D/s & mental/emotional health

Collarspace Discussion Forums

Home Login Search

D/s & mental/emotional health

View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest

All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> General BDSM Discussion >> D/s & mental/emotional health

Page: [1] 2 next > >>

Login

Message

<< Older Topic Newer Topic >>

D/s & mental/emotional health - 7/1/2007 7:30:49 AM

Ayanaev717

Posts: 72
Status: offline

I have spoken to several potential subs and I make it very clear that stability is essential to me. Not perfection, but at least a sense of emotional and mental well-being. That the sub is self-aware of themselves in the smallest way. I have gathered from my talks that some have a lot of emotional/mental baggage and may use D/s as a way to work through their issue without professional help.

I believe that D/s deals with a lot emotional and psychological adjustments already. So how do any of you deal with someone who has an emotional/ mental break in a scene? Or let's say has a flashback from childhood or becomes simply emotionally unstable during the relationship? What are some of the things that you have done to debrief the submissive or yourself?

Have any of you hung in a D/s relationship with Dom/Dommes or subs that you knew may have some emotional and mental health issues? And why? What did you gain?

I also would like to know if any of you believe that you can use D/s to help either yourself or others work through emotional/mental issues? Or you can trust that if they individual gets help- you work play in scene with them is safe.

Thanks for the responses.

Always,

A

< Message edited by Ayanaev717 -- 7/1/2007 7:33:08 AM >

Post #: 1

RE: D/s & mental/emotional health - 7/1/2007 7:43:43 AM

slaveish

Posts: 1086
Joined: 2/19/2007
Status: offline

It's happened to me, the emotional break during a scene. My Sir stopped the play immediately, held me to him, let me have my freak out, and then told me that I was going to make an appointment with a therapist the next day.

I used to be drawn to abusers because of "old brain" psychology. I was trying to heal the past with people who reminded my old brain of my abusers - it was not something of which I was consciously aware. Our old brains do not understand the passage of time.

With therapy came liberation. With liberation from the past pain came the ability to form much healthier partnerships and friendships. Unless a Dom is a psychologist, I don't recommend "helping" from the armchair. My Sir was indeed a psychologist (I guess he still is) but he knew he was too close to the situation to be able to help.

Professional therapy is the ~only~ way out of those sorts of "heads", combined with the support and understanding of one's partner.

_____________________________

You only lose what you cling to. ~~Gautama Sidharta

If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we belong to each other. ~~Mother Teresa

(in reply to Ayanaev717)

Post #: 2

RE: D/s & mental/emotional health - 7/1/2007 8:16:30 AM

SirDominic

Posts: 711
Joined: 11/22/2006
Status: offline

Actually, I would say that some people use D/s in place of professional help! These are not people I would usually consider having a relationship with. It is not my goal in life to "fix" people. If, in my opinion, they are too unbalanced, I will not have have a relationship with that person.

That being said, as a rule, submissives usually do have some sort of issue they are dealing with (notice I said "usually", which by definition means a lot of the time but NOT all the time).

For example a good many submissives are perfectionists, a classic indicator of a lack of confidence in themselves in at least portions of their life. There is often a history in their lives of unhappy relationships, poor choices they have made which make them doubt their ability to make good decisions, and doubt their self worth. I don't consider this sort of stuff an automatic turnoff; but it does depend on the level of the insecurities.

Like you, I prefer someone who has taken the time to do some personal introspection. Those who have an idea of where their problem areas are, and want to improve. Again, I can't fix anyone; each individual must learn to fix themselves. I AM willing to help if I think I have some wisdom to offer, and they are genuinely interested in improving. I have had a few relationships where I have hung in there with someone because I believed the outcome was worth the effort.

I am a student of the human condition, but I have no professional training in the areas of psychology and counseling, so I keep my limitations in mind. I know what I can do, and what I cannot help with. It is very important that Dominants always keep their limitations in mind, and not let ego take over because that is when stupid mistakes are most likely to happen.

Emotional breakdowns in scenes are not atypical of any submissive. No matter how carefully you try to cover the basics, this can pop up at any moment. Often the sub has hit some deep emotional trauma they did not even consciously recognize. As a Dominant, one of the most important skills to have is the ability to get her through the crisis by remaining calm and controlled myself. I can almost guarantee that sooner or later this will happen, and any Dominant better know how they are going to cope with it. That can often be a make or break moment in a relationship. If one flubs it, the trust is broken. If one brings her through it in a caring, calming way, the trust skyrockets.

