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When concept runs into reality - 7/2/2007 11:01:10 PM   
Aimtoplease101


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I've read a lot about, and experienced some of, the female led lifestyle.  However, despite the concept of the "all powerful" domme, in reality everyone has weaknesses.  For instance, several years ago I was in a relationship with a woman in which we shared expenses, had a joint checking account, etc.  While I generally deferred to her about most discretionary choices, I soon figured out that she had no idea how to live within a budget, and that unless I ultimately controlled the finances, we'd quickly become bankrupt.

How do you reconcile such realities with the goal of a female led relationship?  It seems to me that it's fairly easily if the domme isn't good with something that can be classified as menial (i.e., she's not much into washing dishes or doing laundry, so she has the sub do those things), but it's a bit trickier when you get into areas like financial management, that tend to have attributes of control and power associated with them.

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RE: When concept runs into reality - 7/2/2007 11:47:15 PM   
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I pick partners on their strengths ... and afford them the opportunity to grow within the responsibility I give them ... the scenario given ... I wouldn't see it as somehow losing the lead if he was in control of the finances ... if the instructions were ... triple them by the end of the next financial year ... he'd only be given that reponsibility because the world of finance was his strength ...  

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RE: When concept runs into reality - 7/3/2007 12:46:29 AM   
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he has skills and I have skills, it makes sense to apportion the things that need to be done, to the one best able to manage it.. well that's how it works in my house anyway.

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RE: When concept runs into reality - 7/3/2007 1:20:56 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Aimtoplease101

I've read a lot about, and experienced some of, the female led lifestyle.  However, despite the concept of the "all powerful" domme, in reality everyone has weaknesses.  For instance, several years ago I was in a relationship with a woman in which we shared expenses, had a joint checking account, etc.  While I generally deferred to her about most discretionary choices, I soon figured out that she had no idea how to live within a budget, and that unless I ultimately controlled the finances, we'd quickly become bankrupt.

How do you reconcile such realities with the goal of a female led relationship?  It seems to me that it's fairly easily if the domme isn't good with something that can be classified as menial (i.e., she's not much into washing dishes or doing laundry, so she has the sub do those things), but it's a bit trickier when you get into areas like financial management, that tend to have attributes of control and power associated with them.

Regards, ATP


While it's quite true that none of us are perfect, the strength and power is in the delegation of duties. For example. My previous was in finance. It didn't make alot of sense for me to take over something that he was obviously the expert on and had studied. We did work things so that although he had the duty and the responsibility to handle the financial books, I still held the control.

We sat down every Sunday and went over expenses. He had a weekly discretionary spending amount (or allowance) and his receipts were saved during the week and gone over. If I felt he was spending irresponsibly then the frivolous amount was deducted from the following week's allowance. Any amount left from the previous week also was deducted from the week to come.

Through the bank we arranged that both of our names had to be signed on every check, every payment, every financial redirection and decision. Nothing was done until I had approved and signed for it. If there was something that he thought needed to be done it was presented as a formal proposal, discussed to my satisfaction and then I determined whether or not we were to go ahead with his suggestions. The basis is that I had the power of Veto. If I didn't sign off on it; it didn't happen.

The only time this was dispensed with was in the case of holidays and birthdays and discretionary gifts. Without telling me what was being purchased he would request a specific amount to be spent and I would approve or deny the request. he would then make the purchase and return the card to me immediately afterwards. He had no individual access to any of the finances themselves without having my approval or signatory.

So, it can be worked out that the control is still held by the Dominant while the actual responsibility of upkeep and duty are left to the submissive. It's all in the way it's delegated.

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RE: When concept runs into reality - 7/3/2007 3:50:28 AM   
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Submission is a state of mind

You can perceive handling the finances (or any other task allocated to you in the relationship) as:

1    serving your Mistress in a way that makes you useful
2    a vanilla task (and everyone has them in relationships)
3    taking control over Her

Remember the task performed is identical.  The only thing that changes is the way you choose to perceive what you are doing. No woman can make you feel submissive (or led) unless you choose to feel that way

A lot of "submissive" men do not realise that their submission is in their own head: they drift from D/s relationship to D/s relationship hoping to find the Perfect Mistress who will magically MAKE them feel submissive

I can tell you from bitter experience that real life D/s relationships just do not work that way.  Its everyone's frustrated fanatsy that it does - but it does not.






