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farglebargle -> RE: Freedom of the Press in danger? (7/6/2007 12:32:23 PM)

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What about the fact that 85% of college professors voted for John Kerry in the last election? What about the fact that 90% of the newspapers in this country are liberal? What about the fact that 90% of television news is liberal? I don't see the left bitching about fairness there.


Please provide clear evidence to support these claims.





Marc2b -> RE: Freedom of the Press in danger? (7/6/2007 1:06:30 PM)

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The 'fairness doctrine' denys no one their choices, you have the choice to turn the blather on and the choice to turn the blather off.

Sigh. Here I go having to repeat myself again. You are confusing intent with actual consequences. The Fairness Doctrine demands equal time for political views. But as we have seen, liberal views don’t play well on talk radio. This means they would be unprofitable for broadcasters. Subsequently, broadcasters will avoid any political issues which in turn means the conservative shows will be taken off the air (the true aim of the Fairness Doctrine – what do you want to bet that if liberals dominated talk radio, conservatives would advocate the Fairness Doctrine and liberals would be opposed to it?). You will not be increasing choice for listeners, but decreasing them.

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If this fatuous argument is forwarded, then the fact that 'radical right asswipe radio' pervades the air denies me of choice.

The question is, by what means are your choices limited? By government intervention or by the natural economic forces of the free market? Broadcast licences are sold. The broadcasters put on programing that they hope will attract listeners which in turn will attract advertisers and so generate a profit. Shows that don’t interest enough listeners are dropped (remember Air America?), shows that do attract enough interest are kept. So your choice isn’t being limited by the government, but by the simple fact that you're not in synch with the majority of listeners. Yet, like a whiny four year old throwing a temper tantrum, you demand that (in intent) mommy (the government) make the big bad broadcasters cater to your (unprofitable) ass. The free market makes no guarantees. You have no right to demand that others serve your whims. If you can’t find what you’re looking for, tough shit! Society is not obligated to kiss your ass. And you have no right to deny (actual consequences) others what they enjoy out of spite.




Masternslave07 -> RE: Freedom of the Press in danger? (7/6/2007 1:19:40 PM)

It is funny how liberals always want to change the rules when reality doesn't agree with their views, or they don't get the results they want, whether it is presidential elections or talk radio. If you don't like Conservative talk radio, listen to NPR, which by the way would fail too, if it wasn't supported by tax dollars.
The press is overwhelmingly liberal and I don't see any liberals talking about evening out that disparity. Or any Conservatives calling for the press to be regulated.
Quit crying and try competing. Try coming up with something that people would be interested in listening to or watching.




Marc2b -> RE: Freedom of the Press in danger? (7/6/2007 1:56:19 PM)

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Clients conduct scientific studies... etc.

I don’t disagree with any of that. It is perfectly natural for businesses to try and convince the consumer to buy from them. As long as they are honest about their product/service, none of that bothers me in the least. After all, I spend my day trying to convince people to come into an art gallery. Which of the following two demographics would I be better off directing my advertising dollars to: pre-teen boys, or middle-aged women?

If you feel that people buying a Hummer because Arnold drives one shows a lack of discernment on peoples part, I would say two things.

First, if there is a general lack of discernment in most people, the problem lies in our education system – we are failing to teach critical thinking in our schools.

Second, we should be careful about judging people we don’t know. Maybe they bought a Hummer for other reasons. I’ve had college know-it-all hippies scream at me that I am killing the planet because I drive a pick-up truck, and don’t need one to get by and that I should really drive a Hybrid. Really? Just how am I supposed to put a twelve foot high, seven hundred pound, wood carving into the back of a Hybrid? Everyone is motivated by different reasons and advertisers, for all their studies and for all their effort, are still subject to the decisions of the individual.

I think there is much confusion on some people’s part by what I mean by the free market. I mean two things.

First, I mean a system, within a framework of law, in which people have the ability (freedom) to buy or not buy what they desire (from the available choices) for whatever reason. And, to sell or not sell what products and or services (legal one’s of course) they desire at what prices they desire.

Secondly, I mean the cumulative effect of millions of people making thousand (often seemingly irrelevant) decisions every day. Should I have lunch at Pizza Hut or Dominos? Should I gas up at Mobile or Sunoco? These decisions are made by different people for different reasons. Person A may go to Dominos simply because it is closer while person B will drive a little farther because he like Pizza Hut better. Businesses, of all sizes, will rise or fall upon the outcome of this cumulative effect and upon their ability to respond to it. If a company puts out a bad product, no amount of advertising will save them. Word gets around. Word of mouth, for good or ill, is still the greatest advertising of them all.

