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What if: - 7/5/2007 5:34:33 PM

charmdpetKeira

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A planet wide, garden paradise were possible.

Have you ever considered what it would take to make, and keep everyone happy? Do you think if the elements were all there, it could even be possible?

What would it take to keep you happy?

In answering, please try not to eliminate anything, but the impossible. It might help to consider, in a place where miracles do happen, there is very little that is impossible.

Sincerely,

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RE: What if: - 7/5/2007 5:44:33 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: charmdpetKeira

A planet wide, garden paradise were possible.

Have you ever considered what it would take to make, and keep everyone happy? Do you think if the elements were all there, it could even be possible?

What would it take to keep you happy?

In answering, please try not to eliminate anything, but the impossible. It might help to consider, in a place where miracles do happen, there is very little that is impossible.

Sincerely,

k

I have reflected on whether or not a Utopia as you state would be possible, human nature being what it is I am dubious about everyone being happy in this world. I think that where two or more people are gathered there will be some conflict, this is a part of what it is to be human. Once people get exactly what they want they tend to want something different. It is just how we are.

Happiness is a state of being. I do not know that anything can make me happy or secure in this world. No other person can give it to me, it has to come from within, and so far happiness and security have been elusive for me, but I feel that I am about to grasp them and claim them as mine in the not so distant future. Happiness is not something that happens to me, it is something that is inside.

I do believe miracles happen. There are some things that bring me joy, and they tend to be simple things. I have had some joy today for example... and I treasure every bit of it that comes my way...

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RE: What if: - 7/5/2007 5:50:41 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: charmdpetKeira

A planet wide, garden paradise were possible.

Have you ever considered what it would take to make, and keep everyone happy? Do you think if the elements were all there, it could even be possible?

What would it take to keep you happy?

In answering, please try not to eliminate anything, but the impossible. It might help to consider, in a place where miracles do happen, there is very little that is impossible.

Sincerely,

k

(Well, I'm thinking...my 5 acres is pretty awesome, but....getting 6 billion people comfortable here would be a real pain in the ass).

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RE: What if: - 7/5/2007 5:55:24 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Griswold

(Well, I'm thinking...my 5 acres is pretty awesome, but....getting 6 billion people comfortable here would be a real pain in the ass).

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RE: What if: - 7/5/2007 6:08:04 PM

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What would it take to keep me happy- actually right now I'd say I'm happy about 95% of the time or more.

The problem is that what it would take to keep me happy 100% of the time is sure to make a heck of a lot of people UNHAPPY- even kinky people.

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RE: What if: - 7/5/2007 7:14:06 PM

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I'd be happy if I wasn't so deeply and profoundly bored with everything, even my favourite hobbies bore me to tears these days

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RE: What if: - 7/5/2007 7:56:21 PM

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Let's see.

A garden paradise.

We'd have to eat, so animals would be killed. The animals wouldn't be happy about that, the vegetarians wouldn't be thrilled about that, and animal rights people would hate that.

Then we have contrarians who come up with statements like this and she (me) would surely piss somebody off. I'm assuming we'd still have rocks and sticks and fire. We could get into a rock stick fire fight, or burn each other's tents down.

I do see a way around this though. A lifetime supply of valium for everyone.

But how to manufacture it without polluting something.

Hm.

I don't know, Keira. I'm at a loss now. (And sorry to ruin your thread. I adore the idea of a garden paradise.)

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RE: What if: - 7/5/2007 8:24:27 PM

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in my utopia,
i am surrounded by my children and my family almost constantly, being given just enuff "me" time, to enjoy my kinks
oh wait,,,i have that now

charmedpetkeria..
thank you for ur thread :)
huggggz

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RE: What if: - 7/5/2007 8:31:10 PM

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Happiness is a state of being.

Agreed. I think Abraham Lincoln summed it up best: "people are as happy as they've made up their mind to be."

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RE: What if: - 7/5/2007 11:23:49 PM

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In such a paradise, it'd be easy for there to be a drug, or machine, that would allow for constant and perfect happiness constantly and eternally.

Incase you were looking for something deep, that's it. Happiness is a side-effect of the learning process, the macroscopic view of many drivers and their relative fulfillment.

Also, I'd note, such a paradise would likely be something the average human, common, would object to.

Edit:
I'm tired, and, for a moment, forgot that people on these boards don't take my word as holy. Meh. Stupid alternating lives. Yes, I'm too tired to care about civilities at this moment. So, I guess I have to explain this one.

The brain. It's you. It's not that it has you in it. It -is- you. (Along with the nervous system and body. Hell, even the environment. But, for the moment, we'll keep it simple.)

Happiness. It's some chemical in the brain returning such and such a function. Such a function returning that could be done by nanobots (or picotech, if need be, in such a divine paradise).

People carry around this silly notion that such happiness would be transitory as such happy feelings on Earth tend to pass with time. One must come to understand that the brain erodes to constant stimulie, either in failing to perceive the stimuli to such a continued effect or/and learning mannerisms ignorant to such stimuli, even at lower levels. A machine in such a paradise could compensate for this effect, removing the transitory aspect of such happiness.

