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CrimsonMoan -> Another Reason Why NOT to work at Walmart (7/5/2007 11:25:45 AM)

Husband files 'dead peasant' suit against Wal-Mart for collecting insurance in spouse's death

By Emanuella Grinberg
Court TV When Karen Armatrout died of cancer in 1997, her husband, Richard, collected a modest amount in life insurance benefits from her employer, Wal-Mart.
But Armatrout claims that, unbeknownst to him, Wal-Mart also collected on a life insurance policy, one the company took out on Karen Armatrout years before without her knowledge.
This week, Armatrout filed a class-action complaint seeking what his lawyers estimate might be $80,000 in benefits that Wal-Mart supposedly collected "in bad faith" on a corporate-owned life insurance policy.
Armatrout's "dead peasant" suit, filed Wednesday in Tampa, Fla.'s U.S. District Court, accuses Wal-Mart ofmaking money off her death without having a valid claim to her estate.
Typically, such a stake, known as an "insurable interest," is reserved for individuals so closely connected to the person insured that he or she would suffer significant financial damage if the person died.
The complaint also charges that the Arkansas-based corporation misappropriated Karen Armatrout's name and personal information for the purposes of taking out the policy.
"Wal-Mart and the insurers used employees' private information to buy and sell policies," Armatrout's Texas attorney, Mike D. Myers, told CourtTVnews.com. "As matter of public policy, Wal-Mart should not be permitted to keep the policy's benefits because it did not have the necessary insurable interest in the lives of its rank-and-file employees to warrant being a beneficiary."
From 1993 to 1998, Wal-Mart was not alone in reaping the tax benefits associated with corporate-owned life insurance, which came to be known by critics as "dead peasant" insurance, based on a character in Nikolai Gogol's "Dead Souls" who buys up the contracts of recently deceased serfs.
Lawyers for Armatrout, who say that Wal-Mart took out such policies on 350,000 "rank and file" employees like Karen Armatrout during that time, have also participated in lawsuits against Golden Corral, Winn Dixie and Camelot Music.
The attorneys, who have brought three identical lawsuits against Wal-Mart in Texas, Oklahoma and Louisiana, say the company made use of favorable tax regulations in Georgia, which allowed the company to take out corporate-owned life insurance policies without the employees' knowledge.
Wal-Mart settled the suits in Texas and Oklahoma, where the company paid back 100 percent of the benefits, amounting to just over $5 million.Along with Armatrout's case in Florida, another suit is pending in Louisiana.
In the previous cases, Wal-Mart attempted to argue that Georgia law applied because that was where the policies were purchased and paid out. But the courts found that the proper venue for deciding whether Wal-Mart had an insurable interest was thedeceased's state of residence.
Only six states, Delaware, Georgia, New Jersey, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Vermont, allow companies to take out life insurance policies on their employees without notifying them. Most states have laws requiring that companies advise their employees and seek their consent before purchasing the policies.
Myers says he is hopeful that the precedents set in the other cases bode well for the Florida case, where he is seeking class-action certification for an estimated 80 plaintiffs in addition to Armatrout.
"I'd rather be where we are now rather than after losing three in a row," Myers said.
Representatives for Wal-Mart did not return calls for comment.




SeeksOnlyOne -> RE: Another Reason Why NOT to work at Walmart (7/5/2007 11:28:14 AM)

just.......wow




Alumbrado -> RE: Another Reason Why NOT to work at Walmart (7/5/2007 11:29:45 AM)

I remember when the 'insurable interest' requirement started being eroded, amidst assurances that it was all good....[8|]




beyourdog -> RE: Another Reason Why NOT to work at Walmart (7/5/2007 11:39:39 AM)

yes i have heard this before-that is why the greeters are over 60..they dont have to wait so long to collect on it, and it pays them back all the payroll so its like getting free labor, plus they dont cover health insurance for most workers, so its no wonder they profit so much per fiscal year...and continue driving out the 'mom and pop'/ family business' everywhere.  It is a messed up situation but everyone wants their bread .20 cheaper, so ya know...




KatyLied -> RE: Another Reason Why NOT to work at Walmart (7/5/2007 11:50:28 AM)

from wiki:    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate-owned_life_insurance

COLI was originally purchased on the lives of key employees and executives by a company to hedge against the financial cost of losing key employees to unexpected death, the risk of recruiting and training replacements of necessary or highly-trained personnel, or to fund corporate obligations to redeem stock upon the death of an owner

It looks like the intent of this type of life insurance was never for the greeter-type employee but for higher-ranking employees.  It is interesting though.




NakedOnMyChain -> RE: Another Reason Why NOT to work at Walmart (7/5/2007 11:58:22 AM)

Ridiculous!  Does that mean I get to take out insurance on my mail delivery man, the Schwann's guy, and the kid who waters my plants when I'm on vacation?  The claim of insurance for non-crucial employees is assinine.  Another money-grubbing scheme from Wally World.  And we act surprised.