Just the other day, Kenmore lost a sale and Maytag gained one because of what I said to a friend who wanted to buy a dishwasher. I told him that my last apartment had a Maytag and my current one a Kenmore. Further more, I told him (from my own experience) that a Kenmore dishwasher is a cheap plastic piece of shit that is constantly breaking down and doesn’t get all the dishes clean even when it is running properly. The Maytag, on the other hand, never broke down and always scrubbed the dishes clean, no matter how dirty the dishes were (I swear to God, you could shove a corpse into a Maytag, turn it on, and when the cycle was complete all you would have is some shiny clean bones!).

Now, I don’t know if other people’s experiences with dishwashers are the same as mine but if enough are, Kenmore is going to have to address quality issues, or start losing out big time. That’s the free market.




cyberdude611 -> RE: Freedom of the Press in danger? (7/6/2007 2:15:19 PM)

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What about the fact that 85% of college professors voted for John Kerry in the last election? What about the fact that 90% of the newspapers in this country are liberal? What about the fact that 90% of television news is liberal? I don't see the left bitching about fairness there.

Please provide clear evidence to support these claims
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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

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What about the fact that 85% of college professors voted for John Kerry in the last election? What about the fact that 90% of the newspapers in this country are liberal? What about the fact that 90% of television news is liberal? I don't see the left bitching about fairness there.


Please provide clear evidence to support these claims.




Where shall I begin?

When Newt Gingrich landed a book deal, he got $400,000 and progressives were outraged. When Hillary wrote her book, she was given $8 million dollars and praised.

The Media Research Center did an indepth study of the news media in the United States....here were a few of their conclusions...
 
The organization in the parentheses is the source of the poll, not the outlet polled.

-Surverys from 1978 to 2005 show that journalists are far more likely to say they are liberal than conservative, and far more liberal than the public at large. (George Washington University)
-None of the surveys have found that news organizations are populated by independent thinkers who mix liberal and conservative positions. (George Washington University)
-9 out of 10 Americans believe reporters and journalists sometimes or often let their personal views influence the way they report the news, and most of the people (7 out of 10) believe this bias helps liberals. (George Washington University)
-More than 4/5ths of the journalists polled voted for the Democratic presidential candidate in every single election between 1976 and 2004. (George Washington University)
-90% of journalists agree that a woman "has the right to decide for herself whether to have an abortion" on a question that asks strongly agree, agree, neutral or no opinion, disagree, or strongly disagree. 79% of the journalists maked "Strongly agree." (George Washington University)
-56% of journalists believe America exploits 3rd world countries and causes poverty. 57% disagree with the phrase "the west has helped the world." (George Washington University)
-In 1984, the American people re-elected Ronald Reagan in a 59-41 landslide. Yet 58% of newspaper journalists claim they voted for Walter Mondale. Only 26% said they voted for Reagan. (LA Times)
-81% of journalists back affirmative action and 79% favor gun control. (Washington Post)
-34% of journalists claim to be registered Democrats and 7% are registered Republicans. (Washington Post)
-47% of journalists claim to be "liberal" and only 22% claim to be "conservative." In comparison, a Gallup poll taken near the same time found that only 18% of the American public considers themselves "liberal." (Gallup and New York Times)
-In 1992, 9 White House reporters voted for Bill Clinton. Only 2 voted for Bush. (US News & World Report)
-In 1998, 12 voted for Dukakis. Only 1 voted for Bush. (US News & World Report)
-In 1984, 10 voted for Mondale, NONE voted for Reagan. (US News & World Report)
-73% agree that homosexuality is an "acceptable lifestyle." (Public Interest Journal)
-71% agree that the government should work to make sure everyone has a job. (Public Interest Journal)
-52% said they voted for John Kerry while only 19% said they voted for Bush. (Chicago Tribune)
-Only 11% of female journalists consider themselves "conservative." (American Society of Newspaper Editors)

There also appears to be an extremely large difference between journalists that work in Washington DC compared to journalists who work outside Washington DC. According to a poll sponsored by the New York Times, journalists in the capital voted for Kerry over Bush by a 12 to 1 ratio while journalists outside the capital voted for Kerry over Bush by a margin of only 3 to 1.