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RE: When concept runs into reality - 7/3/2007 6:09:23 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SDFemDom4cuck

quote:

ORIGINAL: Aimtoplease101

I've read a lot about, and experienced some of, the female led lifestyle.  However, despite the concept of the "all powerful" domme, in reality everyone has weaknesses.  For instance, several years ago I was in a relationship with a woman in which we shared expenses, had a joint checking account, etc.  While I generally deferred to her about most discretionary choices, I soon figured out that she had no idea how to live within a budget, and that unless I ultimately controlled the finances, we'd quickly become bankrupt.

How do you reconcile such realities with the goal of a female led relationship?  It seems to me that it's fairly easily if the domme isn't good with something that can be classified as menial (i.e., she's not much into washing dishes or doing laundry, so she has the sub do those things), but it's a bit trickier when you get into areas like financial management, that tend to have attributes of control and power associated with them.

Regards, ATP


While it's quite true that none of us are perfect, the strength and power is in the delegation of duties. For example. My previous was in finance. It didn't make alot of sense for me to take over something that he was obviously the expert on and had studied. We did work things so that although he had the duty and the responsibility to handle the financial books, I still held the control.

We sat down every Sunday and went over expenses. He had a weekly discretionary spending amount (or allowance) and his receipts were saved during the week and gone over. If I felt he was spending irresponsibly then the frivolous amount was deducted from the following week's allowance. Any amount left from the previous week also was deducted from the week to come.

Through the bank we arranged that both of our names had to be signed on every check, every payment, every financial redirection and decision. Nothing was done until I had approved and signed for it. If there was something that he thought needed to be done it was presented as a formal proposal, discussed to my satisfaction and then I determined whether or not we were to go ahead with his suggestions. The basis is that I had the power of Veto. If I didn't sign off on it; it didn't happen.

The only time this was dispensed with was in the case of holidays and birthdays and discretionary gifts. Without telling me what was being purchased he would request a specific amount to be spent and I would approve or deny the request. he would then make the purchase and return the card to me immediately afterwards. He had no individual access to any of the finances themselves without having my approval or signatory.

So, it can be worked out that the control is still held by the Dominant while the actual responsibility of upkeep and duty are left to the submissive. It's all in the way it's delegated.



Beautiful.  Exactly as I want things done in this home.  I strive towards this goal; thank you SDFemDom4cuck for laying this out perfectly.

To the OP:  I believe if the dominant can't see the forest through the trees there is a huge problem.  A good dominant knows her weaknesses and handles them in such a way that she's not screwing herself of those in her charge.  So in my opinion if she's that blind there is little to reconcile.

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RE: When concept runs into reality - 7/3/2007 6:26:40 AM   
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Speaking from My own point of view, I wouldn't see this as anything more or less than a delegation of duties, which, when you get right down to it, is basically what a Dominant does anyway.  The particular task of managing household finances wasn't Her strong point, therefore, it's given over to you to make Her life easier.  I think the example Ms Jo pointed out is an excellent way to handle this situation if it is a hurdle.

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RE: When concept runs into reality - 7/3/2007 6:28:10 AM   
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My husband and I do not have a Ds relationship. However a year or so after we were married the stress I felt from monitoring our finances and his inability to budge was just too much. He took over the monitoring but I kept the authority to say "no" or "yes" to any expensives that were not in our personal money or specifically tied to necessities.

The result was far less stress for me and he learned to budget better because money became more "real" since he had to deal with bills and things.

It's all a matter of how you view the activities you each do, Ds or vanilla.

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RE: When concept runs into reality - 7/3/2007 6:52:43 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Aimtoplease101

I've read a lot about, and experienced some of, the female led lifestyle.  However, despite the concept of the "all powerful" domme, in reality everyone has weaknesses.  For instance, several years ago I was in a relationship with a woman in which we shared expenses, had a joint checking account, etc.  While I generally deferred to her about most discretionary choices, I soon figured out that she had no idea how to live within a budget, and that unless I ultimately controlled the finances, we'd quickly become bankrupt.

How do you reconcile such realities with the goal of a female led relationship?  It seems to me that it's fairly easily if the domme isn't good with something that can be classified as menial (i.e., she's not much into washing dishes or doing laundry, so she has the sub do those things), but it's a bit trickier when you get into areas like financial management, that tend to have attributes of control and power associated with them.

