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OrionTheWolf -> Is Mr Rogers a part of the problem with kids? (7/7/2007 5:59:31 AM)

An interesting read

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118358476840657463-search.html?KEYWORDS=rogers&COLLECTION=wsjie/6month


Orion



Alumbrado -> RE: Is Mr Rogers a part of the problem with kids? (7/7/2007 6:10:35 AM)

Those who have promoted 'self-esteem' in children, instead of self awareness, have much to answer for.



farglebargle -> RE: Is Mr Rogers a part of the problem with kids? (7/7/2007 7:49:49 AM)

So, a FINANCE PROFESSOR pulls out of his ass, "BLAME FRED ROGERS", and the WSJ runs to smear the FINANCE PROFESSOR'S feces... I'm sorry, OPINION all over itself?

We should care what some random FINANCE PROFESSOR thinks about SOCIOLOGY?

I think not.

Dugg down as lame.




Trampler -> RE: Is Mr Rogers a part of the problem with kids? (7/7/2007 8:10:10 AM)

Well I didn't read all of the article, and while I concede that there might be a point or 2 in there somewhere,  I feel that the blame should not rest with Mr.Rogers, but with the parents.  shocking idea huh? our parents are the 1st role models are our lives, good and bad.  Now mind you the idea of coming up with program geared towards telling kids that they need self improvement sounds good, but you have to be extremely careful about how you go about it.  However in NO WAY should any tv show replace the values that parents can instill in their child's life.  I am soooooo sick and fricking tired of whiny a**ed parents who can't be bothered to teach their children, but blame everyone else but themeselves in how their child turned out.  ok end rant. lol



Level -> RE: Is Mr Rogers a part of the problem with kids? (7/7/2007 8:48:20 AM)

Thanks for posting that, Orion. One paragraph that resonates is this:

quote:


Signs of narcissism among college students have been rising for 25 years, according to a recent study led by a San Diego State University psychologist. Obviously, Mr. Rogers alone can't be blamed for this. But as Prof. Chance sees it, "he's representative of a culture of excessive doting."






angelic -> RE: Is Mr Rogers a part of the problem with kids? (7/7/2007 8:52:34 AM)

Yep another fine example of misplaced blame.  Geezus... you know, my ums are they way they are because of their dad and i.  Cripes this just pisses me off.



juliaoceania -> RE: Is Mr Rogers a part of the problem with kids? (7/7/2007 9:01:27 AM)

I found this very telling in how this so-called "scientist" feels about children:

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"You're special." On the Yahoo Answers Web site, a discussion thread about Mr. Rogers begins with this posting: "Mr. Rogers spent years telling little creeps that he liked them just the way they were. He should have been telling them there was a lot of room for improvement. ... Nice as he was, and as good as his intentions may have been, he did a disservice."


So we are supposed to call children "little creeps", destroy their sense of self, tell them they have to earn any sort of specialness they have in the world, and basically be hard assed.

Every generation looks at the younger generation as being flawed, having a sense of entitlement, and being shiftless lazy mutha fuckas... I find this rather amusing that we are going to blame kindness and lovingness for the perceived character flaws of all the generations that come after our own. From my perception we can lay the blame for all of society's ills right at the door step of the baby boom generation who inherited everything, plundered it, and then blame their children for the fact that there is no pie for Gen X and below to fight over.

Mr Rogers was a kind, decent human being... I grew up with his message, and it never left me with a sense of entitlement. There was at least one little corner of the universe that was not dog eat dog. I truly believe this sense of competition to be the best, and anything less means one is a failure, is spiritually lacking. Our children get that message far more than they get the one that they are precious just the way they are... consumerism, materialism, being the thinnest, the sexiest, the whateverest.... that was as far away from what Mr Rogers was as could be.

BTW, I do think all people are special, and Professor Chance can bite me.[:D]



Level -> RE: Is Mr Rogers a part of the problem with kids? (7/7/2007 9:11:18 AM)

julia, I don't think it was Prof. Chance that called them "little creeps".
 
And some of them are. [:D]



selfbnd411 -> RE: Is Mr Rogers a part of the problem with kids? (7/7/2007 9:30:20 AM)

Didn't read the whole article because the author is so completely wrong.  I also teach at a university, and I very rarely get a student who demands a higher grade.  I suspect that the author, as a finance professor, sees more students who will become businessmen.  Business attracts a certain type of personality; the scientific term is "*ssholes."  I have noticed that people I know who are in business just want to win and they don't care how they do it.  So it's probably a question of demographics.

Consider this from a LA Times article:

The kids are (mostly) all right; Statistics and surveys don't support fears of a mental health crisis at our colleges.
Mike Males.
Los Angeles Times. May 27, 2007.  pg. M.6


"Monitoring the Future, a survey of 12,000 high school seniors annually conducted by the Institute for Social Research at the University of Michigan, contradicts Twenge's claim that students suffer more pathologies because of undeserved self-esteem. According to the surveys, today's high school seniors actually have lower self- images than those of 30 years ago. For instance, in 1976, 82% of the students said, "I take a positive attitude toward myself," and 86% agreed that "I am a person of worth." In 2005, the percentages were 73% and 77%, respectively.


However, considerably higher percentages of these students than their predecessors say they are "very happy," are having fun, enjoy the fast pace of modern life, view the future optimistically and feel it's important to make a contribution to society. Many fewer report feeling lonely, left out and "no good at all" compared to their counterparts of the 1970s.

Nor do Monitoring the Future surveys support Twenge's contention that today's youth are stressed by rising materialism. Compared to their counterparts of 20 to 30 years ago, current high school seniors are substantially less likely to value owning the latest fashions or to feel their status is enhanced by driving a nice car or coming from the right family. And while the percentages of them saying they wanted to have "lots of money" rose from 1976 (46%) to 1985 (61%), they have not significantly risen since then."



Lordandmaster -> RE: Is Mr Rogers a part of the problem with kids? (7/7/2007 9:35:34 AM)

Please.  I watched Mr. Rogers growing up too.  He's been around for generations.

The Wall Street Journal is really starting to flip out.  I think their secret plan is destroy whatever credibility they have left ... and then sell out to Rupert Murdoch!



CrimsonMoan -> RE: Is Mr Rogers a part of the problem with kids? (7/7/2007 11:01:40 AM)

This is a total load. I for one wasn't all that into Mr. Rogers, a lil creepy but theni had sesame street, reading rainbow, mr wizard, etc late 80's eaarly 90's kiddie shit to watch. However to say that Mr Rogers is whats wrong with the world is a load of horse shit and i feel that it takes a really REALLY big pair to attack the character of a good dead man who did nothing mroe but make kids feel good about themselves when no one else was around or did.



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