There is also major differences in the Iraq war. Although both the public and the media appear to be against the war in Iraq...the media is more than twice as much against the war than the American people. Polls show only 22% of journalists believe the invasion helped Iraq while 44% of Americans believe the has helped.

Pew Research did some research on how the public views the media. They found that conservatives overwhelmingly agree (87%) that the media is biased to the left. The feelings among liberals seem to be mixed with only a small minority (22%) claiming it is biased to the right. All together, only 27% of Americans believe the media "reports the news accurately." And 89% of Americans say the news is biased.

Zogby agrees. His poll in Feb 2007 showed that 83% of Americans believe the media is biased one way or the other. And 60% believe the bias is towards the left.

If anyone should be demanding a fairness doctrine...it is conservatives. Because progressives dominate the media. There is not one single poll that supports the argument that the media is right-wing or that it is neutral. 99% of polls show that the media is biased heavily towards the left.




mnottertail -> RE: Freedom of the Press in danger? (7/6/2007 2:59:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Marc2b

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Sigh. Here I go having to repeat myself again. You are confusing intent with actual consequences.

repeating somthing that is incorrect does not by dint of weariness assume correctness.

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Yet, like a whiny four year old throwing a temper tantrum, you demand that (in intent) mommy (the government) make the big bad broadcasters cater to your (unprofitable) ass. The free market makes no guarantees. You have no right to demand that others serve your whims. If you can’t find what you’re looking for, tough shit! Society is not obligated to kiss your ass. And you have no right to deny (actual consequences) others what they enjoy out of spite.


My aims are purely altruistic, I feel I am indebted to the common good, and those of limited horizons and  even  meaner intelligence should no more be allowed to be continously indoctrinated with radical right flawed reasoning than a sex criminal should be allowed pedastery. 

We even now are faced with the eroding of our nations principles in the name of the flag and patriotism and God and all manner of imbicilic horseshit.








caitlyn -> RE: Freedom of the Press in danger? (7/6/2007 3:18:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Masternslave07
It is funny how liberals always want to change the rules when reality doesn't agree with their views, or they don't get the results they want, whether it is presidential elections or talk radio. If you don't like Conservative talk radio, listen to NPR, which by the way would fail too, if it wasn't supported by tax dollars.

The press is overwhelmingly liberal and I don't see any liberals talking about evening out that disparity. Or any Conservatives calling for the press to be regulated.

Quit crying and try competing. Try coming up with something that people would be interested in listening to or watching.


Some liberals do, and some don't. The way you phrase it, allows someone to find one liberal that doesn't want it changed ... making your statement incorrect.
 
On that note, if the media is overwhelmingly liberal (which I would doubt), isn't that liberals competing and coming up with something that people would be interested in listening to or watching?




caitlyn -> RE: Freedom of the Press in danger? (7/6/2007 3:25:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: cyberdude611
Zogby agrees. His poll in Feb 2007 showed that 83% of Americans believe the media is biased one way or the other. And 60% believe the bias is towards the left.


John Zogby once told us that John Kerry had won the last Presidential election. I'm just sayin' [;)]




mnottertail -> RE: Freedom of the Press in danger? (7/6/2007 3:29:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: caitlyn

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ORIGINAL: Masternslave07
It is funny how liberals always want to change the rules when reality doesn't agree with their views, or they don't get the results they want, whether it is presidential elections or talk radio. If you don't like Conservative talk radio, listen to NPR, which by the way would fail too, if it wasn't supported by tax dollars.

The press is overwhelmingly liberal and I don't see any liberals talking about evening out that disparity. Or any Conservatives calling for the press to be regulated.

Quit crying and try competing. Try coming up with something that people would be interested in listening to or watching.


Some liberals do, and some don't. The way you phrase it, allows someone to find one liberal that doesn't want it changed ... making your statement incorrect.
 
On that note, if the media is overwhelmingly liberal (which I would doubt), isn't that liberals competing and coming up with something that people would be interested in listening to or watching?


The hue and cry they are trying for is defenders of the faith, they are beset on all sides and the ploy is, the heathen  are coming to deystroy christianity.

When in fact, the opposite is looking even truer.




caitlyn -> RE: Freedom of the Press in danger? (7/6/2007 3:44:32 PM)

You know, I'm not decidedly liberal, or conservative. I vote for whomever I think is the best candidate. I don't care what party they come from, I don't care if they are a communist, as long as they are going to do the will of the people.
 
