: if he is serious about it, let him prove it IRL. blmtrsne

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