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slaveluci -> RE: legalizing prostitution? (7/8/2007 8:17:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: apettiger
i just read a thread about legalizing drugs and wonder how many, if any of Y/you think prostitution should be legal.........
tell me what YOU think.

I think it's ridiculous that there can even be a law making it illegal to have sex in any way or with anyone that you want to (unless it involves a minor or unwilling participant).  Let me get this straight.  A woman can fuck everyone in town for free and that's fine.  But if she charges 50 cents, she's a criminal and a prostitute?  [image]http://www.collarchat.com/micons/m22.gif[/image]  Give me a break.  If receiving money or goods in exchange for sex makes one a lawbreaker, then every wife who's ever given it up to her hubby because he bought her something for the house is a prostitute.  It's ludicrous that it's ever been illegal, in my opinion.  Whether I give it away or charge for it, it's mine so keep your legislation out of it.................luci




thompsonx -> RE: legalizing prostitution? (7/8/2007 8:53:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: HaveRopeWillBind

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

HaveRopeWillBind:
I have no idea how to respond to someone who is against legal prostitution but in favor of illegal prostitution.
thompson


Thompson,
I am not an advocate for either. I was simply saying that if it were to be legalized then it should be legal only in controlled areas.
Isn't that what zoning laws are for?

If not and it were legal just anywhere you would wind up with kids being solicited on school yards or playgrounds. College campuses in particular would be hot spots.
Why would anyone put a butt hut next to prepubescent non customers?
Now college campuses that is a different thing.  If you are old enough to vote you are old enough to fuck.

By doing this in legal zones that sort of thing is controlled without overly infringing on the overall business.
That is not what your original post said.
I'm not an advocate of legal prostitution, but I do think that if it is ever done that it should be implemented with a kind of legal zone. Boston has something unofficial like this in the area known as Red Square. The police pretty much ignore prostitutes so long as they stay in that one square block area
This says you want to keep it illegal.  This says that the cops give it a wink and a nod until they want to fuck with someone then they can get all righteous and claim it is illegal and yadda yadda yadda.
This is what is called selective enforcement.  If this is not two faced sniveling how would you characterize it?
You want to keep it illegal but you want to be able to sneak down and get a little on the sly.
This speaks directly to moral character...one of the requirements for a pilots license.
thompson





petdave -> RE: legalizing prostitution? (7/8/2007 8:57:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: HaveRopeWillBind

Thompson,
I am not an advocate for either. I was simply saying that if it were to be legalized then it should be legal only in controlled areas. If not and it were legal just anywhere you would wind up with kids being solicited on school yards or playgrounds.


Whaaaa? Kids don't have any fucking money, dude. Besides, if they want some action, they know they can just go to their nearest Catholic church and get some rumpity-thumpity.

Despite the loss in revenue, i think eventually the .gov will have no choice but to legalize whores and dope. Day-to-day life for most people is getting to the point where Prozac, booze, and reality TV just ain't cutting it anymore... they gotta up the ante before the empire falls.

...dave




onegoodgirl -> RE: legalizing prostitution? (7/8/2007 9:23:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CrimsonMoan

Ok since my home town and home state were roped in have to bring my two cents in. AS to why there are Brothels in Northern Nevada and not las vegas talk to the voters, the men witht he money and the legislators. Two about 3 miles are so from the strip headed down toward the  'Nawlins Casion is whats refered to as the track. The street gals walk up and down the track day and night cold or hot. Its a pain in the ass becuase it does get cold in vegas. As for Escort hanging out in the casinos....they do. You just don't know it unless you are looking for it. Case in point the a few of the popular night clubs are open tuesdays and wednesday, now your average person doesn't start partyign til thursday at the earliest.



Nobody said they don't do it - just that they aren't blatantly obvious about it; They're just another hot chick sitting at the bar. I've personally had an experience where a girl propositioned my date and me at the Palms, we took the bait thinking it was going to be another hot night (lol) and quickly shuffled her out the door when she started talking about prices (sorry honey.. but Daddy's money is for me!). In turn, I've also been propositioned by men while waiting at the casino bars... so the question is.. how would Vegas be if the "Track" extended up and down the strip?






GrizzlyBear -> RE: legalizing prostitution? (7/8/2007 9:55:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: petdave

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Legalize drugs and prostitution and we could stop filling up the jails while making society safer.


Hm, but what about asset forfeitures? In a number of municipalities, police conduct sting operations using an undercover cop acting as a streetwalker. If you drive up to the curb and attempt to conduct a transaction with her, you've just used your auto in the commission of a crime- which means it is confiscated, sold at auction, and the proceeds go to the city. Same for drug sales. Kaching!

And if you were a cop, would you rather spend a bunch of time trying to hunt up some violent criminal who's probably armed and too terribly excited about returning to prison, or rounding up blase whores who see it as a cost of doing business?

Won't somebody please think of the bureaucrats?