Regards, ATP


easy.... delegation

Not ever CEO/Business owner has all the required skills in order to make a successful business, so they hire people who do have these skills & place them in the appropriate positions

In your dynamic described, you obviously had skills that would have served the relationship if you had managed the finances. It would have been in the best interest of the relationship for her to make this your responsibility... but at the same time, you deferred to her final decision. You would have the responsibility to make her aware of the pros & cons of her final decision but at the end of the day, as a submissive, you have to respect the final word of your dominant. (side note: If you can't live with your dominant's decisions then you obviously need to move on.)

Some give & take would have to be established & so long as you both walked away with the mindset that she was the authority & you handled your task for her & for the benefit of the union... with this in placethere should be no issue with a sub managing the finances.

The highlighted text above is where the problem is as far as I can point out. It is a matter of perception. You still regard finances as a tool of control/power/authority... in order to handle this task as a submissive you will need to work on a mind shift... eliminate the thought that you are in power simply because you have a responsibility of managing finances.

Ask accountants at any firm & they'll tell you that they are not viewed as power authorities... most often they toil away in very thankless positions within the business machine.

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RE: When concept runs into reality - 7/3/2007 1:11:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: earthycouple

Beautiful.  Exactly as I want things done in this home.  I strive towards this goal; thank you SDFemDom4cuck for laying this out perfectly.

To the OP:  I believe if the dominant can't see the forest through the trees there is a huge problem.  A good dominant knows her weaknesses and handles them in such a way that she's not screwing herself of those in her charge.  So in my opinion if she's that blind there is little to reconcile.


You're welcome Earthycouple. It worked for us. If you have any questions about things that you can implement with robert feel free to contact me on the other side.  I agree as well with MstrssPassion that it's a matter of perceptions. I think that the way it's delegated can make a difference. I could have handled the finances, but given that this was his area of expertise, he could obviously handle it to a greater degree than I could. By recognizing it as his strength and expertise also gave him a sense of pride and responsibility. Not just towards me, but towards himself and towards us as a couple. he looked at it as a huge responsibility.

I meant to include the point on my last post that the OP could have looked at it as another way of taking care of his Dominant. Handling the finances was another duty to be seen as his caring for her financial well being and making her life easier. A bit of a different way of looking at it rather than taking a power and control outlook towards the responsibility.

In the corporate world, any good manager knows delegation is the key to successful management. Entrusting the responsibilities of specific duties to the person that is best adept at handling them doesn't make them any less competent as a manager. The reason a corporation hires accountants, HR directors, IT specialists etc...is to hire the person that has the most expertise handle specific duties in order to make the corporation a success. While they all work in conjunction towards that goal they all still have to answer to the CEO and/or the Board of Directors in the end. The delegation of duties within a Female Led Relationship is truly no different. The person with the greatest amount of expertise takes on specific duties in order to assure the relationship succeeds.

edited because this is essentially what MsPact said as well. LOL

< Message edited by SDFemDom4cuck -- 7/3/2007 1:14:08 PM >


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RE: When concept runs into reality - 7/3/2007 1:17:59 PM   
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Isn't it wonderful when great minds think alike?  

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RE: When concept runs into reality - 7/3/2007 1:20:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Isn't it wonderful when great minds think alike?  


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RE: When concept runs into reality - 7/3/2007 4:53:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: earthycouple
To the OP:  I believe if the dominant can't see the forest through the trees there is a huge problem.  A good dominant knows her weaknesses and handles them in such a way that she's not screwing herself of those in her charge.  So in my opinion if she's that blind there is little to reconcile. 


I agree - being strong and smart is also about knowing your strengths and weaknesses and making the best of it on all sides.  Recognizing and cultivating your sub's talents is a big part of the equation to me.  And a good way to learn from those in our command too.

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RE: When concept runs into reality - 7/4/2007 12:06:53 AM   
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Thanks to all of you for the thoughtful comments.  If everyone had the degree of common sense that you folks do, things like this would never have been a problem.

Regards, ATP

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RE: When concept runs into reality - 7/4/2007 7:55:34 AM   
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It all comes down to who takes the decisions: I do. Therefore he does not touch plants or does not do ironning when not under supervision. In about all other things I can just tell him what to do and it will be done. No one knows or can do everything. I just try to free time up to a maximum.

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