That said, on the national scale, the Republicans have some serious problems, and they just can't face those problems for what they really are. After the last Presidential election, they had the White House, Congress, you name it. Power was almost absolute. What they did with that power, can't be hidden. Spending to oblivion. An economy that is good ... but only as good as spending tomorrow's money today, can be. Iraq ... ouch!
 
Blaming liberals, at this point, is just a dog that won't hunt.

What is really sad, is that Democrats will probably win the White House very soon ... and Congress, and you name it ... and will do an equally poor job. Anyone that really thinks Hillary Clinton will get us out of Iraq, is dreaming. Read her books ... Iran better fucking duck if she gets in office.
 
I think I will get drunk tonight. [:D] 




mnottertail -> RE: Freedom of the Press in danger? (7/6/2007 3:53:40 PM)

   I detest Hillary.  I will join you in your efforts.   I would vote the shit out of Colin Powell we need someone in that catagory of patriotism and providing for the common good to unwind this fuckin' miasma.  The best news on the front is that ranking republicans are giving signals that it is gonna be moheftigly ok to break ranks with Bush on the Iraq bullshit.  It is the only way to save any seats.






cyberdude611 -> RE: Freedom of the Press in danger? (7/6/2007 5:17:54 PM)

What will happen is the Democrats will win big in 2008 and Hillary is probably going to be president.

But the Democrat rule will be short-lived because they are going to crash and burn badly and they will lose congress in 2010. They will interpret the 2008 election victory as a mandate for their progressive agenda that includes the DREAM act (which is basically free citizenship to anyone that wants it), universal healthcare, and various other progressive programs. If you think the government grew during the Bush presidency....you havn't seen anything yet. The real reason Dems win 2008 is not because America has become progressive....quite opposite actually. The GOP is in the process of expelling the neo-cons from their party. And in the process, the Dems win by default. By 2010 or 2012, the GOP will be back.

That's what my crystal ball is saying....




Sinergy -> RE: Freedom of the Press in danger? (7/6/2007 5:25:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Masternslave07

The press is overwhelmingly liberal and I don't see any liberals talking about evening out that disparity. Or any Conservatives calling for the press to be regulated.



The liberal media theory was created and espoused by conservative talk show hosts several years ago and repeated endlessly to prove their claim that the media was liberal.

If you actually count up the number of media attacks on liberal figures, vs. the number of media attacks on conservative figures, (i.e. doing the math, not just mouthing the drivel emanating from Rush Limbaugh's overused (and addicted) cake hole) the claim that the media is liberal falls on it's face.

Clinton and Gore were resoundingly beaten to death by the (allegedly) liberal media during their time in office.

The (allegedly) liberal media hardly bothers to make any statement at all which might tarnish AnencephalyBoy's image.

I dont know what bizarro world you live in, but from where I am sitting, a news media that viciously attacks liberals for doing non-crimes (like getting a blow job) and hardly mentions conservatives no matter how egregious their crimes (like lying to Congress, bankrupting S&Ls, extorting money from native americans, etc) are, does not strike me as doing a very good job waving the "liberal" banner.

Just me, could be wrong, but there you go.

Sinergy

p.s.  You do realize that Rupert Murdoch and Clear Channel hold a vast number of media outlets, and he is an avowed arch conservative.




mnottertail -> RE: Freedom of the Press in danger? (7/6/2007 5:33:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: cyberdude611

What will happen is the Democrats will win big in 2008 and Hillary is probably going to be president.

But the Democrat rule will be short-lived because they are going to crash and burn badly and they will lose congress in 2010. They will interpret the 2008 election victory as a mandate for their progressive agenda that includes the DREAM act (which is basically free citizenship to anyone that wants it), universal healthcare, and various other progressive programs. If you think the government grew during the Bush presidency....you havn't seen anything yet. The real reason Dems win 2008 is not because America has become progressive....quite opposite actually. The GOP is in the process of expelling the neo-cons from their party. And in the process, the Dems win by default. By 2010 or 2012, the GOP will be back.

That's what my crystal ball is saying....


And I buy into that at the 90 percentile level, you guys dump the neo-cons, we dump the god is love liberals, and by god maybe we can sit down and reason together and finally move this country into the 21 century ........

I AGREE!!!!!




Masternslave07 -> RE: Freedom of the Press in danger? (7/6/2007 5:55:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

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ORIGINAL: Masternslave07

The press is overwhelmingly liberal and I don't see any liberals talking about evening out that disparity. Or any Conservatives calling for the press to be regulated.