...dave



I think you are onto something Dave.  What about all the bribes the cops won't be able to collect from hookers, brothels, and pimps, for leaving them alone while they bust their competition?  And what about all the free samples they won't be able to get anymore?  Someone think about the cops here too.




MadameDahlia -> RE: legalizing prostitution? (7/9/2007 4:31:15 AM)

Legalize it... as well as marijuana. Tax both. Regulate both (heavily). Mandate clinic visits for prostitutes.

Less people in jail, getting free room and board funded by tax dollars. Less hookers dead in the streets or getting the crap beaten out of them by pimps and Johns. Less STD circulation. And, hopefully, less working girls meeting an early end because of undiagnosed cervical cancer.

Edited to add: Whether you're using one muscle or another... you're selling parts of yourself. And whether the customer is buying a taco from a pimple-covered teen at a Mexican restaurant... or coughing up some dough to sample Jane's taco it's all nothing more than one person providing a service for another.




meatcleaver -> RE: legalizing prostitution? (7/9/2007 5:01:51 AM)

We are all prostitutes at the alter of capitalism. We all metaphorically bend over and get shafted for a few lousy dollars. I can't see why women actually getting shafted for money should be a moral issue.




apettiger -> RE: legalizing prostitution? (7/9/2007 5:44:39 AM)

i believe that if something is illegal and one does it anyway, then they must pay the price for breaking that law, even if that includes property forfitures or jail time. but what i am talking about is ending the chance of a single mother, with no marketable skills losing everything she has because she is doing her best to bring her children up in as normal a way as she can. i know from first hand experience that a moral few are not into it for the drugs or excitement, but to send their children to private schools or at the very least, supply them with a safe warm home, decent clothes, shoes and well balanced meals. if it is illegal when you do it, then you must pay the price for breaking the law, but i see this as a useless, harmful law law that should be struck down.
and yes, the argument that "it will be done, illegal or not" opens the door for the statement "just because it will happen anyway is no reason to legalize something, murder happens anyway". but having prostitution illegal causes almost as much harm as making murder legal could.
a lot of the people who work the streets (by the way there are a fair number of males that do this for a living too, so it is not all female) would embrace the idea of working out of an office and staying off the streets and would have no problem with working in a "zone" most of these people do not want to break up families (as stated before, many of them have children they are trying to raise).
of course there are "crack whores" who do not care who, how, or where they ply their trade. it is not about bettering their or their childrens lives, but the drugs, but once it is regulated, the crack whores will diminish. mainly because they wont be able to find clients. who really would want to spend their money on somene who could very well kill them, either outright or later by some diesease?
and of course there will eventually be corruption, hell there is corruption in most businesses and this would be an easy target. but even with the inherent corruption, the workers would be better off.




meatcleaver -> RE: legalizing prostitution? (7/9/2007 6:33:59 AM)

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ORIGINAL: apettiger

i believe that if something is illegal and one does it anyway, then they must pay the price for breaking that law, even if that includes property forfitures or jail time. but what i am talking about is ending the chance of a single mother, with no marketable skills losing everything she has because she is doing her best to bring her children up in as normal a way as she can. i know from first hand experience that a moral few are not into it for the drugs or excitement, but to send their children to private schools or at the very least, supply them with a safe warm home, decent clothes, shoes and well balanced meals. if it is illegal when you do it, then you must pay the price for breaking the law, but i see this as a useless, harmful law law that should be struck down.
and yes, the argument that "it will be done, illegal or not" opens the door for the statement "just because it will happen anyway is no reason to legalize something, murder happens anyway". but having prostitution illegal causes almost as much harm as making murder legal could.
a lot of the people who work the streets (by the way there are a fair number of males that do this for a living too, so it is not all female) would embrace the idea of working out of an office and staying off the streets and would have no problem with working in a "zone" most of these people do not want to break up families (as stated before, many of them have children they are trying to raise).
of course there are "crack whores" who do not care who, how, or where they ply their trade. it is not about bettering their or their childrens lives, but the drugs, but once it is regulated, the crack whores will diminish. mainly because they wont be able to find clients. who really would want to spend their money on somene who could very well kill them, either outright or later by some diesease?
and of course there will eventually be corruption, hell there is corruption in most businesses and this would be an easy target. but even with the inherent corruption, the workers would be better off.



As Bush has showed, laws are there to be broken when inconvenient. One shouldn't get too hung up about laws but be more interested in natural justice which is an entirely different issue. Laws that are perceived by the wider public to be unjust and/or irrelevent are routinely broken by a broad spectrum of the public. Just because politicians are hung up on image, irrelevent morals, doesn't mean that citizens have to kow tow to the altar of 'the rule of law' which is usually made in the interests of those in power. Prostitution like drugs, are not going to go away just because politicians make laws that prohibit them. If the legislature makes itself irrelevent to the ordinary lives of people, that is a problem for the legislature.




pahunkboy -> RE: legalizing prostitution? (7/9/2007 7:12:34 AM)

how can u prostittute and NOT dope up??

what is marriage- or an expensive date?

hire out i say- it is easier and no strings!




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