If you were to imagine a bound slave, helpless, squirming with her desires, and suddenly she is shaking and crying uncontrollably. It comes out of nowhere. Now notice what if feels like as the Dominant instantly stops the scene, unbinds the sub, and just cradles her in his arms. No words are necessary, just the knowledge that you are there for her, holding her close, so that she can feel so safe and secure. Protected. Eventually she will calm down, and you can talk about what happened. The more you are in control, her rock, the more she will be able to relax and the more she will feel compelled to open to you.

Namaste, Sir Dominic

p.s. I have defined submissive as female because of my orientation, but the same holds true for male submissives.

_____________________________

You teach best what you have lived.

(in reply to Ayanaev717)

Post #: 3

RE: D/s & mental/emotional health - 7/1/2007 8:22:11 AM

LotusSong

Posts: 6334
Joined: 7/2/2006
From: Domme Emeritus
Status: offline

Those that use D/s as "therapy" have a fool for a therapist.

_____________________________

Life Lesson #1

I'm not your type.
I'm not inflatable.

(in reply to Ayanaev717)

Post #: 4

RE: D/s & mental/emotional health - 7/1/2007 9:12:09 AM

thetammyjo

Posts: 6322
Joined: 9/8/2005
Status: offline

I have had that happen to me and let me share my mistake.

The good: I stopped the scene immediately and helped the person come out of his flashback.
We talked about.
We agreed he would go get some professional help before we'd scene again.

The bad: I didn't go with him and he was not in a state of mind to make the best decisions. The person who abused him was called and give power over him.

I have no excuse. I had been in therapy myself for a bit over a year dealing with my own childhood issues. I think I probably didn't feel strong enough to so directly help him.

He had forgiven me and I have forgiven myself.

Since then I have gone with anyone I was training who needed professional help and I have made sure they keep going or we don't scene again. I am not a therapist and I will not pretend to be one nor enable someone to ignore things they need to deal with.

_____________________________

Love, Peace, Hugs, Kisses, Whips & Chains,

TammyJo

Check out my website at http://www.thetammyjo.com Or www.tammyjoeckhart.com

And my LJ where I post fiction in progress if you "friend" me at http://thetammyjo.livejournal.com/

(in reply to Ayanaev717)

Post #: 5

RE: D/s & mental/emotional health - 7/1/2007 9:24:41 AM

LuckyAlbatross

Posts: 19224
Joined: 10/25/2005
Status: offline

Totally with TammyJo on this.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_517295/mpage_2/key_compulsive/tm.htm#517508
perfectionist

http://www.collarchat.com/m_300695/mpage_1/key_bipolar/tm.htm#300695
bipolar again

http://www.collarchat.com/m_211689/mpage_1/key_bipolar/tm.htm#211689
the bipolar sub

http://www.collarchat.com/m_43341/mpage_1/key_bipolar/tm.htm#43341
mental health, self esteem and the doms responsibility

http://www.collarchat.com/m_652730/mpage_1/key_depression/tm.htm#652730
severe depression in subs

http://www.collarchat.com/m_530004/mpage_1/key_depression/tm.htm#530004
depression

http://www.collarchat.com/m_514787/mpage_1/key_depression/tm.htm#514787
bdsm and bipolar (depression) issues - compatibility?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_507289/mpage_1/key_depression/tm.htm#507289
depression in your life and play

http://www.collarchat.com/m_391455/mpage_1/key_depression/tm.htm#391455
Depression (2)

http://www.collarchat.com/m_257934/mpage_1/key_depression/tm.htm#257934
submissives with issues

http://www.collarchat.com/m_190987/mpage_1/key_depression/tm.htm#190987
depression in the lifestyle

http://www.collarchat.com/m_161175/mpage_1/key_depression/tm.htm#161175
depression and dominance

_____________________________

Find stable partners, not a stable of partners.