The liberal media theory was created and espoused by conservative talk show hosts several years ago and repeated endlessly to prove their claim that the media was liberal.

If you actually count up the number of media attacks on liberal figures, vs. the number of media attacks on conservative figures, (i.e. doing the math, not just mouthing the drivel emanating from Rush Limbaugh's overused (and addicted) cake hole) the claim that the media is liberal falls on it's face.

Clinton and Gore were resoundingly beaten to death by the (allegedly) liberal media during their time in office.

The (allegedly) liberal media hardly bothers to make any statement at all which might tarnish AnencephalyBoy's image.

I dont know what bizarro world you live in, but from where I am sitting, a news media that viciously attacks liberals for doing non-crimes (like getting a blow job) and hardly mentions conservatives no matter how egregious their crimes (like lying to Congress, bankrupting S&Ls, extorting money from native americans, etc) are, does not strike me as doing a very good job waving the "liberal" banner.

Just me, could be wrong, but there you go.

Sinergy

p.s.  You do realize that Rupert Murdoch and Clear Channel hold a vast number of media outlets, and he is an avowed arch conservative.



Actually I live in the real world. It is pretty obvious to anyone without an agenda, that newspapers and network television slant the news to the left. To argue with that is just silly.
I agree that liberals get slammed at times by the press, and the reason for that is because the press are sharks that when they smell blood go into a feeding frenzy. But to say the reporting is balanced, please.
Talk radio is so popular because people are hungry for a different viewpoint than the left wing slant that is so prevalent in the mainstream media. There is no right wing conspiracy that needs to be fixed by the government. But of course to a liberal, more government regulation is always the first choice. Especially when they don't get their way.




mnottertail -> RE: Freedom of the Press in danger? (7/6/2007 6:02:48 PM)

I would comment, but it would require an understanding of the REAL world such that one is capable of pouring piss out of a boot without assistance and direction.

Think about it, you got time----




Sinergy -> RE: Freedom of the Press in danger? (7/6/2007 6:22:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Masternslave07

Actually I live in the real world. It is pretty obvious to anyone without an agenda, that newspapers and network television slant the news to the left. To argue with that is just silly.



Obvious.  Hrm.  Ok.

Sure, to argue with it is just silly.  Those arguing the liberal media nonsense simply parrot the words spoken to them by such luminaries as Rush Limbaugh.  They fail to consider that because of Rush Limbaugh's position on drug addiction was so opposite to the reality that is Rush Limbaugh, that it might be worthwhile to consider the veracity of his other talking points as possibly being something other than what he says.

To actually support it with empirical evidence is just impossible.  Care to provide any real evidence to support your position, I would be more than happy to read it.

[sarcasm]

But I will admit that because you said it, it must be true.

[/sarcasm]

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Talk radio is so popular because people are hungry for a different viewpoint than the left wing slant that is so prevalent in the mainstream media.



Last I checked, talk radio IS mainstream.

Sinergy

p.s.  Weird that a man (Rupert Murdoch) who is so right wing, who owns such a huge slice of the news media in this country, would allow the news outlets he owns to continue to blindly parrot their liberal hogwash.  Go figure.




farglebargle -> RE: Freedom of the Press in danger? (7/6/2007 8:34:35 PM)


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ORIGINAL: cyberdude611

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What about the fact that 85% of college professors voted for John Kerry in the last election? What about the fact that 90% of the newspapers in this country are liberal? What about the fact that 90% of television news is liberal? I don't see the left bitching about fairness there.

Please provide clear evidence to support these claims
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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

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What about the fact that 85% of college professors voted for John Kerry in the last election? What about the fact that 90% of the newspapers in this country are liberal? What about the fact that 90% of television news is liberal? I don't see the left bitching about fairness there.


Please provide clear evidence to support these claims.




Where shall I begin?

When Newt Gingrich landed a book deal, he got $400,000 and progressives were outraged. When Hillary wrote her book, she was given $8 million dollars and praised.

The Media Research Center did an indepth study of the news media in the United States....here were a few of their conclusions...

The organization in the parentheses is the source of the poll, not the outlet polled.

