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LadyAngelika -> RE: BDSm call on Dr. Laura (6/15/2005 6:42:50 PM)

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I was reminiscing about "The Fonz" and smiling when I read your last post. Reminded me of me. Damn - I'll feel REAL old (older?) if no one gets that reference.


K.. I know who the Fonz is but I didn't catch the reference. Please point it out!

- LA




sub4hire -> RE: BDSm call on Dr. Laura (6/15/2005 6:45:02 PM)

As far as websites go, YES...however I have not had the time to weed through yet.

Anyway, here is a brief thread from a list I am on.

Urgent notice from Bob Wingate

BOUND & GAGGED DISCONTINUING OPERATIONS JUNE 22ND!

As of June 23, new federal regulation under the Child Protection and Obscenity Enforcement Act of 1988 will impose record-keeping and inspection requirements for "adult" photographs that will be virtually impossible for us to comply with. Failure to comply is punishable by fine or imprisonment. We are discontinuing our business operations because we do not currently have the resources to comply with these new federal regulations.

Print subscribers will be notified about the termination of their subscriptions by letter. If you are an online Bound & Gagged member, please download the online subscription reimbursement form about pro-rated refunds. Since cash refunds will be extremely expensive for Bound & Gagged, a company that has always only managed to break even, and would cause tremendous hardship to my personal finances, I ask your kind indulgence: please let me know if you would be willing to accept back print issues of Bound & Gagged in lieu of money.

Unfortunately, we will not be able to ship magazines after June 22 without being in violation of the law, so please mail in your form and get back to me about this right away.

Thanks very much for all the pleasure you've given me over the years.
Good-bye and good-luck to you all. May happier times come soon.

Bob Wingate

P.S. This site will be operational until June 22.
Online Wired Issue
0044 will go up on or before June 15th.



And from this day forward
Release yourself from those who do not value your worthiness and love Let today, be the beginning of a new Life, one which will bring you laughter, love, hope, promise, and unconditional, universal love.
Allow your memories to return and have their way Let the past replay but do not live in it Let old feelings flow through you on their way to peace Accept all that was, all that has been Accept all of it ~ all of You.

I'll try to find the original post and post it




sub4hire -> RE: BDSm call on Dr. Laura (6/15/2005 6:48:30 PM)

I haven't managed to find it on this webpage yet.

Check out the 3rd snippet for picture types. It appears to say.... that if you plan on posting (or already have
posted) a
pic like that of yourself anywhere on the Internet, you'll be handing
1 (or
more) site/list/URL owner, a paper copy of your LEGAL ID and a signed release.

The new revisions to 18 USC 2257 go into effect on June 23, 2005.
Good for
10 years in prison *PER* violation.....

http://tinyurl.com/c5c9u An pretty comprehensive summary

The new adult record-keeping and labeling regulations, 28 CFR Part 75, drawn from the Child Protection and Obscenity Enforcement Act of 1988, 18 U.S.C. 2257, as amended, were published today in the Federal Register, with the notation that they will take effect on June 23, 2005 <..snip..snip..> "The regulation states, 'A computer site or service or Web address containing a digitally- or computer-manipulated image, digital image, or picture, shall contain the required statement on its homepage, any known major entry points, or principal URL (including the principal URL of a subdomain), or in a separate window that opens upon the viewer's clicking a hypertext link that states, "18 U.S.C. 2257 Record-Keeping Requirements Compliance Statement",'" Cambria noted. "Now, that would be the way to go right there: Have a link and then just lay it all out. But as a 'secondary producer,' the records do have to be in the site owner's possession; the link just basically saves a lot of space on the Web page."
<..snip..snip..>
applies to "a visual depiction of an actual human being engaged in actual sexually explicit conduct." Although "actual sexually explicit conduct"
isn't defined in the regulations, the applicable definition is found in the United States Code: "sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex; bestiality; masturbation; sadistic or masochistic abuse; or lascivious exhibition of the genitals or pubic area of any person"

http://tinyurl.com/9j3t8 Natl Archives & Records Admin/ Federal
Register

You can search for the specific laws and amendments, but it takes a bit.




Leonidas -> RE: BDSm call on Dr. Laura (6/15/2005 7:20:58 PM)

What I think is funny is that I've thought for years that she's a very very thinly veiled pro-domme on her show. And a good portion of her callers are closeted humilliation sluts. Hasn't anyone else noticed the steady diet of people calling with "issues" that they know are overwhelmingly likely to get them a tongue lashing, and the "yes, I'm your bitch" demeanor they assume when she wades into them?