"Sometimes my whore logic gets all fuzzy"- Californication

(in reply to Ayanaev717)

Post #: 6

RE: D/s & mental/emotional health - 7/1/2007 10:57:31 AM

CitizenCane

Posts: 349
Joined: 3/11/2005
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: slaveish

It's happened to me, the emotional break during a scene. My Sir stopped the play immediately, held me to him, let me have my freak out, and then told me that I was going to make an appointment with a therapist the next day.

I used to be drawn to abusers because of "old brain" psychology. I was trying to heal the past with people who reminded my old brain of my abusers - it was not something of which I was consciously aware. Our old brains do not understand the passage of time.

With therapy came liberation. With liberation from the past pain came the ability to form much healthier partnerships and friendships. Unless a Dom is a psychologist, I don't recommend "helping" from the armchair. My Sir was indeed a psychologist (I guess he still is) but he knew he was too close to the situation to be able to help.

Professional therapy is the ~only~ way out of those sorts of "heads", combined with the support and understanding of one's partner.

I want to add my vote to slaveish's regarding professional therapy. There are, of course, LOTS of bad therapists out there, but the one advantage they all have over a really excellent dom, even one with professional psycho-therapy training and experience, is that they are not personally wrapped up in the patient. This is incredibly important for both dom and sub in these situations. From the dom's perspective, it really truly is NOT what you know, either about psychology or your sub, that counts.
I will also say that I have stopped a scene, or some much more mundane activity, to deal with a suddenly triggered recall of past trauma many times, held, consoled and then talked through the issues (when possible- some trauma erupts over and over without it's causes becoming apparent). Let me assure you that this in itself in no way constitutes a 'cure' for many serious traumatic disorders. It may temporarily alleviate certain stresses, it may resolve particular issues (and transfer their energy to other issues), but this can give a false sense of 'progress' to both dom and sub. While such actions are good, caring actions and can help a person with trauma move toward resolution and healing, they aren't enough.

(in reply to slaveish)

Post #: 7

RE: D/s & mental/emotional health - 7/1/2007 11:02:50 AM

Celeste43

Posts: 3066
Joined: 2/4/2006
From: NYS
Status: offline

There's no difference from having to stop because of a physical problem or an emotional problem. You stop and you pay attention to the problem.

A numb leg doesn't need much more than untying it and rubbing it for a couple of minutes. If she falls off the wooden pony and sprains her leg, then she'll need more attention.

Some emotional triggers haven't needed much more than a quick discussion of what happened and a hug or two and others take several days to recover from.

In either case, physical or emotional, if the person becomes totally incapacitated you get them to doctor or the hospital and hand the problem over to someone who can handle it.

(in reply to CitizenCane)

Post #: 8

RE: D/s & mental/emotional health - 7/1/2007 11:03:36 AM

CitizenCane

Posts: 349
Joined: 3/11/2005
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: SirDominic

If you were to imagine a bound slave, helpless, squirming with her desires, and suddenly she is shaking and crying uncontrollably. It comes out of nowhere. Now notice what if feels like as the Dominant instantly stops the scene, unbinds the sub, and just cradles her in his arms. No words are necessary, just the knowledge that you are there for her, holding her close, so that she can feel so safe and secure. Protected. Eventually she will calm down, and you can talk about what happened. The more you are in control, her rock, the more she will be able to relax and the more she will feel compelled to open to you.

Namaste, Sir Dominic

p.s. I have defined submissive as female because of my orientation, but the same holds true for male submissives.

It would be great if it were that easy. Sometimes it is, but it's important for anyone going down this path to be aware that there a traumatic disorders with much deeper, more far reaching effects than bouts of traumatic recall. In cases of severe dissociation, for instance, any process that reveals and re-integrates the traumatic past will cause significant changes in operant personality. Many of these may not be to the liking of a dom, healthy for a relationship, or even healthy for the individual in the short term. Nevertheless, they are an unavoidable aspect of the healing process.
Above all, don't expect to be thanked for triggering and then comforting someone with deep trauma issues. You may be their hero, you may be the villain who brings back deeply buried pain. You may be both at once. In any event, there's no simple formula for healing deep trauma. If there were, the woods wouldn't be full of Viet Nam Vets.

