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k8trix -> RE: Complete submission or blind following? (6/27/2007 9:19:09 PM)

I think this is one of the areas that being selective about whom you serve is -extremely- important. As a submissive, ideally, it's my greatest hope and desire to be able to trust my Master with my life, with everything. I believe that it is possible to be in a relationship that has that level of trust, but it's not something that comes quickly, or easily, or without much time and care from both the submissive and dominant.



ownedgirlie -> RE: Complete submission or blind following? (6/27/2007 9:39:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MisstressNboytoy

So, when your master or mistress gives you an order, what is the thought process that goes through your mind? Do you do it immediately no matter what, or do you think about what the consequences might be? Where is the line between where you wouldn't think about it at all, and where you would refuse? Have you talked it over with your owner, so that he or she will know ahead of time?


The thought process I go through is if I first have any questions about how he would like the order fulfilled.  There is no line of refusal, as I refuse him nothing.  But if there is something I believe would cause harm that I think he may not have considered, I will ask him about it.  Example - he once teased me about doing something naked in a parking lot.  I asked if he would still be there for me when I got out of jail (we were joking around).  If ever I have a concern, I am allowed to voice it - once. But I trust his decisions.

You mentioned "blind following."  I do not consider my slavery to him to be blindly lived.  He knows me intimately and therefore can readily predict how I might react to any given situation.  I also know his sense of ethics, morals, principles well enough to trust where he is coming from.  This kind of trust did not happen over night.  The posts you found so shocking in the other threads were from slaves whose Masters know them intimately, and who know such things about their owners to know they will not be irreverseably harmed.



amayos -> RE: Complete submission or blind following? (6/28/2007 4:10:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MisstressNboytoy

Recently, I've seen a lot of posts in the forums from subs that have greatly surprised me. From the thread in this section about financial domination to the health and safety section about std's, submissives continue to express their unfaltering devotion to their owners no matter what is being asked of them. Complete submission and trust is a beautiful thing, but is it truly ever all right to stop thinking of your own well-being in order to please your owner?



It is my experience the nature of slavery is one where obedience will become reflex over time, and this is all the more reason why those entering slavery should make it a thinking and aware process. Choosing the one you will serve is a critical and delicate thing; you must be certain they contain the ability to lead and make sound judgments—that they possess the vision to transcend weakness and harmful stupidity.

It is of course wise to remember that Masters and Mistresses are imperfect human beings, too. Nonetheless, they are human beings entrusted with keeping another under their complete control. In this there is a self requirement to evolve beyond the common mind, to be good stewards—not only to their proven servants, but to themselves and the futures they will author. Keepers should hold themselves to standards that inspire and actualize their higher state of being. Embodying this, they ensure a natural adoration and trust in their authority.

Under the dominance of such a spirit, the thinking creature that is the human animal can give of itself entirely and become a willing slave, finding that needed freedom of trust to follow blindly. Upon this path, unquestioning obedience of the slave is sound, and the rightful demand of the Keeper. Conversely, those who surrender themselves to what they do not understand, respect or trust invite needless harm. It is here I see two paths of following blindly; one is to be encouraged and the other avoided.




trainedobedients -> RE: Complete submission or blind following? (6/28/2007 4:47:50 PM)

Very good topic Ma'am. I also wondered about those statements mentioned.

I am married to my Master. We talk(ed) about everything and safety always prevails. He would never ask me to have sex with other Dom/Domme without protection.

The funny thing is I would follow him anywhere (deep trust) but it is Master who ussually says no, that would be unsafe, unhealthy for you and stops it. He likes to see the commitment but would never pursue it. In fact it would anger him if I would endanger 'his' property.[8|]



easyway -> RE: Complete submission or blind following? (6/28/2007 4:58:59 PM)

allow me to jump in with my two cents :).....i completely agree that trust and communications are the key to enjoying, serving and having one's needs met. To play or serve someone you do not trust is foolish in my opinion, as it would be to build a relationship with someone you did not trust in the vanilla world as well.



Domspaintoy -> RE: Complete submission or blind following? (6/29/2007 3:39:52 AM)

i have complete and total trust in my Master and that He will ensure my safety at all times.

i wouldnt be with Him if that trust wasnt there, it has taken time, honesty, responsibility, communication and faith in Him, myself and O/our relationship to build up that trust. If He says jump i jump because i know He has made sure its safe for me to jump.

As His valued/treasured property i know He isnt going to harm/damage me, im no good to Him damaged or dead am i?!

Dpt [:D]



sleazybutterfly -> RE: Complete submission or blind following? (6/29/2007 3:57:08 AM)

I would have sex with someone if Master told me to unprotected.  The reasoning behind that is that I know he wouldn't have me have sex with anyone that has anything, or that could.  He has sex with me all of the time also, so he would be risking his own health as well as mine.  We don't practice this though, so it's not really an issue for our dynamic. 

As far as not questioning things I am told to do.  I belong to this man, totally.  It's not something casual we just play around with.  With that, he has earned my trust and my loyalty.  He didn't get this overnight, he was given after much time and some growing pains.  I know he wouldn't do anything that would harm me either financially, or physically.

If I have concerns for some reason, I do voice them.  He will either go on, or choose a different course, that is totally up to him.

Someone does need to be careful, and they shouldn't just follow in a blind way.  It's something that forms over time and is earned on both sides.  He is my Master because he has done that, I give him the control and authority over my life.  If I ever feel he doesn't value my life, nor my well-being...all of it can be taken away from him in the blink of an eye.



bravehearted -> RE: Complete submission or blind following? (6/29/2007 9:05:48 PM)

I totally agree that blind steps to the slaughter are repulsive.  Communication is complicated.  Trust can't happen until communication runs it's course.  Trust is a cornerstone of D/s.  Unprotected sex?  lambs and lemmings.

Also, I am sub so I may be off here...but...doesn't a subs appeal have to do with their strength to give something special?  What's special about madness?



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