I would hope one would come to note the larger implications. The functions of happiness. Why we can't be happy 24/7. And, what we'd be like, if we were.

I'd encourage one to consider a boy on a video game all day long, sitting there, eyes affixed to the screen. Such a boy has found a source of happiness that trumps other sources in his economic, proper, considerations. Still, would one envy such a boy, even if happy? One may even come to critize the boy, leaving his body to apathy and neglecting his work. "He'd never make anything of himself", one might argue. But, in such a paradise, would anyone have reason to work? All would be provided, unless this is somehow determential to happiness, which, in truth, it isn't. We are simply phobic of such offers as they are determental to our own happiness through the experience of sloth bringing ill gains.

So tell me, friends: is happiness the ultimate goal of any life? The answer is, scientifically, yes- but it finds contradiction in conscious thought. An odd creature, one is.

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RE: What if: - 7/6/2007 11:02:57 AM

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Interesting article in this months Discover magazine.

Scientists have started to hone on a possible environmental cause of depression.

Apparently, overly clean environments lack subtle allergens which, while the body is in the process of
taking care of them, cause the body to secrete endorphins and cytokines (If I am remembering
it correctly) which result in improved emotional spirits and increased resistance to illness.

If I was reading it correctly, the solution to being depressed is to go outside and play in the mud.

Works for me.

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RE: What if: - 7/6/2007 11:34:45 AM

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quote:

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If I was reading it correctly, the solution to being depressed is to go outside and play in the mud.

Dirty clothes be damned. Let's go!!! ~gathering assorted cups, pans, spoons, spades ... and a gigantic watering can~

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RE: What if: - 7/6/2007 11:39:31 AM

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Would you like sand sprinkles on Your mud pie?...

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RE: What if: - 7/6/2007 1:12:44 PM

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quote:

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If I was reading it correctly, the solution to being depressed is to go outside and play in the mud.

Dirty clothes be damned. Let's go!!! ~gathering assorted cups, pans, spoons, spades ... and a gigantic watering can~

Yeehaw, now we're talkin'. =)

Don't forget the Slip n Slide, lol. Remember those.. how they used to get the whole yard all muddy?

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RE: What if: - 7/6/2007 1:20:04 PM

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Have you ever considered what it would take to make, and keep everyone happy?

Having all of their needs met would probably be a prerequisite.

quote:

Do you think if the elements were all there, it could even be possible?

Too many people have needs that would require others to be made unhappy... competing interests, need for power over others (not in a good way), etc.

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RE: What if: - 7/6/2007 1:31:47 PM

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Personally, I think that a certain amount of pain and sadness gives depth and wisdom to life. The phrases " finding happiness" or " being happy" kind of suggests, to ME, that it's something to chase down and catch.

Am I happy all the time? Heck no.. I'm still grieving my brother. But that's just okay because in the meantime, I'm finding moments of crystal-clear joy all around me.

Besides, there's definitely a time for being melancholy, or bittersweet. Or even a good old-fashioned brood. That stuff has certainly inspired a lot of good art and literature.

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RE: What if: - 7/6/2007 3:26:22 PM

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Yeah, Stella, agreed.

Sometimes there's nothing more satisfying than being a horrendous bitch to the core or having a blow-out cry session. But I'm a middle aged woman experiencing the joys of blooming into middle-aged womanhood so take it for what it's worth.

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RE: What if: - 7/7/2007 8:56:37 AM

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I’m a bit disappointed in myself for not being able to reply to everyone who has responded to this thread, especially since it is such an important topic for me.

What’s wrong? I guess I’m having a hard time finding that inner happiness; busting my ass to merely exist, is taking its toll.

Anyway, thank you all for responding; sorry for dumping on ya.

Uwinceismile, you’re welcome.

Sincerely,

k

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RE: What if: - 7/7/2007 9:06:56 AM

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ORIGINAL: slaveish

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If I was reading it correctly, the solution to being depressed is to go outside and play in the mud.

Dirty clothes be damned. Let's go!!! ~gathering assorted cups, pans, spoons, spades ... and a gigantic watering can~

When I was a kid, I had a book on the NFL championships that had been played. On the story about the 1965 title game featuring the Green Bay Packers and Cleveland Browns, there was a pic of Browns' defensive tackle Jim Kanicki, after the game, covered from head to toe with mud. I tenatively asked my mom, on a rainy day, if I could go outside and "get that muddy". Surprisingly, she said yes. Well, after getting mud all over (including down my pants), I came to the conclusion it wasn't as fun as I had hoped.

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RE: What if: - 7/7/2007 9:09:16 AM

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Have you ever considered what it would take to make, and keep everyone happy?

Having all of their needs met would probably be a prerequisite.

quote:

Do you think if the elements were all there, it could even be possible?

Too many people have needs that would require others to be made unhappy... competing interests, need for power over others (not in a good way), etc.

A whole buncha truth there.

Some people find joy in other's misery, and some couldn't keep their nose far enough out of other's business to allow either party to be happy.

Very good topic, k.

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