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pashun8flame -> Ritual D/s (7/1/2007 3:24:48 PM)

where can i find out more about what is meant by ritual D/s is? a submissive friend of mine told me they were interested in it and i don't have a clue what they are into... could someone please help me to understand it?




swtnsparkling -> RE: Ritual D/s (7/1/2007 3:30:39 PM)

Chamber
RITUALS
Presentation
Ritual - Formal or customarily repeated act or series of actions...
Ritual's are most often associated with religious faith's or belief's but in actuality they exist throughout our daily lives under other names. Some are habits, some are routines or duties.

http://www.steel-door.com/rituals.htm

[Mod Note:  Please don't paste copyrighted works here in their entirety] 




Rover -> RE: Ritual D/s (7/1/2007 3:35:11 PM)

Presumably they're referring to rituals or ceremonies/customs/protocols that they've incorporated into their lives.  Most relationships have them (vanilla, D/s, etc.) whether they realize it or not.  But in the case of power exchange relationships, they tend to be deliberate, and with specific purposes (ie: reinforcing the power exchange itself, transitioning from authority in the workplace to submission at home, etc.).
 
I'm not aware of any specific "list" of rituals, but given that this is the internet I wouldn't be surprised if one existed somewhere.  I'm generally not a fan of adopting what appeals to someone else, and suggest that you create and adopt what appeals to you.  Let them become more, or less, elaborate over time to suit your needs.
 
John




Rover -> RE: Ritual D/s (7/1/2007 3:38:26 PM)

Just an FYI...
 
This is copyrighted material, and you should really post a link to it rather than copy and paste it entirely (unless you have their explicit permission to do so).  It's acceptable to paste specific portions of someone's work in a limited fashion as part of a larger discussion.
 
John




MadRabbit -> RE: Ritual D/s (7/1/2007 4:15:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: pashun8flame

where can i find out more about what is meant by ritual D/s is? a submissive friend of mine told me they were interested in it and i don't have a clue what they are into... could someone please help me to understand it?


Unfortanely, its not something thats general.

Rituals, like all other aspects of the relationship, are individualized to fit the relationship.

A protocol in a M/S relationship would essentially be a guideline. Its the "how we do things". For example, a protocol might be "Have my coffee brewed everyday by 8am with this much sugar and cream." or "Wear this type of attire when we go out to a formal dinner."

A ritual, on the other hand, would be something that isnt essential to the everyday life, but is there to reinforce the mental and spirtual aspect of the relationship.

For example, wearing a slave collar would be considered a ritual. Is it is something essential to normal life like the above protocols? No, but its there as a reminder of the power exchange and the nature of the relationship.

Another example would be a ritual one of my friends practices with his slave. Everyday after work, they go in private away from their children and she kneels down and kiisses his feet. Is it essential to the relationship? Not really, but its a ritual they do to help restablish the emotional connection between them that gets toned down during the stress of the work day.






ready4srvce4all -> RE: Ritual D/s (7/1/2007 4:57:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Rover

Just an FYI...
 
This is copyrighted material, and you should really post a link to it rather than copy and paste it entirely (unless you have their explicit permission to do so).  It's acceptable to paste specific portions of someone's work in a limited fashion as part of a larger discussion.
 
John


looks to me like the word chamber was a link or no?




Inhibitor -> RE: Ritual D/s (7/1/2007 5:27:02 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rover

Just an FYI...
 
This is copyrighted material, and you should really post a link to it rather than copy and paste it entirely (unless you have their explicit permission to do so).  It's acceptable to paste specific portions of someone's work in a limited fashion as part of a larger discussion.
 
John


Who died and made you arbiter?

Anyway, as to the topic, I gather "Ritual D/s" would be a colloquialism employed by your friend to mean that s/he's read quite a bit of neurotic rulesets and doesn't fully understand them. Under the guise of being "in the know," of course.

Describe any act of bdsm that couldn't forseeably be defined or interpreted as "ritualistic." Yee-ah.




MagiksSlave -> RE: Ritual D/s (7/1/2007 5:42:23 PM)

Why dont you just ask her??? She would have more of a clue what she ment by it then anyone els!!


Magik's slave




Rover -> RE: Ritual D/s (7/1/2007 5:50:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ready4srvce4all

looks to me like the word chamber was a link or no?


The issue is that no one has the right to reproduce the material, since it's copyrighted.  The fact that the article was reproduced in its entirety (or in large part) makes the link meaningless.  It's intellectual property, owned by the author.
 