(in reply to SirDominic)

Post #: 9

RE: D/s & mental/emotional health - 7/1/2007 11:34:00 AM

bliss1

Posts: 497
Joined: 3/14/2007
Status: offline

A submissive without baggage - is going to be diffiuclt to find. As many have already said - some of these tramas do not show up until late in life when the mind is ready to deal and heal.
It is a valuable Dom/me who can handle this and not say I am done!.

This can be said with Dom/me's also. Would any submissive walk away if their Dom/me had a flashback of an authority figure waving a strap over them?

_____________________________

Witch before, during, and after my coffee.

(in reply to CitizenCane)

Post #: 10

RE: D/s & mental/emotional health - 7/1/2007 12:55:50 PM

Shylahgirl

Posts: 167
Joined: 8/28/2006
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ayanaev717

I have spoken to several potential subs and I make it very clear that stability is essential to me. Not perfection, but at least a sense of emotional and mental well-being. That the sub is self-aware of themselves in the smallest way. I have gathered from my talks that some have a lot of emotional/mental baggage and may use D/s as a way to work through their issue without professional help.

I believe that D/s deals with a lot emotional and psychological adjustments already. So how do any of you deal with someone who has an emotional/ mental break in a scene? Or let's say has a flashback from childhood or becomes simply emotionally unstable during the relationship? What are some of the things that you have done to debrief the submissive or yourself?

Have any of you hung in a D/s relationship with Dom/Dommes or subs that you knew may have some emotional and mental health issues? And why? What did you gain?

I also would like to know if any of you believe that you can use D/s to help either yourself or others work through emotional/mental issues? Or you can trust that if they individual gets help- you work play in scene with them is safe.

Thanks for the responses.

Always,

A

BDSM can be therapeutic, but it is not therapy.

If you are meeting people who are looking to the D/s BDSM lifestyle as a form of thearapy, to avoid going to see a real professional, then I would suggest that you not get involved with that person.

Master's current girl #2 is someone that, in my view, needs therapy... And I have seen her break down just out of the blue. Not in a scene... just sitting there cuddling with Master and she flew into a crying fit.

She has angesiaty (I know I didn't spell that right),depression, and borderline personality disorder, caused by a lifetime of past mental and physical abuse from family and boyfriends.

In my view she needs professional help and medication... Master is currently working on getting her to see a doctor. Because of her problems she is paranoid of taking any form of pill, be it antidepressant or an aspirin.

We were not aware of the extent of her problems until she moved in with us.

Master has a comment to her, now that he has taken her on and started training her.

The way we deal with her, when she is in one of her "moods" is we basically talk her down. We hold her and tell her that every thing's ok. We show her that she's loved.

She hasn't flipped out in a scene yet... she's very random with her "moods".

Master and I are hanging in there because we are committed to her and Master sees something in her that gives him hope.

It's not my place to tell Master that she has to go.

I just help when it's asked for.

I personally have huge anger problems... I will allow her moods to effect me... I'm learning to deal with that.

With Master's help I have worked through some of my own emotional issues... but there is only so far anyone can go until you get the point where you are not equipped to help anymore. Like with the other girl... she needs medication to balance the chemicals in her brain, we may be getting to the point soon, where Master will have to insist that she see a doctor.

Taking on someone with past baggage is something that you have to think about before jumping into it. But if you feel you can help them... If you think it will be worth it in the long run, I say do it.

There are a lot of "broken" people in the lifestyle... sometimes you get lucky and find one that's less broken then most.

You won't find anyone, vanilla or kinky, that is the picture of mental or emotional health.

All you can really do is have an idea of what you are getting into, know how to talk someone down, and know when you've done all you can.

Knowing that you've done all you can isn't giving up on the person... you can still be involved with them, but it is the time when you should insist that they see a professional.

BDSM and D/s can be therapeutic, but it is not therapy.

Shylah

_____________________________

(in reply to Ayanaev717)

Post #: 11

RE: D/s & mental/emotional health - 7/1/2007 1:01:22 PM

Grlwithboy

Posts: 655
Joined: 2/8/2005
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: CitizenCane

quote:

ORIGINAL: SirDominic

If you were to imagine a bound slave, helpless, squirming with her desires, and suddenly she is shaking and crying uncontrollably. It comes out of nowhere. Now notice what if feels like as the Dominant instantly stops the scene, unbinds the sub, and just cradles her in his arms. No words are necessary, just the knowledge that you are there for her, holding her close, so that she can feel so safe and secure. Protected. Eventually she will calm down, and you can talk about what happened. The more you are in control, her rock, the more she will be able to relax and the more she will feel compelled to open to you.

