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RE: Non sexual punishments - 7/5/2005 8:29:00 PM

SirDiscipliner69

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What about the relationship between the discovery of new synthetic materials and the endangerment/lack of compared to use of leather....

relate this to the explotaion of third world labor and the potential concequences in the next decade... ;)

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RE: Non sexual punishments - 7/5/2005 8:57:43 PM

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I'm wondering if there may not be times or people for which it could be nearly impossible to find a punishment that would not be perceived as non-sexual?

Couldn't being assigned a mundane task one dislikes or being deprived of something be viewed as not being a punishment by someone who derives sexual pleasure in deep servitude or doing anything requested of them by their master?

Another possible example would be the use of physical punishment on a real pain slut. It is possible that any physical form of correction that would be viewed as punishment by the "punishee" would have to be so extreme that the dominant may find it abhorrent?

I realize that both examples are pretty extreme so I'm just throwing them out there as food for thought.

(No, I don't fall into either category but am closer to the second than the first.

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As for me, what many people would label as punishment doesn't work on me. This includes those that are physical, sexual or mental in nature. Physical and some mental (non-sexual) types of punishment send me right back to bad memories of childhood and can leading to unexpected reactions and outcomes far different from that which was expected. I can also be passive aggressive, which I admit it's not a very nice personality trait, and can end up stewing rather than contemplating what I did wrong and how to keep from doing it again.

For those I respect and hold in affection, keeping me in line is a simple matter of giving me a warning look or a softly spoken word. I have the ability to laugh at myself so making rather gentle fun of what I have done generally works as well.

Edited to include an answer along with the bratty theoretical stuff.

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RE: Non sexual punishments - 7/5/2005 9:13:27 PM

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What about the relationship between the discovery of new synthetic materials and the endangerment/lack of compared to use of leather....

relate this to the explotaion of third world labor and the potential concequences in the next decade... ;)

Was that meant for me?

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RE: Non sexual punishments - 7/6/2005 4:29:12 AM

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Couldn't being assigned a mundane task one dislikes or being deprived of something be viewed as not being a punishment by someone who derives sexual pleasure in deep servitude or doing anything requested of them by their master?

That's why I said that I prefered to take away that particular activity. If they have that need to submit, to serve, to do even the most mundane tasks and derive a sense of pleasure from it. as punishment I will take that away. They will not be allowed to serve or submit in any way. They will be allowed to only watch as I "serve" myself, as I take care of the things they found joy in doing. They will be treated no differently then one of our 'nilla friends would be.

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RE: Non sexual punishments - 7/7/2005 2:37:24 AM

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Washing walls might be such a suited task....not very challenging mentally but it allows them to consider their waywardness while scrubbing...

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RE: Non sexual punishments - 7/7/2005 3:08:12 AM

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the worst punishment I can find works for me, is denying the girl that which she wants the most, the attention. either be it put in a room for time out, tied up and left alone for a bit in a closet, or just ignoring her completely while forcing her to do a task. it gets the point across "you displeased me"

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RE: Non sexual punishments - 7/9/2005 12:40:44 AM

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What about the relationship between the discovery of new synthetic materials and the endangerment/lack of compared to use of leather....

relate this to the explotaion of third world labor and the potential concequences in the next decade... ;)

Well actually I donote money to a charity that supports the third world.

Answer to part A go here. http://www.ruralheritage.com/tack_room/synthetic.htm
http://terrapax.com/about.html
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Environment/Space_LD.html
Answer to part B go here. http://www.eiro.eurofound.eu.int/1997/04/inbrief/it9704107n.html

The background to the inititiative in the leather and suede sector is the widespread exploitation of the workforce (including minors) in several "third world" and "developing" countries, despite the existence of international conventions against such practices. Moreover, in "developed world" countries there are areas in which "undeclared" work, outside contractual and social security guarantees, is widely practised, above all in small firms. As well as being ethically reprehensible, this behaviour also disrupts free competition.

Quoted from website http://www.eiro.eurofound.eu.int/1997/04/inbrief/it9704107n.html.

I belive this answers the questions. Probabley could be better but its just to show I have a wide range of interests. Also in real life id not put in links id copy and paste etc. Also all Libarys have the internet so if you did not want the Submissive to use the net you should of stated :P

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RE: Non sexual punishments - 7/9/2005 4:11:08 AM

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not very challenging mentally but it allows them to consider their waywardness while scrubbing...

Ah, well, if it is to make them do some serious thinking.... Well, we have an arch in our room that seperates my dressing area from the rest of the room. In my dressing area I have my dresser (which has a large mirror on it) and my vanity (which also has a large mirror on it) and they are stood naked, spread eagle and bound to the arch, all the lights on, facing the mirrors. Then I/we go about doing what ever it was we were doing, leaving them there to consider their "position", both physically and mentally, in this home. It's difficult to view yourself as "rebelious" when you are faced (literally) with your own helplessness. Little else to do but think.