You and I have had a conversation about the small-minded and judgemental face-to-face, surfergirl. She's just one more, and so, for that matter, is the caller. There's no way in the world that the caller didn't know what she was going to say beforehand. The caller just wanted someone else to pass a judgement that they lacked sufficient spine to pass on their own. Which brings me back to my first point.




surfergirl -> RE: BDSm call on Dr. Laura (6/15/2005 7:32:04 PM)

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You and I have had a conversation about the small-minded and judgemental face-to-face, surfergirl. She's just one more, and so, for that matter, is the caller. There's no way in the world that the caller didn't know what she was going to say beforehand. The caller just wanted someone else to pass a judgement that they lacked sufficient spine to pass on their own. Which brings me back to my first point.


< Message edited by Leonidas -- 6/15/2005 7:26:18 PM


very very true. I tend to like some of what she has to say, but I honestly did not know she was this narrow minded.
How are the troops Leonidas?
Have a good one.




BeautifulDoll -> RE: BDSm call on Dr. Laura (6/15/2005 7:33:08 PM)

The lifestyle is so not abusive, i mean it can get that way if you get with the wrong person or you are not safe. For the most part though it is not. i know that was a big issue for me when i first started learning about it because i come from an abusive past. Dr. Laura sometimes has good things to say that i agree with but this one is definitely not one of them.




MzBerlin -> RE: BDSm call on Dr. Laura (6/15/2005 7:35:17 PM)

*nevermind*




Leonidas -> RE: BDSm call on Dr. Laura (6/15/2005 7:46:15 PM)

The troops are fine. Beg your master to come see for yourself. You both are always welcome.




surfergirl -> RE: BDSm call on Dr. Laura (6/15/2005 7:52:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Leonidas

The troops are fine. Beg your master to come see for yourself. You both are always welcome.



He was actually just telling me that he wanted to get together with you guys soon. He has a wonderful time meeting you and wants to learn more.
He is going away to washington for the weekend, but will be back on monday night, and our "vacation' starts! WHoo hoo... my love to your kajira!




Lordandmaster -> RE: BDSm call on Dr. Laura (6/15/2005 8:22:37 PM)

You people actually listen to Dr. Laura?




perverseangelic -> RE: BDSm call on Dr. Laura (6/15/2005 11:58:31 PM)

I'm a sucker for things like advice columns. As such, I love listening to Dr. Laura. However, I find she makes me too mad, most noteably because of her view of empowered women who don't "please" their men.

One of the first things the partner did when we went full time was to forbid me ot listen to Dr. Laura. :)




lovingmaster45 -> RE: BDSm call on Dr. Laura (6/16/2005 3:02:30 AM)

Merc,
There is one aspect of this story which your links did not cover.

The man who was Laura's mentor/lover/Daddy/photographer had forgotten about those photos until he was preparing to move. When he found them he decided the "right thing to do" was to return the pics and the negatives to Laura.

He checked her appearance schedule and waited until she was at a venue near him. When he approached her table, he said hello and handed the large envelop to Laura; telling her that she should have it. She threw the envelop at him and ordered security to remove him from the building.

It was only after this incident that he contacted anyone to sell the pics. He did so with the intent of doing the most damage he could to her. I think he succeeded and I applaud him for it. My opinion; I think she still needs a Daddy in her life.




LadyAngelika -> RE: BDSm call on Dr. Laura (6/16/2005 4:21:30 AM)


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ORIGINAL: perverseangelic

I'm a sucker for things like advice columns. As such, I love listening to Dr. Laura. However, I find she makes me too mad, most noteably because of her view of empowered women who don't "please" their men.

One of the first things the partner did when we went full time was to forbid me ot listen to Dr. Laura. :)


Empowered women who don't please their men!! Wow. I have no idea who this Laura woman is but I'd like to have a round with her... <weg>

- LA




sub4hire -> RE: BDSm call on Dr. Laura (6/16/2005 6:59:24 AM)

By the way as of June 23rd, sites like collarme may go down as well. All those nude photo's in profiles. Well they need a release for each one.
Or its ten years in prison for each offense.




