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kiyari -> Female perspective in BSDM/subordinates (7/8/2007 2:25:03 PM)

Caveat: I come from 50s Vanilla

My perspective is this:

Female instinct is to seek accomodation, to be supportive,
and to take pleasure and personal satisfaction/fulfillment
in the success of those whom one has chosen to invest in.

My question to y'all is:

Is this, or perhaps, how is this
any component of a BDSM engagement/associaton/...

...as betimes,
tha boys are not barrelling full speed ahead in their own best interests?




earthycouple -> RE: Female perspective in BSDM/subordinates (7/8/2007 3:31:16 PM)

Huh?




nicoLe82 -> RE: Female perspective in BSDM/subordinates (7/8/2007 3:56:06 PM)

[:)][:D][8D][;)] the best i've ever seen none  better in the world




kiyari -> RE: Female perspective in BSDM/subordinates (7/8/2007 4:00:32 PM)

My perspective comes from the 'nurturing' instinct.
Handicap? Perhaps

If one has chosen to devote to another
is acting upon this instinct,
short-circuited when one's 'position' is [technically] subordinate?

...clear as mud?




GeekyGirl -> RE: Female perspective in BSDM/subordinates (7/8/2007 4:23:41 PM)

You're not being very clear, but I think you're trying to say that females are inherently nurturing.

I disagree...I have very little nurturing instincts towards humans (hence my lack of anything remotely resembling maternal instinct.)

I don't really like taking care of anyone else...I always saw BDSM  (in a  Male dom/fem sub relationship) as one with the dom being the nurturing/guiding force and the submissive following where he leads.

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kiyari -> RE: Female perspective in BSDM/subordinates (7/8/2007 4:28:36 PM)

Very well,
so then, do you not observe the one you have chosen to submit to,
never see them acting (or failing to act) in their own better interests?

If you do ever notice this, are you not moved to ...
well, have you no desires to interfere?

As un-subordinate as that might be interpreted?




velvetears -> RE: Female perspective in BSDM/subordinates (7/8/2007 4:30:50 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: kiyari

Caveat: I come from 50s Vanilla

My perspective is this:

Female instinct is to seek accomodation, to be supportive,
and to take pleasure and personal satisfaction/fulfillment
in the success of those whom one has chosen to invest in.

My question to y'all is:

Is this, or perhaps, how is this
any component of a BDSM engagement/associaton/...

...as betimes,
tha boys are not barrelling full speed ahead in their own best interests?


[sm=river.gif] Why is no one making sense today.




AquaticSub -> RE: Female perspective in BSDM/subordinates (7/8/2007 4:33:15 PM)

Not all women are nurturing and not all are content to only take pride the success of their loved ones. While I am very nurturing, almost to a fault, I am not content only with Valyraen's successes. I will graduate from college, I achieved a black belt in one style of martial arts and am currently working on another. I am working to be an accomplished painter (I don't dream low), I wish to write, possibly teach, and be a mother.

I am a submissive woman but I have my own dreams and my own successes. I will have future successes of my own. I love Valyraen and I am very proud of his successes. Just as he is very proud of mine and wishes to see me have more.




Trampler -> RE: Female perspective in BSDM/subordinates (7/8/2007 5:28:09 PM)

I am a top, I can be a sadistic bitch, but I can also be motherly and nurturing.  Are women all this way? Oh hell no!  That is only the ideal that our society has placed upon us. (that to not be nurturing is wrong.) My mother was not nurturing. (though she did try to be.) My father was in many ways both mother and father to me.

My 1st thought when I read your post Kiyari, was "What the f***, over?"  just thought I 'd share that with you. [:D][:D][:D]




MadRabbit -> RE: Female perspective in BSDM/subordinates (7/8/2007 5:34:37 PM)

Is there a full moon out?

Is this the special night on Collarme.com where they clutter up the forums with special cryptic messages, stupid fortune cookie tid bits of wisdom that dont make any sense, topics of discussion apparently one person understand, and proclamations to the awesomeness of an Internet troll?




kiyari -> RE: Female perspective in BSDM/subordinates (7/8/2007 6:15:28 PM)

Ah, no 'fortune cookie' cryptic blather permitted

...where is that TOS again...

