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LadyEllen -> Interview with Carmen Bin Laden (7/6/2007 4:29:59 AM)

Last night on BBC 1’s This Week programme, we had the privilege of seeing an interview with Carmen Bin Laden – sister in law of everyone’s favourite bad guy, about the family and the Saudi culture that is driving Islamic radicalism and thus terrorism.

I have to say, that what she said was most disturbing, and whilst she wasn’t an insider as such, but certainly on the periphery of the inner circles, one finds her testimony rather credible.

It wasn’t dealt with during the interview, what her ethnic and cultural origin is. She said though that she had spent ten years living with her husband’s family in Saudi Arabia, and spoke of their culture as compared to ours and from her look and accent I’d have guessed Spanish, which put her in an interesting position to give a view.

And her view gave pause for thought. She seemed to divorce the whole Palestine and Iraq issues from what she said, and indicated instead that the force driving the attacks on the west are not only Wahabi Islam as practiced in Saudi Arabia, but Saudi Arabia itself – and more disturbingly, that the attacks we are experiencing are not protest or revenge for injustices, but the means by which they intend to force their values upon us and that they are prepared to spend decades in doing so.

She claimed that the oil embargo of the 70’s is where all this started. They turned off the oil and saw how dependent we are and then made us pay through the nose for our weakness, thereby getting rich and so powerful too – convinced of their own right to do as they wish, and enabled to do so.

Now, the fact that the Saudis are far from being our friends and are involved in radicalising certain populations (Pakistan for instance) and spreading their ideas through funded schools around the world is no surprise. The surprise really is to have it confirmed by someone very close to the action, and to have it confirmed further that this is about nothing other than imposing ideology upon others for whom it is anathema, albeit that they will take advantage of the Palestine and Iraq situations to help radicalise Muslims worldwide and especially those living amongst us.

Now, they’re never going to win their fight of course. It does however put the whole Iraq situation in perspective and give pause to think about whether or not we should be nicer to the Iranians, rather than ally with our enemy (Saudi Arabia) against them (Iran has a lot of oil too), as a means of cutting the Saudis out. Alongside that though of course, it also indicates that the sooner we get out of oil altogether, the better, and that we must do everything we possibly can to help moderate Islam to resist the march of the Wahabis; the problem there though being, that isolated as they are with the radicals due to our fine policy of multiculturalism, the moderates are more afraid than we are.

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stella40 -> RE: Interview with Carmen Bin Laden (7/6/2007 8:42:34 AM)

I've known of this since 1997. At the time I did some IT work in a house in North West London owned by a very nice Pakistani gentleman who was the chancellor of an Islamic college in the West Midlands. This normal semi-detached 5 bedroomed house had pressure mats under the front doorstep, CCTV cameras, bugs, microphones, bodyguards, etc. Apart from the Pakistani gentleman and occasionally his wife I rarely saw any of the occupants. This Pakistani gentleman (who still owes me a lot of money) flew twice a month to the States and once a week to Al-Madina in Saudi Arabia (otherwise known as Mecca). The living room was empty and reserved for prayer and discussions about the Taliban and 'the evil West'. I have also years previously worked with Sunrise Radio, an Islamic radio station based in West London.

Was 9/11 a surprise for me? No it wasn't, I saw it coming. Was I surprised to find that those behind the 7/7 bombings in London came from West Yorkshire? No I wasn't. Have I tried to come out with more of this information? Yes I have, but nobody is interested.

My sympathies for some time have long been with Iranians, people who have for years been oppressed by their own governments ever since the fall of the Shah and the rule of Ayatollah Khomeini. I shared the hope of many Iranians that the rule of Rafsanjani would lead to the opening up of this country and a more liberal attitude of the government towards its people but it appears that the clerics have got their way again.

While control of oil may be part of the problem another problem is the spread of Islam in the world and the dilemma it has with modern society. Some feel that they want no part of the 'evil and immoral' Western society values (their perception) which explains the interest and discreet support for the Taliban and the more extremist and fundamentalist school of Islamic thought. However what I feel we must also understand is that the majority of Muslims perceive no conflict between being Muslim and modern society and not only wish to distance themselves from Al Qaeda and its associate organisations (of which there are many) but also unite with the rest of society against the terrorists and fundamentalists.

However the fundamentalists and Al Qaeda are aware of this which is why they are adopting the strategy of inflitrating the masses.




domiguy -> RE: Interview with Carmen Bin Laden (7/6/2007 8:57:47 AM)

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2005-12/24/xin_27120224092379940925.jpg

And she's pretty Goddam hot to boot!




Lordandmaster -> RE: Interview with Carmen Bin Laden (7/6/2007 9:31:05 AM)

I don't find her particularly credible.  She has had to go through several whitewashes to her image in order to have her little mini-career in the West.  I also doubt that she really knows very much about Al Qaeda and Osama's activities.  It's not as though she ever attended any secret meetings.

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

I have to say, that what she said was most disturbing, and whilst she wasn’t an insider as such, but certainly on the periphery of the inner circles, one finds her testimony rather credible.




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