Tormentius -> RE: BDSm call on Dr. Laura (6/16/2005 4:13:21 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: sub4hire

By the way as of June 23rd, sites like collarme may go down as well. All those nude photo's in profiles. Well they need a release for each one.
Or its ten years in prison for each offense.



Its not going to happen. This is something people have been in a panic over for awhile now but police are way too overwhelmed with crime, fraud, and pedo rings to bother cruising singles sites and opening investigations unless a picture is very questionable.




sub4hire -> RE: BDSm call on Dr. Laura (6/16/2005 4:17:52 PM)

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Its not going to happen. This is something people have been in a panic over for awhile now but police are way too overwhelmed with crime, fraud, and pedo rings to bother cruising singles sites and opening investigations unless a picture is very questionable.


I hope it doesn't however the legislation becomes law. It would be so easy to target the internet. We will see.




Mercnbeth -> RE: BDSm call on Dr. Laura (6/16/2005 4:47:15 PM)

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Its not going to happen. This is something people have been in a panic over for awhile now but police are way too overwhelmed with crime, fraud, and pedo rings to bother cruising singles sites and opening investigations unless a picture is very questionable.


It appears that the legislation is more an attempt to create an on-line "red-light district". They want all "adult" sites to have a .xxx desination versus the .com.

The most recent newsletter from the FSC alluded to as much http://www.freespeechcoalition.com/newsletter6-10-05.htm

The referenced articles seem to confirm that's the case. It appears that both sides are not happy and the only web Masters who will oversee any conversion to the .xxx suffix will benefit. In fact one quote from Declan McCullagh is worth noting:
quote:

Will the antiporn forces in the Bush administration like the idea of .xxx, as some politicians did five years ago, or will they move to block it? The conservative advocacy group Family Research Council already is trying the second approach. "The '.xxx' domain also cloaks the porn industry with legitimacy," FRC legal counsel Patrick Trueman said in a press release on Friday. "The industry will have a place at the table in developing and maintaining their new property."
Entire Article: http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9588_22-5734012.html

Matt O'Conner's article noted that Christians & Conservatives are NOT happy.
quote:

Morality in Media President Robert Peters, meanwhile, said he fears that the use of .XXX will legitimize the adult web and end up providing adult sites with de facto protection from obscenity prosecutions.
Entire Article: http://www.xbiz.com/news_piece.php?id=9058




mnottertail -> RE: BDSm call on Dr. Laura (6/16/2005 4:52:39 PM)

C'mon guys.......why prattle pure conjecture like this? Doubtless doc lora (intentional) needs a frank asswhippin. Not being clever enough to know where to find one, she is challenging ACCEPTED MORES in hopes to make contact with her inner self which equals the local BDSM community.

This is a cry for help, and I cannot belive you heartless people cannot recognize it for what it is; show some compassion, please.

It would probably be the most wonderful day in her life if MzBerlin could find a way to reach out (I believe they live in the same country) and put her live on the broadcast. Now; admittedly, she might show some umbrage at first..........but fight or flight is something of an atomic issue to the BDSM community. Ds are fight and Ss are flight. Show some tolerance you guys.

LMAO, (and wishing upon the stars)
iRon InterTubalianMasterofTheInterGallacticNebulae..........
or Ron if you have carpal tunnel syndrome........Hey, remember SSC




mnottertail -> RE: BDSm call on Dr. Laura (6/16/2005 4:58:59 PM)

Dear sub4hire,

do you know Bob? or perhaps the keeper of the archives (proudsub......that lady knows everything....) could direct us to a website where these laws are readable to such as us..........In fact this is a better idea than the laser targeting device.......why is there not a BDSM and the LAW forum where such information can be exchanged and evaluated, perhaps divided further by Federal and state by state............

Mayhaps with emails and toll free phone numbers of those who represent ALL the people.........perhaps we are now the silent majority and no one knows but Falwell..........and he aint quittin his gig

Ron




MsIncognito -> RE: BDSm call on Dr. Laura (6/16/2005 5:54:13 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: sub4hire

By the way as of June 23rd, sites like collarme may go down as well. All those nude photo's in profiles. Well they need a release for each one.
Or its ten years in prison for each offense.



On another BDSM site they now have a "release" of sorts that you must agree to before they will let you upload any pics. You have to attest that you either have rights to display the photo or that the photo is in the public domain. This was a recent change so I'm not sure if it was precipitated by these changes you've mentioned. Perhaps that is one way to get a release without forcing people to actually send them into the site?




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