Sheesh [sm=whiteflag.gif]




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Female perspective in BSDM/subordinates (7/8/2007 7:00:17 PM)

I think we can all do things that aren't in our best interests for survival depending on the circumstance- orientation, relationship type, gender, or sex is irrelevant.




Najakcharmer -> RE: Female perspective in BSDM/subordinates (7/8/2007 7:56:39 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: kiyari

Caveat: I come from 50s Vanilla


Yes, I can tell.  [:)]  Thank you for sharing this perspective with us, by the way. 


quote:

Female instinct is to seek accomodation, to be supportive,
and to take pleasure and personal satisfaction/fulfillment
in the success of those whom one has chosen to invest in.


Even if this was true for everyone with an X chromosone, which it is definitively not, your question is whether proper authority and guidance can be exercised within this paradigm when a submissive may be unruly and behaving in impetuous ways that are not in his own best interests.  The answer is simple.  Ever seen a mother discipline her child, say for playing with matches?  

This is not to say that all femdom D/s relationships are motherly in nature, but if you need to understand how a stereotypically feminine nurturing woman could exercise loving authority and guidance, that would probably be the easiest model for you to understand. 




LadyHugs -> RE: Female perspective in BSDM/subordinates (7/8/2007 8:15:34 PM)

Dear kiyari, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
It is my belief that you are asking if others in a submissive/subserviant role are seen as invisible by the other person in their life and or the Dominant figure in their life.  If this is correct, then I will express what my mind's eyes see.
 
It is often a case where communication lacks where validation of what you do and what you are, that you feel under appreciated and not appreciated for the talents you bring to the relationship.  Perhaps like a man's 'street rod' and made for high performance and its driven gently to and from church. 
 
That said, not all women are nurturing -- my mummy (mother) is a clear example of that yet, to others she is the epitome of the supportive, nurturing wife like "Father Knows Best."  I took more from my father's personality--he was a kind soul, very giving to a fault.

 
If you have problems in communicating to your spouse/partner, perhaps a note will work or send him a letter in the mail and list things that bother you; such as lack of attention sexually in the bed and how it makes you feel and or other things that he would at least mention, as to let you know he sees you and appreciates you; and for what you add in so many ways to the relationship.
 
There is little difference between Dominance/submission and marriage/relationships; no matter what role you are in or choose for yourself --that is to be acknowledge, to be respected and to feel some sense of appreciation and--feeling secure.
 
Just some thoughts.
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs
 
 




Grlwithboy -> RE: Female perspective in BSDM/subordinates (7/8/2007 10:28:43 PM)

One of my submissive partners' best little moments of service is reminding me to take my folic acid and bringing it to me. I don't think this is trying to excercise control, it's nagging me gently about stuff that's good for me and I ought to remember. And that's part of his job. I don't feel especially undermined by that.

He's an XY, even. And he's better at that stuff than I am.





LadyHugs -> RE: Female perspective in BSDM/subordinates (7/8/2007 10:39:25 PM)

Dear Grlwithboy, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
I agree with your post.  Serving at times requires doing things that need to be done for the 'us' factor --not because it is a Dominant and or submissive factor.
 
I find that I can really enjoy myself at parties and or other social situations if I do not have to watch the clock.  Slaves are my clock watchers and signal in our special gesture as to the time I have left.  I then know I have ten minutes to wrap things up and withdraw politely and leave.  When I am being pulled to stay longer, my slaves come into the effort to keep me longer than I wish and politely create a diversion as to allow me to escape.  Little things mean so very much to me.  Or, just having them there behind me, as to pass off my handbag as I am in a recieving line discrete and knowing my handbag is in good hands, or exchanging soiled gloves for fresh  at parties and or social gatherings.
 
I don't find my slaves, from what personalities and traits I pick from, being domineering at all but, taking care of me as to take care of us.
 
Just some thoughts.
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs
 




Grlwithboy -> RE: Female perspective in BSDM/subordinates (7/8/2007 10:42:26 PM)

I love the clock watching thing! That's excellent.

I think BDSM is one way that the non celebrities and politicos among us can enjoy having attaches and assistants.




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