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RE: Al Gore's son arrested - 7/5/2007 11:20:17 AM

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I'm all for fun. Let's have lots of fun. (see? fun.) But at some point we have got to stop letting "non-news" and people who are "famous for nothing" overshadow what's really going on in the world. I'm all for making jokes about politicians and their children but notice the priorities. This story took front headlines but, unless you intentionally look it up you will not find the story of the soldier who died Wednesday.

And let's not forget the 1,000 dead Iraqis, too.

Funny how you never cared about dead Iraqis when Saddam was killing them.

The fact that it is Al Gore's son guarantees news coverage for better or worse, just as when President Bush's daughter was having her problems. I don't recall the same concern of over reporting when the Bush daughter was making news by the way.

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RE: Al Gore's son arrested - 7/5/2007 11:57:29 AM

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Steph, the officer reported that the car smelled like Pot, so you want to pretend that is not evidence he was smoking it in the car????? come on, you can do better than that.

I did do better. I didn't mindlessly leap to a conclusion with absolutely no evidence.

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As to my other allegations you referenced.

Due process means an open trial, the right to confront all accusers/witnessess, and the right to challenge the nature of All evidence against the person. That is what Due process is. If you demand it, that is what you are demanding. That means any agent who collected evidence would have to be pulled from the field(to attend court) and be identified, publically. It means any method used to collect data on Al Queda would be disected in open court, and compromised. It means hundreds(or thousands) of people who helped us in Afgnaistan would be identified in court while testifying openly, then they and thier families would suffer reprisals. That what Due Process means, and everyone demanding it is demanding the exposure of hundreds of our agents, and the slaughter of our allies.

If you not aware that Valerie drove to the CIA headquarters in her own car every day, then you are just not paying attention.

I think it's perfectly clear who is paying attention and who isn't.

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RE: Al Gore's son arrested - 7/5/2007 12:02:10 PM

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I'm all for fun. Let's have lots of fun. (see? fun.) But at some point we have got to stop letting "non-news" and people who are "famous for nothing" overshadow what's really going on in the world. I'm all for making jokes about politicians and their children but notice the priorities. This story took front headlines but, unless you intentionally look it up you will not find the story of the soldier who died Wednesday.

And let's not forget the 1,000 dead Iraqis, too.

Funny how you never cared about dead Iraqis when Saddam was killing them.

The US Flag wasn't flying about Iraq when Hussein was killing people.

If the Iraqis WANTED to be Free, they could have, at any time, had their own Revolution.

That's why the idea of "Giving them freedom" is so misguided. You cannot set anyone free until they are your slaves.

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RE: Al Gore's son arrested - 7/5/2007 12:32:09 PM

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I wonder if he issued the "Kennedy challenge" before he was arrested?
"DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM!!!???"
And he had quite the assortment of drugs with him too!
Adoral, Vicodin.
Isn't Adoral an Amphetimine?
I wonder if he'll be going to a "rehab" instead of jail?
Huh! You wouldn't catch a Kennedy in a "prius."

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RE: Al Gore's son arrested - 7/5/2007 2:21:08 PM

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Who knew a Prius could go 100mph!!??

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RE: Al Gore's son arrested - 7/5/2007 6:09:19 PM

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Al Gore's son arrested on drug suspicion
22 minutes ago

Al Gore's son was arrested early Wednesday on suspicion of possessing marijuana and prescription drugs after deputies pulled him over for speeding, authorities said.

Al Gore III, 24, was driving a blue Toyota Prius about 100 mph on the San Diego Freeway when he was pulled over at about 2:15 a.m., Sheriff's Department spokesman Jim Amormino said.

The deputies said they smelled marijuana and searched the car, Amormino said. They found less than an ounce of marijuana along with Xanax, Valium, Vicodin and Adderall, which is used for attention deficit disorder, he said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070704/ap_on_re_us/people_gore_s_son

*ye olde editorial note ~~ at least he was driving an environment-friendly Prius*

Bud....if he could get a Prius to go 100 MPH (I've got one...and I can't get it to top 82)....he should get a fucking medal!

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RE: Al Gore's son arrested - 7/5/2007 6:26:02 PM

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The car smelling like pot is not evidence he was smoking in the car??? give me a break.

I notice you are not touching what the implications of "Full Due Process" are....Hence what those demanding it are demanding. Any leftist want to take up that one?

