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Sinergy -> RE: Not For The Easily Offended (7/9/2007 9:49:48 AM)

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ORIGINAL: domiguy

That makes all blacks equally culpable?....Idiotic reasoning.  Here you are trying to blame blacks equally for the cause of slavery in this country.



Is the reasoning that all whites are equally culpable idiotic as well?

When I hear people accusing whites of slavery, I think to myself "what I do?"

I am more than happy if people are proud of their heritage.  What I cannot stand are those
who refuse to bury their armies and move forward into their future.

The historical inequities and conditions various racial groups are forced to live is a different thread, I think.

Sinergy

p.s.  Regarding tribal affiliation, the only one I really identify with are Norse Vikings, which is half my ancestry.  Sail south in boats, steal women and cows and bring them to live in the frosty north and bear strong sons and daughters.



farglebargle -> RE: Not For The Easily Offended (7/9/2007 9:51:57 AM)

This is very common, when you focus on artificial distinctions, rather than the only one which matters.

a) The Man.

b) Us Niggers.

And if you're not The Man, to them, you are just another nigger.





Eruditus -> RE: Not For The Easily Offended (7/9/2007 9:53:30 AM)

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ORIGINAL: CrimsonMoan

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ORIGINAL: Eruditus

You present yourself as black with your avatar. Have some balls, dude. Show your face.

I'm editing this comment to clarify thay I was recommending "domiguy" show his face.


Hey just because you have your picture up doesn't mean we all havve to. Secondly if you can take the picture of a dead black rapper and assume the person using it as an avatar as black that makes you a racist in thinking. i know plenty of white people who love tupac



Emphasis mine. What bothers me is the lack of understanding as to what--exactly--a racist is. Please explain how disliking Tupac is racism? First, let me just cinch my "racist" status by professing a vast hatred of rap music. Not only is it childish and stupid, but it has a stultefying effect on the listener. But how does that make me a racist?

Also, why am I racist? Because I assumed this guy was black because he used a picture of a black man to represent himself?

Where does this irresponsible labelling stop? Am I racist if I profess an aversion to collard greens? Am I racist if I profess an aversion to sports?

This is a vital question. If we want to improve race relations, then we must use precise terms, as I've stated on one of my earlier posts. The term "racist" is imprecise. It's misleading.

And it's also irresponsible to thoughtlessly throw that term around.



BOUNTYHUNTER -> RE: Not For The Easily Offended (7/9/2007 9:55:05 AM)

For crying out loud, domi let all of you assume he was black,not honest but those that checked his profile knew the difference,here domi another brownie for you, just found fresh @ CH smiles...



GhitaAmati -> RE: Not For The Easily Offended (7/9/2007 9:55:05 AM)

I have to admit..I assumed Domiguy was black too...sorry...truth be told, it wasnt until you all started talking about it that I even knew who that was a picture of...honestly I thought it was domiguy, seeing as how most people here dont put up pictures of other people, and I wouldnt have recognized tupac's picture without yall mentioning his name.

Whatever "side" people decide to be on comes from life experiances. Mixed in with all the blatent anger and insults, everyone on this thread has at some point said something I agreed with. That goes for Domiguy and Eruditus both. I have my reasons for fearing blacks, and yes I will honestly say it is fear. Im not going to try and start a war with "ive been discriminated on worse than you" because I know honestly, in the grand sceme of things, more white people have been creul to minorities than the minorities have been to us. Nor will I say that its right for anyone to do it. I will stand up and say I am proud of my heritage. Sure my ancestors might have done some things that I am not proud of, but that doesnt make me any less proud of who I am today. And I am who I am "because" of my ancestors.

I have spent years of my life, with my husband overseas fighting under a commanding officer who got up in front of his entire unit and told all of them and their families that he didnt give a shit about his white soldiers and he was going to do everything he could in Iraq to make sure they were in the high risk situations and not his black soldiers because the white soldiers were useless peices of shit. When complaints were filed, the next ranking officials who all happened to be black too, said we were being racist because we didnt want our husbands fighting for a black man. No..I had no problem with my husband fighting next to a black man....my problem was with one specific black man. But because we complained about him, we were all racist nazis. Everytime my husband gets orders to go overseas, I am in horrified fear that he will get killed just because his CO hates white people. That is a very real fear I have to live with every day of my life. Because of that fear I will admit it has led me to be leary of other blacks, sorry Domiguy..I know you feel "sorry for me because of my stupidity" but if being in fear of my husbands life is stupid, so be it.



Eruditus -> RE: Not For The Easily Offended (7/9/2007 9:55:49 AM)

I think farglebargle has a good point. I think the source of most racial tensions comes from class, not ethnicity. I think most "racial" problems stem from differences in class, not ethnicity. And I think the much-touted Powers That Be are very happy to let us continue quibbling over superficial questions of race, as opposed to getting down to the real meat of the problem, which is the difference between classes.



Eruditus -> RE: Not For The Easily Offended (7/9/2007 9:59:06 AM)

domiguy would probably be very pleased to have been confused for black, as he is obviously a white person who hates himself. Excuse me, has been made to hate himself.