Namaste, Sir Dominic

p.s. I have defined submissive as female because of my orientation, but the same holds true for male submissives.

It would be great if it were that easy. Sometimes it is, but it's important for anyone going down this path to be aware that there a traumatic disorders with much deeper, more far reaching effects than bouts of traumatic recall. In cases of severe dissociation, for instance, any process that reveals and re-integrates the traumatic past will cause significant changes in operant personality. Many of these may not be to the liking of a dom, healthy for a relationship, or even healthy for the individual in the short term. Nevertheless, they are an unavoidable aspect of the healing process.
Above all, don't expect to be thanked for triggering and then comforting someone with deep trauma issues. You may be their hero, you may be the villain who brings back deeply buried pain. You may be both at once. In any event, there's no simple formula for healing deep trauma. If there were, the woods wouldn't be full of Viet Nam Vets.

And in some cases doing the above is the ultimate cruelty.

I have been with people who MUST be pushed through, who came to me *because* they knew they'd be pushed through, who have talked to me and talked to me about *wanting* to be pushed through. If I don't have the intestinal fortitude to do what's needed and not what's comfortable for me, I'm not ready to play with trauma at someone's request or when it might arise with certain people.

This shit can be super duper ugly and healthy at times. Romantic savior notions have no place in certain kinds of scenes.

I will say that I in NO way see what I'm doing in these cases as therapy - therapeutic, cathartic, yes. I don't think there's anything wrong at all through seeking catharsis and comfort in SM, but only as a sideline to working with professionals and without the little brain involved too.

< Message edited by Grlwithboy -- 7/1/2007 1:05:00 PM >

(in reply to CitizenCane)

Post #: 12

RE: D/s & mental/emotional health - 7/1/2007 1:33:43 PM

Ayanaev717

Posts: 72
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: bliss1

A submissive without baggage - is going to be diffiuclt to find. As many have already said - some of these tramas do not show up until late in life when the mind is ready to deal and heal.

I do agree that, no matter who you choose to have a relationship with there will be some baggage. I am more concerned with the BIG BAGGAGE. Again, if someone has a lot of issues I would at least like for my sub to talk to me about it. To be open about it and then do something about it- if there is something needed to do.

Thanks for your response.

(in reply to bliss1)

Post #: 13

RE: D/s & mental/emotional health - 7/1/2007 2:06:23 PM

Rover

Posts: 2634
Joined: 6/28/2004
Status: offline

Getting beyond the scene related issues, which have been well covered... a word of caution....

Dominants can find themselves attracted to submissives/slaves that need to be "rescued", in the mistaken belief that their guidance can bring some semblance of order to their (seriously) broken lives, and that the grateful submissive/slave will be so thankful and reliant upon them that the relationship will be all roses, rainbows and unicorns.

Similarly, submissives/slaves can be attracted to Dominants in the mistaken belief that their lives can be "fixed" if only they had someone's guidance.

If you haven't had a relationship like this, just wait... you will. They always turn out disastrous. And you'll think that you're the exception. And you're not.

John

< Message edited by Rover -- 7/1/2007 2:10:25 PM >

_____________________________

"Man's mind stretched to a new idea never goes back to its original dimensions."

Sri da Avabhas

(in reply to Ayanaev717)

Post #: 14

RE: D/s & mental/emotional health - 7/1/2007 2:14:12 PM

bandit25

Posts: 3029
Joined: 6/18/2005
Status: offline

This is an endlessly fascinating subject to me. I suppose, like everyone else, I'm not the picture of mental health, but I don't have any "known" issues; however, I have read time and again of subs and doms that are bipolar, have anxiety attacks, doms that want to "fix" subs (I've gotten those emails), subs that want to be "fixed". In fact, I've sometimes gotten the idea that there's something wrong with me because there's nothing wrong with me!