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RE: Al Gore's son arrested - 7/5/2007 6:33:17 PM

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

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ORIGINAL: Masternslave07

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

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ORIGINAL: queencaliph

I'm all for fun. Let's have lots of fun. (see? fun.) But at some point we have got to stop letting "non-news" and people who are "famous for nothing" overshadow what's really going on in the world. I'm all for making jokes about politicians and their children but notice the priorities. This story took front headlines but, unless you intentionally look it up you will not find the story of the soldier who died Wednesday.

And let's not forget the 1,000 dead Iraqis, too.

Funny how you never cared about dead Iraqis when Saddam was killing them.

The US Flag wasn't flying about Iraq when Hussein was killing people.

If the Iraqis WANTED to be Free, they could have, at any time, had their own Revolution.

That's why the idea of "Giving them freedom" is so misguided. You cannot set anyone free until they are your slaves.

And I guess if the Chinese, North Koreans, Cubans, Syrians, Iranians, etc. really wanted freedom, they would have it too? How judgemental for a liberal.
Our main goal in going into Iraq was to get rid of a possible threat after 9/11 not to free the Iraqis. The freedom was a hoped for side effect which I still believe Iraqi people want, unlike you.

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RE: Al Gore's son arrested - 7/5/2007 7:07:27 PM

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The car smelling like pot is not evidence he was smoking in the car??? give me a break.

First, you didn't claim he was smoking in the car. You claimed he was stoned. Second, you don't yet deserve a break, and since I'm not McDonalds, no break for you.

That the deputies claimed they smelled MJ could very well be evidence that someone smoked in the car. Was it him? Maybe. Maybe not. Was it even that day? Again, maybe. Maybe not. Is it enough evidence to leap headlong to the conclusion that he was stoned at the time? Not even remotely.

If I were a cynical person, I might wonder if they were simply employing one of the oldest cop tricks in the book to create probable cause to search his vehicle. However, judging Skippy's past, they might not have had to pull that club out of the bag this time.

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I notice you are not touching what the implications of "Full Due Process" are....Hence what those demanding it are demanding.

Since you're so keen on noticing, you might have also noticed that I never questioned the implications of due process. I think your doomsday evaluation of the process is incorrect, but it's really not something I'm all that willing to devote the time to discuss after seeing what conclusions you lept to in this miniscule matter.

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edited, a response to Steph, not Griswold

While you're still in that noticing mood, please notice that you're spelling my name incorrectly. Thanks.

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RE: Al Gore's son arrested - 7/5/2007 9:00:04 PM

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My bad, and Apologies for misspelling your name Stef, it was not intentional or a slight.

I think Albert Gore III's history of Drug use and him being alone in a car that had been smoked in, is pretty convioncing evidence that he was stoned. Driving at 100 mph would air out the smell pretty quickly, so it had been recently smoked in, or it was smoked in constantly for a long period of time giving it a permenant reek. You can assume with absolutly no evidence that he is being set up and framed by the Cops. But that is just pulled out of thin air.

I do not understand why you are ducking my response to you. You challenged me on my assertion that everyone demanding Full due process for Gitmo folks is demanding that we expose hundreds (or more) agents. I do find it ridiculaous that you( and so many others) are acting so upset about valerie (who did drive to work openly at the CIA headquarters everyday, no matter what the Comedian Bill Mahr said in a rant), while demanding the exposure of many active field agents and the exposure of data collection methods. Because that is what Due Process means. You challenged my assertion, I responded, and now you have no response, but are still pretending you are right?

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RE: Al Gore's son arrested - 7/6/2007 5:39:37 AM

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Uhhhhhhhhh, that is one of the problems with a free and open society, you have the right to face your accuser. This red herring has been brought up more than once, but in any case, you don't need a 100 agents per to give the day in court to the accused man. This ain't a really clandestine operation in the first place, and they have no need of anonymity. Lam earlier, perhaps in this thread perhaps, perhaps another thread, indicated with a New Yorker article (I belive) how a great deal of some of the assured terrorists were given up. Now as for the poor assholes yanked off the street because they had a vaguely foriegn sounding name, or the guys who gave up anything they can think of because bob vila clamped the new craftsman easy on easy off plier with synergistic racheting action from Sears to their nuts........

Bullshit!!!!!!! There is no clandestine CIA or DIA or FBI involvement that requires anonymity....this is a military action against terrorists, nothing to hide.

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