-Surverys from 1978 to 2005 show that journalists are far more likely to say they are liberal than conservative, and far more liberal than the public at large. (George Washington University)
-None of the surveys have found that news organizations are populated by independent thinkers who mix liberal and conservative positions. (George Washington University)
-9 out of 10 Americans believe reporters and journalists sometimes or often let their personal views influence the way they report the news, and most of the people (7 out of 10) believe this bias helps liberals. (George Washington University)
-More than 4/5ths of the journalists polled voted for the Democratic presidential candidate in every single election between 1976 and 2004. (George Washington University)
-90% of journalists agree that a woman "has the right to decide for herself whether to have an abortion" on a question that asks strongly agree, agree, neutral or no opinion, disagree, or strongly disagree. 79% of the journalists maked "Strongly agree." (George Washington University)
-56% of journalists believe America exploits 3rd world countries and causes poverty. 57% disagree with the phrase "the west has helped the world." (George Washington University)
-In 1984, the American people re-elected Ronald Reagan in a 59-41 landslide. Yet 58% of newspaper journalists claim they voted for Walter Mondale. Only 26% said they voted for Reagan. (LA Times)
-81% of journalists back affirmative action and 79% favor gun control. (Washington Post)
-34% of journalists claim to be registered Democrats and 7% are registered Republicans. (Washington Post)
-47% of journalists claim to be "liberal" and only 22% claim to be "conservative." In comparison, a Gallup poll taken near the same time found that only 18% of the American public considers themselves "liberal." (Gallup and New York Times)
-In 1992, 9 White House reporters voted for Bill Clinton. Only 2 voted for Bush. (US News & World Report)
-In 1998, 12 voted for Dukakis. Only 1 voted for Bush. (US News & World Report)
-In 1984, 10 voted for Mondale, NONE voted for Reagan. (US News & World Report)
-73% agree that homosexuality is an "acceptable lifestyle." (Public Interest Journal)
-71% agree that the government should work to make sure everyone has a job. (Public Interest Journal)
-52% said they voted for John Kerry while only 19% said they voted for Bush. (Chicago Tribune)
-Only 11% of female journalists consider themselves "conservative." (American Society of Newspaper Editors)

There also appears to be an extremely large difference between journalists that work in Washington DC compared to journalists who work outside Washington DC. According to a poll sponsored by the New York Times, journalists in the capital voted for Kerry over Bush by a 12 to 1 ratio while journalists outside the capital voted for Kerry over Bush by a margin of only 3 to 1.

There is also major differences in the Iraq war. Although both the public and the media appear to be against the war in Iraq...the media is more than twice as much against the war than the American people. Polls show only 22% of journalists believe the invasion helped Iraq while 44% of Americans believe the has helped.

Pew Research did some research on how the public views the media. They found that conservatives overwhelmingly agree (87%) that the media is biased to the left. The feelings among liberals seem to be mixed with only a small minority (22%) claiming it is biased to the right. All together, only 27% of Americans believe the media "reports the news accurately." And 89% of Americans say the news is biased.

Zogby agrees. His poll in Feb 2007 showed that 83% of Americans believe the media is biased one way or the other. And 60% believe the bias is towards the left.

If anyone should be demanding a fairness doctrine...it is conservatives. Because progressives dominate the media. There is not one single poll that supports the argument that the media is right-wing or that it is neutral. 99% of polls show that the media is biased heavily towards the left.



These citations are not independently verifiable.

Since the Media Research Center admits they have a bias from the beginning, their summarization is pointless.

Perhaps you could provide direct links to support the claims you make with EVIDENCE, not COMMENTARY?

Here's a hint. If the source does not provide an ABSTRACT, METHODOLOGY, RESULTS, ANALYSIS, and CONCLUSIONS it's probably not worth citing.





farglebargle -> RE: Freedom of the Press in danger? (7/6/2007 8:36:05 PM)

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p.s. You do realize that Rupert Murdoch and Clear Channel hold a vast number of media outlets, and he is an avowed arch conservative.



More to the point, he's a damned foreigner interfering with Internal affairs of our Sovereign Nation.

How the hell did he get to own any media in the US in the first place?





mnottertail -> RE: Freedom of the Press in danger? (7/6/2007 8:43:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

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p.s. You do realize that Rupert Murdoch and Clear Channel hold a vast number of media outlets, and he is an avowed arch conservative.



More to the point, he's a damned foreigner interfering with Internal affairs of our Sovereign Nation.

How the hell did he get to own any media in the US in the first place?




Well, this kinda spanks the monkey, don' it?  at a 90% liberal airwave/paper/asswipe rate..........
and given the fact that all the crotch rotten liberals are out to make the real and conservative americans take it up the ass...........i would say there is a bit of a media issue...............discuss------------




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