John




Rover -> RE: Ritual D/s (7/1/2007 5:54:18 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Inhibitor

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rover

Just an FYI...
 
This is copyrighted material, and you should really post a link to it rather than copy and paste it entirely (unless you have their explicit permission to do so).  It's acceptable to paste specific portions of someone's work in a limited fashion as part of a larger discussion.
 
John


Who died and made you arbiter?


I'm not the arbiter... the US Copyright Office and courts are.  I'm just someone who has a vested interest in intellectual property rights (I'm a published author) who was passing along some information for everyone's benefit (well, perhaps not yours?).
 
You might check back in a day or so to see for yourself that the post in question has been "truncated" (shortened) by the moderators so as to be in compliance with copyright law. 
 
John




Inhibitor -> RE: Ritual D/s (7/1/2007 6:12:19 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rover

I'm not the arbiter... the US Copyright Office and courts are.  I'm just someone who has a vested interest in intellectual property rights (I'm a published author) who was passing along some information for everyone's benefit (well, perhaps not yours?).
 
You might check back in a day or so to see for yourself that the post in question has been "truncated" (shortened) by the moderators so as to be in compliance with copyright law. 
 
John


Mhm. I'm just slightly intolerant of ridiculous laws and public policemen. I've a vested interest, being an individual. By the way, passing information along usually isn't acceptable in the form of shoulds and musts. That's more like, say, demands, than knowledge. You should rephrase it. :)





julietsierra -> RE: Ritual D/s (7/1/2007 10:47:37 PM)

It's been truncated. I'd say that makes the information regarding copyright law pretty acceptable - whether it was said in the form of shoulds or musts or perhaps you should think abouts...

Suggesting that someone rephrase their words simply because you in all your vested interest as an individual don't like how he said it is kind of moot. They're his words to use as he pleases.

And when something's been copyrighted - whether you like it or not, whether you think it's appropriate or not, whether you think it's silly or not, no one else has the legal right to use those words as their own. Since this seems a difficult concept for you, I'll give you the analogy I once used.

"Honey, when you use someone else's words without giving them credit it's like someone walked into your garage and took your bike because afterall, they saw you riding it and it seemed just right for them, so they figured you wouldn't mind if they took yours to use for a while."

The person I used that with understood exactly what that meant when it came to his writing. He was 10 at the time. Today he's 23. It's the same analogy he uses with his college classmates who tell him "oh, no one will ever know."

He learned. For some reason, whether he's 10 or 23, it doesn't seem such a silly law to him. And since you like to talk in niceties.. perhaps you should rethink your stance on intellectual theft. If the same idea occurs to you as has been expressed by someone else, I'd think you'd have the ability to express your own thoughts without stealing someone else's way of saying it.

juliet




ErusUxor -> RE: Ritual D/s (7/1/2007 11:16:08 PM)

LOL....I can't help but like you from your post...




Inhibitor -> RE: Ritual D/s (7/2/2007 12:48:27 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: julietsierra

It's been truncated. I'd say that makes the information regarding copyright law pretty acceptable - whether it was said in the form of shoulds or musts or perhaps you should think abouts...



It's been truncated because a moderator was alerted to the post. Whether it would have been, naturally, is speculative, but regardless. The reasoning that a rule (or the promulgation of one) is acceptable on the sole merit that it is enforced is frightening.

quote:


Suggesting that someone rephrase their words simply because you in all your vested interest as an individual don't like how he said it is kind of moot. They're his words to use as he pleases.


I suggested he rephrase based on the comment that he wanted to pass along information. Whether I liked how he said it was never stated. Whether he understands what he's saying, is apparently an issue. They're his words to use, as mine are mine, and yours are yours. I see no conflict.

quote:


And when something's been copyrighted - whether you like it or not, whether you think it's appropriate or not, whether you think it's silly or not, no one else has the legal right to use those words as their own. Since this seems a difficult concept for you, I'll give you the analogy I once used.


Mkay. You'd note, if you'd seen the pre-truncated post, that the article was not represented as having been written by anyone other than the original author. The copyright data was included. The issue indeed is whether someone has the *legal* right to write something that was written by someone else previously. However, a relevant action did not occur in this thread, similar to how Rover is neither a moderator nor a magistrate.

quote:


"Honey, when you use someone else's words without giving them credit it's like someone walked into your garage and took your bike because afterall, they saw you riding it and it seemed just right for them, so they figured you wouldn't mind if they took yours to use for a while."