BOUNTYHUNTER -> RE: Not For The Easily Offended (7/9/2007 10:01:36 AM)

YOU may have some thing there...Any race doesn't have to be defend from the other,each has their own champions...What does it really matter? IN 20 years we all are going to become blended,,,20 years I"LL be 80 I hope, then tooo old to give a shit...bounty 



Eruditus -> RE: Not For The Easily Offended (7/9/2007 10:01:41 AM)

And Sinergy: domiguy used my comments out of context. Actually, he misused my comment. He didn't read properly. Probably he got angry and that impacted his ability to think clearly. My point is that to understand what domiguy meant when he wrote that, you'd have to have read the roots of the post, which go back a ways.



ModeratorEleven -> RE: Not For The Easily Offended (7/9/2007 10:03:21 AM)

Folks, chill out please.

XI



Eruditus -> RE: Not For The Easily Offended (7/9/2007 10:05:12 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BOUNTYHUNTER

YOU may have some thing there...Any race doesn't have to be defend from the other,each has their own champions...What does it really matter? IN 20 years we all are going to become blended,,,20 years I"LL be 80 I hope, then tooo old to give a shit...bounty 


I'm pretty sure it will take longer than twenty years, and I'm not so sure that blending will happen at all.

Why should it? As I've said before, every other minority group is applauded when they show concern for the purity of their racial stock...not so for whites. If a white person expresses the opinion that he or she doesn't want to become miscegenated with blacks or hispanics, then that white person is automatically foul.

Is this fair? Why the double standard? My function in these posts is to elucidate several important double standards which must be resolved if we're to have any sort of racial unity in America.

I for one will resist miscegenation. Having white children will save our race.

But first we must all come to the agreement that saving our race is an okay thing to do. We haven't gotten there yet.

If I have my say, we will.



GhitaAmati -> RE: Not For The Easily Offended (7/9/2007 10:05:25 AM)

lol....we've been warned...I wondered how far this thread would be allowed to go



CrimsonMoan -> RE: Not For The Easily Offended (7/9/2007 10:05:48 AM)

you know what eru i said it was racist to assume someone's race based off an avatar that features the picture of a black man. its an avatar last time i checked our avatars were things we liked or loved. 



KMsAngel -> RE: Not For The Easily Offended (7/9/2007 10:07:18 AM)

ah sweetheart, do you have any idea how elitist you sound in this last comment? and the comment about classes? mmm yeah, what you're sounding like is you come from a university educated, liberal arts background. how do i know? because i'm going to uni too, i hear it spouted. and i hope to god i never sound like you. very derogatory. at 31, I'd have thought you would have grown out of it by now.



GhitaAmati -> RE: Not For The Easily Offended (7/9/2007 10:08:43 AM)

But what about those of us who had no idea what tupac looked like? So we assumed it was a picture of the person writing? I dont see that as me being racist...I dont listen to rap....neither do alot of people...non racist people who just happen to prefer classic rock or oldies....



texancutie -> RE: Not For The Easily Offended (7/9/2007 10:09:03 AM)

I read Domiguy's profile a while ago, and was very disappointed he was not black...lol.  Just kidding of course.  [;)]

I just take the time to read other's profiles.  Always the wise thing to do, regardless of whether they use an avatar or put their pic on their profiles.  Plus, sometimes their profile or journal gives a teeny bit of insight into that individual and what they might be about.  Sometimes...but not always.

Thanks for the welcome CrimsonMoan.  I actually have been here for off and on for some time.  I usually read more than I post, but lately have just been in a posting mood I guess.  And with this thread....I couldn't help myself.  Some people are very myopic.

Oh...not sure if I clarified this or not.  I am a member of my tribe.  Where my tribe is located...up in the freaking boonies, we didn't really mix much with other races until fairly recently.  Unless they were French fur trappers way back when.  My tribe is located right by Lake Superior.  My family moved to Chicago during the Indian Relocation Act, when my mom was a teenager.  That is where she met my dad.  But then they broke up and my mom decided to stay living in the Native community in Chicago.  My grandfather eventually moved back to the reservation, and my grandmother decided to stay and watch over my mom.  I wound up in Michigan eventually...at my dad's sister's home.  Living with my aunt and her family afforded me many more opportunities than I could get on the reservation, or in Chicago with my mom.  I was able to go to private school and grow up in the burbs.  Had my first car at 16 and it was new...not a rez car.  [:)]



mnottertail -> RE: Not For The Easily Offended (7/9/2007 10:09:56 AM)

Moderator 11 seems to be easily offended by this line of discussion............

Just sayin'!!!!! (word to the wise, guys)

Ron



uwinceismile -> RE: Not For The Easily Offended (7/9/2007 10:11:36 AM)

devils advocate.....
there was an asumption made by many, that domiguy was/is black due to his avatar.

then others stating, silly peeps,, hes actually white,its says so on his profile......

how do we know which is the truth?

and furthermore....... why do we care ? lol



KMsAngel -> RE: Not For The Easily Offended (7/9/2007 10:11:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: GhitaAmati

lol....we've been warned...I wondered how far this thread would be allowed to go


do you think they've even seen it? [:D]



CrimsonMoan -> RE: Not For The Easily Offended (7/9/2007 10:14:00 AM)

Ghaita  plenty of ppl know tupac without listenign to rap. my whole thing toward eru is that an avatar and af ew posts on race do not make up the whole picture of the person race or otherwise. i always say if you are gonna insult or label anyone you better have all the facts. You don't just call someone a darkie because you ASSUME they are black. He had no proof that domi was black but when down that road anyways.

edited because my fingers went numb



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