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RE: Non sexual punishments - 7/9/2005 7:01:44 AM

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I agree with several here that have said the punishment must fit the crime. If I purposely do something wrong or am just extremely fussy to a point where it's a problem it's one thing and certain punishments will work just fine. Ignoring me is for the most part the best way to bring me back to where I should be. There have been a couple of times though that being ignored just made things worse due to my irish stubborn streak.

But, if I really do something wrong (i.e. forget to do something I should have done, not perform a task to the best of my ability becauase I got lazy or rushed, etc.) a good lecture will many times be enough because I come down so hard on myself. It's impossible for him to punish me any worse than I do then. His disapproving tone while lecturing only intensifies what I do to myself during these times.

That's not to say, however, that I haven't also had punishments to go along with the lectures and what I do to myself. I've been made to write long essays of what it was I did wrong, why it happened, how I expect to not let it happen again, why does my dominant not like it when it happens, etc. These essays can get quite long and it's a length of time where all I'm doing is thinking of how I had displeased him, which for a sub is crushing.

I've also had some minor punishments that worked well too. There are movies that I detest and a former Dom for punishment made me watch them with him. During a period of a week, the only tv I could watch would be if I were watching one of these movies I hate. This can be so torturous.

I know that's only a couple but most others that have worked on me were already mentioned on this thread.

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RE: Non sexual punishments - 7/9/2005 11:16:49 AM

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Hmmmmmmmmmm. Watching reruns of the Brady Bunch, over and over and over again all week. Anyone would never want to be punished again. <evil snikering>

Taking away of those things that a person enjoys doing is a great idea. And I do agree that the punishment must fit the crime. The arch and the mirrors could be a neat trick.

But I also read somewhere that a woman got frisky with her husband in a car. He striped her, tied her up and used vibrators on her. Then he pulled into a busy gas station/mart turned the vibes way up and turned on the car alarm and went inside. For the non-exibitionist this could be a living hell. I would prefer walking her nude, leashed, and in heels around the neighborhood at night. True we may not be seen, but the chance is always there.

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RE: Non sexual punishments - 7/11/2005 9:37:26 PM

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As with so much in life, it all depends...

My sub is best punished when I look her in the eye and quietly tell her how she disappointed me. Then just looking at her, letting her soak in the disappointment. Asking her how she intends to act in the future...

I have also made her go to wal-mart and purchase white granny panties and the ugliest damn bra they have, then make her wear them... desexualizing her for a while...

I have physically punished her by a harsh spanking with intent to cause pain, rather than give her pleasure. None of them is fun to do .... I've been happy that real punishment has only been necessary 3 or 4 times in 5 years.

One of my favorite authors (Heinlein) did a story in which a sergeant in the army got thoroughly chewed out because one of his privates got in trouble for striking the sergeant. The officer in charge pointed out that the sergeant should have never allowed the private to get himself in trouble. It may be worthwhile to examine your actions if frequent real punishment is necessary. (No, I don't necessarily believe that the Dom is wrong becasue the sub needs punishment)

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RE: Non sexual punishments - 7/11/2005 10:14:13 PM

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Hmmmmmmmmmm. Watching reruns of the Brady Bunch, over and over and over again all week. Anyone would never want to be punished again. <evil snikering>

Whats wrong with the brady bunch? I enjoy that show..

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RE: Non sexual punishments - 7/12/2005 11:25:54 AM

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in celebration of my 50th post, id like to ask for Your favorite non sexual punishments please?

Lord of the Rings marathon... with her rubbing.

If I'm just evil, I tie her down and put on SouthPark. She hates that :)

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RE: Non sexual punishments - 7/12/2005 4:49:25 PM

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The best punisment for a submissive/slave is simply to ignore them, tell them go go away and leave you be for however long you decide. It hurts the most and will make them remember what they did.

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RE: Non sexual punishments - 7/12/2005 4:55:20 PM

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Hmmmmmmmmmm. Watching reruns of the Brady Bunch, over and over and over again all week. Anyone would never want to be punished again. <evil snikering>

Whats wrong with the brady bunch? I enjoy that show..

I used to like it too. But think about it, watch it over and over and over all week. Put me in front of my favorite movie (Super Troopers) all week and I will want to gouge out my eyeballs and put dynamite in my ears. I just knew somebody would hate the Brady Bunch comment............no intent to offend, only an example.

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RE: Non sexual punishments - 7/12/2005 5:01:53 PM

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Brady bunch would suck dearly, would have to fand a way to off myself

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RE: Non sexual punishments - 7/13/2005 5:49:51 PM

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