Unlike physical objects, the same word can exist in more than one place. The analogy would be apt if someone saw a bike and went home to replicate it, and showed up at the playground the next day with his copycat. You'll note this isn't stealing. Whether or not kid throws a hissy fit and cries.

Bikes are purchased, and can be owned by people. Thoughts and words are intangible mechanisms of communication, and while it's nice if an originator is credited, it is ludicrous to presume that if I say cupcakes are tasty first, I own the idea, and the phrase, and someone is being at all nefarious if they say it, too. Passing a book off as one's own, when it's not, is one thing. Telling someone they're bad because they copy pasted an article, even going so far as to include the author's name and the original text in its entirety, is another. If the site doesn't like it, the site moderators can control it. Caput.

quote:


He learned. For some reason, whether he's 10 or 23, it doesn't seem such a silly law to him. And since you like to talk in niceties.. perhaps you should rethink your stance on intellectual theft. If the same idea occurs to you as has been expressed by someone else, I'd think you'd have the ability to express your own thoughts without stealing someone else's way of saying it.


Most likely, he doesn't think it's such a silly law because he's been told how he should think about it by esteemed members of upstanding society like yourself. Seriously.
The very crux is that copyright legislation has more to do with protecting ego and marketing than "property." As exemplified in how no one claimed anyone else's ideas or words as their own, in this thread, and yet somehow Teh Lawz must stroked.

quote:


juliet


Nice to meet you.




swtnsparkling -> RE: Ritual D/s (7/2/2007 2:14:45 AM)

quote:

looks to me like the word chamber was a link or no?


Yes CHAMBER  was the link and it did have who was the owner of the article at the bottom.
However It was my mistake posting the entire thing- Mod11 corrected it. Thank you




Rover -> RE: Ritual D/s (7/2/2007 4:51:05 AM)

First of all, the reprinted article wasn't truncated because the moderators were alerted to it.  They do a fine job of monitoring that all by themselves.  And they certainly did not do so because of me, as I am not exactly one of their "favorites" (ie: they dislike me intensely).
 
It's not allowable to reproduce (ie: copy) someone else's work, regardless of whether you include the author's name and the copyright (many works are covered by copyright law, even if they don't indicate that they are).  The author alone has the right to determine when and where their work may appear, and may even have contractural obligations that it appear in a single media and/or outlet. 
 
A repreduction of it not only robs the author of the right to sell their work to whom they wish and for it to appear only where they choose, but it may also infringe upon the rights of anyone that has purchased the right to print that work.  In the case of Mallory (Mistress Steel), her website likely generates some revenue from the companies that advertise there, and that revenue is predicated upon the number of hits her website receives in a given month.  Reprinting the article, rather than providing a link to her website to read it, is literal theft... it takes money out of her pocket.
 
But the issue is not limited solely to items for which money is exchanged.  What people create has value beyond cash.  It's their property.
 
Seriously, intellectual property rights aren't a difficult concept nor a confusing law.  When confronted with new information (as this is all obviously quite new to you), you have several choices:
 
1.  Learn something from someone who knows more than you do about that particular topic.
 
2.  Do your own research to inform yourself.  You're already on a computer, and it's easy to do.  Ask for relevant links if you don't know how.
 
3.  Argue with all the certainty that youth and ignorance of the topic can summon.
 
It's a free country... make your own choices.
 
John




Rover -> RE: Ritual D/s (7/2/2007 4:58:16 AM)

No need to apologize, swt.  The only reason I made a posting in the first place was to use this as an opportunity to inform all those that might be reading the thread.  No one would imply any malice on your part.
 
John




MadRabbit -> RE: Ritual D/s (7/2/2007 5:10:01 AM)

Apparently another D/S ritual is copyright violation and its discussion...




RCdc -> RE: Ritual D/s (7/2/2007 5:30:01 AM)

End of the day, why are you participating on a forum if you don't like the rules and TOS?
If you find the rules 'ridiculous' then don't visit.  Would you walk into someones house or country and ignore their laws and customs without expecting you might just be arrested/thrown out/asked to leave?  The moderators are our gods here - and they wrote the TOS - deal with it.
 
Peace
the.dark.




Cloudz -> RE: Ritual D/s (7/2/2007 6:13:57 AM)

<sigh> another thread hijacked...

To the OP, hope you found the information you were looking for.




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