(in reply to Rover)

Post #: 15

RE: D/s & mental/emotional health - 7/1/2007 3:10:30 PM

CitizenCane

Posts: 349
Joined: 3/11/2005
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: bandit25

This is an endlessly fascinating subject to me. I suppose, like everyone else, I'm not the picture of mental health, but I don't have any "known" issues; however, I have read time and again of subs and doms that are bipolar, have anxiety attacks, doms that want to "fix" subs (I've gotten those emails), subs that want to be "fixed". In fact, I've sometimes gotten the idea that there's something wrong with me because there's nothing wrong with me!

You're just in denial. But I can help you with that.

< Message edited by CitizenCane -- 7/1/2007 3:11:14 PM >

(in reply to bandit25)

Post #: 16

RE: D/s & mental/emotional health - 7/1/2007 3:17:28 PM

RaynaSub

Posts: 185
Joined: 9/3/2006
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rover

Getting beyond the scene related issues, which have been well covered... a word of caution....

Dominants can find themselves attracted to submissives/slaves that need to be "rescued", in the mistaken belief that their guidance can bring some semblance of order to their (seriously) broken lives, and that the grateful submissive/slave will be so thankful and reliant upon them that the relationship will be all roses, rainbows and unicorns.

Similarly, submissives/slaves can be attracted to Dominants in the mistaken belief that their lives can be "fixed" if only they had someone's guidance.

If you haven't had a relationship like this, just wait... you will. They always turn out disastrous. And you'll think that you're the exception. And you're not.

John

I agree with John on this one.
There is not substitue for getting to know someone well and understanding
that everyone has baggage.

(in reply to Rover)

Post #: 17

RE: D/s & mental/emotional health - 7/1/2007 4:32:31 PM

SirDominic

Posts: 711
Joined: 11/22/2006
Status: offline

CC, I agree with everything you said.

As I pointed out earlier in my post, I have no formal training in therapy, so I always keep my limitations in mind. If someone has an issue that needs professional help, I'm not going to attempt to meddle. I care too much about the women I have been with to play with fire in this way.

What I was talking about was if something suddenly comes up in a scene, quite unexpected by either party. Keeping myself calm, caring and supportive is the best way I know of to diffuse the situation at that particular moment.

Namaste, Sir Dominic

_____________________________

You teach best what you have lived.

(in reply to CitizenCane)

Post #: 18

RE: D/s & mental/emotional health - 7/1/2007 4:41:22 PM

darchChylde

Posts: 5279
Joined: 9/28/2006
From: Warm Springs, GA but i live in San Francisco.
Status: offline

i may not be as emotionally stable as i was before Ma'am, but that stability was due to the fact that i refused to acknowledge emotion... Ma'am and the rest of our family have helped me work through my emotional barriers, the work is far from over but there is definitive improvement... now i have many issues with controlling my emotions instead of them controlling me, when Ma'am is supposed to be the one to control me; but there is no denying that i am much farther along than i would be otherwise

my Ds relationship is responsible for every step i've taken towards emotional health

_____________________________

I'm the man your mother warned you about...
if only to keep me to herself.

I'm a male dominant switch whose experienced as a poly sub to a dominant woman
.
Where the fuck do I post?

Proud Owner and Protector of chyldeschylde.

(in reply to SirDominic)

Post #: 19

RE: D/s & mental/emotional health - 7/1/2007 7:48:21 PM

Ayanaev717

Posts: 72
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: SirDominic

CC, I agree with everything you said.

As I pointed out earlier in my post, I have no formal training in therapy, so I always keep my limitations in mind. If someone has an issue that needs professional help, I'm not going to attempt to meddle. I care too much about the women I have been with to play with fire in this way.

Namaste, Sir Dominic

I also agree that we should be cautious and not cross over boundaries. We should be aware that whatever is going on with the individual whether they be Domme or sub, that we know when to debrief and when to refer to someone else. For me that is the greatest ethical issue.

A

(in reply to SirDominic)

Post #: 20

Page: [1] 2 next > >>

All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> General BDSM Discussion >> D/s & mental/emotional health

Page: [1] 2 next > >>

Jump to:

New Messages	No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages	Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages	Locked w/o New Messages

Post New Thread

Reply to Message

Post New Poll

Submit Vote

Delete My Own Post

Delete My Own Thread

Rate Posts

Collarchat.com © 2025

Terms of Service

0.266