UtopianRanger -> RE: Another Reason Why NOT to work at Walmart (7/5/2007 12:01:54 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: KatyLied

from wiki:    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate-owned_life_insurance

COLI was originally purchased on the lives of key employees and executives by a company to hedge against the financial cost of losing key employees to unexpected death, the risk of recruiting and training replacements of necessary or highly-trained personnel, or to fund corporate obligations to redeem stock upon the death of an owner

It looks like the intent of this type of life insurance was never for the greeter-type employee but for higher-ranking employees.  It is interesting though.



If you're applying this to wal-mart, it's clearly a misnomer. There have been numerous lawsuits filed in the state Texas {and other states} on behalf of peasant-employees for this highly unethical practice.

For the record..... We’ve had a couple of past threads that were very informative and well-argued {by both sides} over that last eighteen months.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_498476/mpage_1/key_wal%252Cmart/tm.htm#498576




- R




kittinSol -> RE: Another Reason Why NOT to work at Walmart (7/5/2007 12:04:52 PM)

What a charming story.

Looks as though I won't start going to W-M yet.




Alumbrado -> RE: Another Reason Why NOT to work at Walmart (7/5/2007 12:19:09 PM)

quote:

If you're applying this to wal-mart, it's clearly a misnomer. There have been numerous lawsuits filed in the state Texas {and other states} on behalf of peasant-employees for this highly unethical practice.


That is sort of the point... 'Key Person' insurance was based on the insurable interest an employer has in an employee whose loss would cost the business skill and or knowledge not readily replaceable by a new person.

WallyWorld insuring massive numbers of rank and file employees behind their backs, is a travesty of the original notion.




CrimsonMoan -> RE: Another Reason Why NOT to work at Walmart (7/5/2007 12:28:49 PM)

Considering how many WMs ther and how many people are employed by them god forbid they decide to start bumping off their workforce.




KatyLied -> RE: Another Reason Why NOT to work at Walmart (7/5/2007 1:03:42 PM)

As far as I know, COLI is indeed peasant insurance.  




instynctive -> RE: Another Reason Why NOT to work at Walmart (7/5/2007 1:15:33 PM)

I'm feeling rather insulted by the liberal use of "peasant"...

[8D]




CrimsonMoan -> RE: Another Reason Why NOT to work at Walmart (7/5/2007 1:24:27 PM)

Yes well that is the term attached with it since stuff liek this does go back into history [8D] *tosses buffallo onto the gril*




Vendaval -> RE: Another Reason Why NOT to work at Walmart (7/6/2007 12:40:24 AM)

Yet another reason NOT to shop at WM.  [&:]




DiurnalVampire -> RE: Another Reason Why NOT to work at Walmart (7/6/2007 12:44:33 AM)

When Angel briefly worked at walmart, he said the idea of them insuring him freaked him out.




popeye1250 -> RE: Another Reason Why NOT to work at Walmart (7/6/2007 6:35:40 AM)

One of the networks did a special about Walmart a few years ago, I think it was one of the business channels.
They implied that even management wasn't very well paid there, $35-$40k per year.
I don't think that it would look too good to have that on your resume anyway; "Manager, Walmart" even if you were right out of college.
Contrast that with the story they did on Costco.
I'll be going to Costco today.
They take good care of their employees, most make $18 per hour plus benefits and it really shows.
Management makes much more.
They have very high retention rates as opposed to other stores and the employees are friendly and helpfull as opposed to the surliness that I see at other places.
You always see "Help Wanted" signs outside of Walmart's, not so with Costco.
I haven't been inside a Walmart since 2001.
If I'm going to spend my money in a store or any business I want it to be a business that takes care of it's employees.




persiphone -> RE: Another Reason Why NOT to work at Walmart (7/6/2007 7:02:42 AM)

I worked for Walmart off and on for 7 years. When i left Texas i was told that because i did not know when i could start work again that i would have to quit. I asked if i could simply take a leave of abscence until after the move. I was told no. So i quit, lost my vacation time, and my pay grade. When i started again at the one here i started out at bottom salary, even though i had much more experience and training than most. When i worked for them there were many empty promises. Promises of promotions, and pay raises, neither of which ever came about. When i worked for them i never had insurance. I couldn't afford it. One very sincere Assistant manager once did the math and she actually earned less than i did when you factored in her hours and such. They also went to a system of pay grades. Now if you make a move it had better be up, if you move to another department you may get paid less. Also older workers who were not hired in at $ 6.50 an hour but $ 3.35 an hour even with all the annual raises are not up to the current wage. Why do they stay? How do you leave when you live paycheck to paycheck? How do you give up your vacation and retirement? Anyway enough of the rant.




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