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RE: Faults - 6/11/2005 6:53:37 PM   
RiotGirl


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Did i also mention on of my faults was rambling on too much and not stating things clear to the point, but feeling the need to go on and on and explain continuously?

Oh and i also think it IS a service for others to help point out the faults i have = ) Emerald helped me see i have insecurity issues. (not that i didnt already know, but knowing and seeing are two different things) For that i am thankful to her, because with her "point" i was able to learn other things about myself.

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RE: Faults - 6/11/2005 7:27:42 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: RiotGirl

As for this thread. i thought i pretty well stated what i thought, in a clear concise manner. Maybe its too much ramblings and musings thrown together? Okay, from the top. i believe everyone has their own unique set of faults. No one is perfect and no one is better then anyone else. i believe it is wise to find out what another's faults are before commiting oneself, because it is the "faults" of each other that will make or break the relationship. As the "good" is generally a pretty easy thing to get along with. i believe when it comes to relationships, its all about what you can and can not deal with.

Second topic. The questions i asked Emerald. And yes i already had a belief and was curious to hers. i believe that it is our duty (duty is a terrible word, but for lack of better) as submissives and s/o's to help our Doms improve. Because it also services them in their world. i believe our Tops do help us, vanilla wise, by improving us to their ideals. Example : Quitting smoking. That is something that could please a Master, but also helps the slave outside of the Master. Therefore i think its one in the same. Our Doms help us D/s and vanilla. Though it doesnt matter which world the improvement touches on or even if both, they are still helping us. As people who love, and subs that serve ~ shouldnt we also help them improve? i think we should. Like i also said, there are alot of faults we as people can not see about ourselves. Isnt it a service to point out the things our Doms can not see about themselves? i think it is.



Thank you for explaining, riotgirl. I feel better now.
Yes, W/we all have faults and W/we all should want relationships that are beneficial to both parties. So, if and when I have a good relationship with a boy, I would be open to him mentioning something he noticed. I am aware I don't eat at the right times. That should be pointed out to Me. But, I am also aware I smoke (there's a fault!), and no matter how strongly the boy feels about My health, until I am ready to quit, I am not going to do it. (I only mention smoking since you used it as an example). So no matter how much a boy wants Me to quit smoking and feels it is an improvement for Me, until I am ready, I will just get annoyed. And if he is concerned for his own health, then he shouldn't have come to Me in the first place. On the flip side, if he notices I am a foot shuffler, or that I react negatively to certain things too often, I would appreciate that input, and take a look at Myself.
Admittedly the Dominant has the upper hand in these situations, and, IMO, it is never good for a relationship where the Dominant is always right in every thing, and every habit, but it is a delicate situation. And there are some Dominants out there who do feel they are right all the time. Some things are acceptable and some are not. Each relationship is different and has different tolerance levels for different attitudes and dialogues. I have seen tons of questions on these boards from submissives who ask questions about something that happened or is happening and wondering if this is right. Unless it is illegal or medically harmful, no one can really say, yea or nay. All W/we can do is opine whether or not W/we would participate in such an acitivty or not and why or why not. SSC is really different for E/everybody. I demand things Others do not. I will not demand things Others insist upon.
So Some might see your effort to "improve" your Dom as a good thing, and Others might consider it just disrespectful.
Only you and your Master can work that out for Y/yourselves.

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RE: Faults - 6/11/2005 7:48:47 PM   
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thanks for the input! Though i dont feel its right for me to mention Master's faults here, especially since he prolly doesnt realise he has them (one of those perfect people) LOLOLOL i'm JOKING. That was terrible, but funny (to me)

Seriously though, its not my right to lay his faults out here. Its not a pushy thing either when telling a Dom of their faults. more like a "Did you know you did this?" Or "did you know this is how that sounds" More along the lines of Did you know? Because if they DO know and find it acceptable, then thats all that matters. Being you've already accepted and can deal with them (so they arent changing for you) So the service i suppose is actually telling the Dom's.

Like one thing i noticed about Master is every time he eats McD's he gets these terrible hiccups. He didnt know until i mentioned it to him and then he "reaslied" it. Or like every time he plays this computer game he gets in a foul mood. He ALWAYS gets ticked off at the people in the game. Its a live multi player, mmporg (or whatever the abbr for it is). Does he still play the game and east McD's. Yeah. But atleast he knows. Those arent really faults, but it gives an idea.

LOLOLOL Like i found out one of my "faults" was when i lie, my eyelashes go a mile a minute. Luckily for me, i dont lie to Master. LOLOLOL <chuckles> i dont know if we can really help improve our Top's "faults" other then by pointing them out.

Though just like GI JOE, knowing is half the battle! And Knowing saves the day. And i whole heartedly agree, that its not up to s/s to do to anything about the improvements. All we can do is help point them out. Because really, a person cant change unless they want to.

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RE: Faults - 6/11/2005 8:06:42 PM   
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The abbreviation for "Massively Multiplayer Online Role-Playing Game", like EverQuest, World of Warcraft, and others along those lines is MMORPG. [/geek moment]

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RE: Faults - 6/12/2005 1:04:08 AM   
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In brief, it is my responsibility as a slave to assist the Owner in any way he wishes me to assist, including improving what and how things he feels should be improved.

It is not my ultimate responsibility to choose which things should be improved in MY life or in MY person OR in how I should be assisted in doing so.

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RE: Faults - 6/12/2005 7:37:41 AM   
RiotGirl


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quote:

In brief, it is my responsibility as a slave to assist the Owner in any way he wishes me to assist,


So have you asked if he wants to know about all his faults?

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It is not my ultimate responsibility to choose which things should be improved in MY life or in MY person OR in how I should be assisted in doing so.


there was no question about that?? Not excatly sure where this is coming on. But atleast your right!

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RE: Faults - 6/12/2005 10:22:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: RiotGirl
So have you asked if he wants to know about all his faults?

Sometimes. On our very first meeting I asked him if he wanted me to keep reminding him about being late for things and what time we needed to go or if he wanted me to just sit and wait. He said he wanted me to keep reminding him.

But I never expect him to BE on time or watch the clock like I do, it's simply not who he is and he has no plans to change. So I accept that.

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RE: Faults - 6/12/2005 11:12:16 PM   
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find all their faults inside the first 24 hours

that is also impossible.

riotgirl!

well?
impossible?...i personally no, i feel it is not impossible. i just spent a weekend-meet with a new Goddess i am under consideration to.
i found many personal faults in this weekend. most i found in the first hour.
but then, i am a picky person. it is part of my o.c.d.

and again..i do not care. i would not..not..want a perfect Mistress anyway.
my new Goddess is as perfect as i would want Her to be.
these last 48 hrs were the happiest i have ever been. and if i am lucky, i get to go to Her permanent next week!!
thanks

a sissy


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RE: Faults - 6/13/2005 7:12:45 AM   
RiotGirl


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quote:

i found many personal faults in this weekend. most i found in the first hour


hate to debate symantics with you, but check out this highlighted word

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find all their faults inside the first 24 hours


now this one. Whats the difference?

Though i am happy for you = )

Though i am sure there are alot more faults to come LOLOLOL

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RE: Faults - 6/13/2005 1:50:03 PM   
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RiotGirl

bnut but but...we were..talking Her faults weren't we?
hell i know "i" am no angel..never tried to be..that is why i get into so much trouble without trying.

thanks


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